Current Events A Decade of Zoro Propaganda Down the Toilet-How Zoro Himself Destroyed the Swordsmen Narrative
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No the problem is you guys get way too caught up on fanmade definitions of swordsman to make up headcanon.
Pica clearly wasn't just a swordsman either lol. Carrying a sword does not mean you are exclusively competing to become the WSS or can exclusively fight that way.
This is why Shanks vs Mihawk discussions are so heated, because 1 side can't understand the concept of a duel potentially being based on exclusively using swords, and not entirely based on the complete skillset of someone specifically.
There's nothing saying Shanks can't just drop Gryphon and fight a different way. Hell, there's nothing stating Mihawk can't either. In terms of SWORD TECHNIQUE, Mihawk is the best. In terms of anything else, it's not defined at all in this series whatsoever. Nothing actually states Mihawk is stronger than Shanks lol. As a sword user, sure, but that's ONE avenue of fighting, which hasn't even been fully defined for Shanks
And THATS why this interaction with King is so important, because the story is literally telling you the concept of "swordman" does not matter to people like King.
Pica clearly wasn't just a swordsman either lol. Carrying a sword does not mean you are exclusively competing to become the WSS or can exclusively fight that way.
This is why Shanks vs Mihawk discussions are so heated, because 1 side can't understand the concept of a duel potentially being based on exclusively using swords, and not entirely based on the complete skillset of someone specifically.
There's nothing saying Shanks can't just drop Gryphon and fight a different way. Hell, there's nothing stating Mihawk can't either. In terms of SWORD TECHNIQUE, Mihawk is the best. In terms of anything else, it's not defined at all in this series whatsoever. Nothing actually states Mihawk is stronger than Shanks lol. As a sword user, sure, but that's ONE avenue of fighting, which hasn't even been fully defined for Shanks
And THATS why this interaction with King is so important, because the story is literally telling you the concept of "swordman" does not matter to people like King.
Literally not reading my comments bro. Nothing even states Shanks is exclusively a swordsman fighter. Nothing states that for Roger. Or Rayleigh. Or any other sword user. Having a duel with someone doesn't restrict that character from fighting a different way.
Their duels weren't even defined as 2 people vying to become the best swordman over the other.
And yes, that's what I'm saying, Mihawk is a better swordfighter, but that doesn't mean Shanks doesn't equate or surpass Mihawk outside of sword techniques, or even vice versa.
Their duels weren't even defined as 2 people vying to become the best swordman over the other.
And yes, that's what I'm saying, Mihawk is a better swordfighter, but that doesn't mean Shanks doesn't equate or surpass Mihawk outside of sword techniques, or even vice versa.
you know damn well what I mean, Beta.Nope.
The point is duty is duty. And I don't care about making sense to you. You can derive all the sense you want.
Oda placed Zoro against King because he felt like Marco wasn't the right opponent to strike him down in the first place and this absolutely doesn't alone implicate that Zoro is not to ascribe to yonko level in that:
A) the point about Marco I just mentioned;
and also:
B) we don't know how well King fares against a yonko
C) the battle has just gotten started and Zoro has yet to rely on his winning cards
The point is duty is duty. And I don't care about making sense to you. You can derive all the sense you want.
Oda placed Zoro against King because he felt like Marco wasn't the right opponent to strike him down in the first place and this absolutely doesn't alone implicate that Zoro is not to ascribe to yonko level in that:
A) the point about Marco I just mentioned;
and also:
B) we don't know how well King fares against a yonko
C) the battle has just gotten started and Zoro has yet to rely on his winning cards
One last thing:
Nothing suggests that Zoro will necessarily not face off Kaido once he is done with King. Let's see what happens first. Whatever it happens he demonstrated a lot already on the rooftop so he doesn't necessarily need to prove himself further. I would be quite content with ZKK unfolding alone, but Luffy will probably be revealed as unable to vanquish Kaido all by himself and if Yamato doesn't fall and helps him out ultimately those "I got this" words will look even more redundant. Some users don't realize that he spelled those because he knew Zoro was out specifically, now he is not, so I would not count on this matter of honor that broadly anymore.
Nothing suggests that Zoro will necessarily not face off Kaido once he is done with King. Let's see what happens first. Whatever it happens he demonstrated a lot already on the rooftop so he doesn't necessarily need to prove himself further. I would be quite content with ZKK unfolding alone, but Luffy will probably be revealed as unable to vanquish Kaido all by himself and if Yamato doesn't fall and helps him out ultimately those "I got this" words will look even more redundant. Some users don't realize that he spelled those because he knew Zoro was out specifically, now he is not, so I would not count on this matter of honor that broadly anymore.
So it’s not really a surprise to anybody outside of sword swallowers, but King just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oda does not view the term “swordsman” as being as simplistic as “anybody who uses a Sword in combat:
I suppose the beautiful irony in this is that King actually didn’t say anything about not being a Swordsman, Zoro himself did as Zoro clearly states that wielding a sword does not make one a swordsman.
All these years of “Fujitora is a Swordsman because he carried a sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Whitebeard himself is beneath Mihawk because Oda considers his Bisento a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Ryuma over Roger because Roger has a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
You see, even Zoro fans themselves knew that Oda never viewed a Swordsman as just any person to carry a Sword, but for years they have tried to argue that there is no canonical basis for characters who wield swords not being Swordsman. No longer, as Zoro acknowledges that King himself is not a Swordsman despite wielding a sword as his primary weapon lol.
You can wield a sword and not be a swordsman. You can wield a sword and still be stronger than Mihawk. You can wield a Sword and that doesn’t mean you’ll be weaker than EOS Zoro.
Mihawk’s Title of “World’s Strongest Swordsman”, LITERALLY means that he has the strongest Swordsmanship in the world, not that he is stronger than every character who carries a Sword.
We have all known this for years, Zoro fans themselves have known this for years, but now they no longer have any canonical basis for the spreading of their propaganda.
The war is over. But Mihawk is still stronger than Shanks.
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I suppose the beautiful irony in this is that King actually didn’t say anything about not being a Swordsman, Zoro himself did as Zoro clearly states that wielding a sword does not make one a swordsman.
All these years of “Fujitora is a Swordsman because he carried a sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Whitebeard himself is beneath Mihawk because Oda considers his Bisento a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Ryuma over Roger because Roger has a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
You see, even Zoro fans themselves knew that Oda never viewed a Swordsman as just any person to carry a Sword, but for years they have tried to argue that there is no canonical basis for characters who wield swords not being Swordsman. No longer, as Zoro acknowledges that King himself is not a Swordsman despite wielding a sword as his primary weapon lol.
You can wield a sword and not be a swordsman. You can wield a sword and still be stronger than Mihawk. You can wield a Sword and that doesn’t mean you’ll be weaker than EOS Zoro.
Mihawk’s Title of “World’s Strongest Swordsman”, LITERALLY means that he has the strongest Swordsmanship in the world, not that he is stronger than every character who carries a Sword.
We have all known this for years, Zoro fans themselves have known this for years, but now they no longer have any canonical basis for the spreading of their propaganda.
The war is over. But Mihawk is still stronger than Shanks.
@Light D Lamperouge @HA001 @ShishioIsBack @Cinera @TheAncientCenturion @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @Echizen_Jo_Ndule @Erkan12 @Seth @TheKnightOfTheSea @MarineHQ62 @silverfire @GreenEggsAHam @Van @Jiihad @Bogard @comrade @Sentinel @playa4321 @chrono @Zoro D Goat @Mr. Anderson @Pantheos @Gol D. Roger @Dark Admiral @Fruitji @VersusPhD @Admiral Borsalino"Kizaru" @Admiral Mou Bu @Xione @Desolate Smaug @Beerbottle @Den_Den_Mushi @dizzy2341 etc etc etc
Wielding a sword doesn't make you a swordsman.
Big mom is not a swordsman, kizaru is not a swordsman, whitebeard is not a swordsman....
Analytical skill is useful here....
Basically King is breaking swordsmen fighting etiquette, so Zoro's saying "aight then anything goes"
If he was fighting Vista or Mihawk in a duel between swordsmen where they are trying to establish who's the strongest, Zoro would probably not make claims that he'd be willing to bite them by their throat to win at any cost
If he was fighting Vista or Mihawk in a duel between swordsmen where they are trying to establish who's the strongest, Zoro would probably not make claims that he'd be willing to bite them by their throat to win at any cost
Its a God damn DEATH MATCH, not a sporting competition
