Current Events When is Luffy going to be impressive?

[draganax]

so it is a "plot armor" and "zenkai boosts" for others as despite they don't have "immunity" to lightening, then can have no damage and even though they don't have so called all the Luffy had...it is not that Luffy getting powerups are fraud....on contrary that makes things Luffy struggle more realistic while others becoming strong without anything because "plot" made them strong accordingly.....his struggles are fake because that is what you want to believe and be biased, as simple as that.....Oda made him struggle even after powerups which makes more realistic than not having troubles and one shot after powerups and stuff

Luffy gets rewarded for his struggles when others don't, that's why his struggles are fake and cheap because he never suffers the consequences of them.
Lightening is weak in one piece but that's not the case for fire as boru breath made even kaido scream in pain. Luffy shouldn't push through it with only "guts" that's bs.
The others being strong out of nowhere is oda's fault, he had plenty of time to display their power growth but he chose to waste it on side characters and fanservice, zoro said that he mastered foxfire style off screen and even i as a zoro fan find it underwhelming.
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Luffy: My CoO is weaker than Sanji.
You: Luffy stole CoA and CoO from Sanji and Zoro.
You: Luffy is weaker than Zoro.
Also you: God Luffy plot line
Also you: Luffy below Yamato, SN, F6.
'God' Luffy should be given godly treatment and yet he is below Zoro or any other SN, Yammato according to you. Irony died infinite times.

In that post you quoted i was talking about plot focus, but you mistook it for powerscalling argument smh.

Zoro is a CoA specialist, make him learn about CoA, he should be the one to focus on not luffy, same with sanji and CoO.

Now to the powerscalling:
Even with all the advanced applications of CoA and CoO luffy was still inferior to zoro in combat, and his basic CoO was still inferior to sanji's.

 

[Hades]

Luffy gets rewarded for his struggles when others don't, that's why his struggles are fake and cheap because he never suffers the consequences of them.

Okay...."he never suffers consequences..."....lol, what kind of consequences he need to suffer? lose an arm? or penis? or something else...? please elaborate more about these so called consequences....like you are saying he shouldn't win when he gets struggled....

Lightening is weak in one piece but that's not the case for fire as boru breath made even kaido scream in pain. Luffy shouldn't push through it with only "guts" that's bs.

Lol, great excuse.....lightening is weak because otherwise your argument falters right...lol...BigMom lightening is far stronger than Enel lightening and yet see the "consequences" after Enel lightening and see "consequences" after BigMom lightening...so here consequences doesn't matter for you.....guts/will power/haki are correlated....maybe Luffy used "barrier" to protect himself from boro breath.....that is why he lost haki after few minutes gattling when G4 can work for 30 minutes....I mean Zoro survived after Hakai and was able to cut promethus and scar Kaido when Hakai supposedly "eliminate" every supernova including zoro (in zoros words)....don't talk about broken bones now because we both know so called "consequences" won't be even matter until the war ends....

Bottomline is whether Luffy or Zoro, you don't see consequences until their respective fight ends.....no matter whether they are severely injured or not...this has been the case since the beginning and yet ....smh...

 

[Vanlax]

Because Luffy took dog shit offense
Thunder Bagua clapped Luffy it couldn't even K.O 30 broken bones Zoro
If Luffy took Hakai no senzu beans would help him, he would be in after life
And attack Luffy took would barely tickle Zoro

If Luffy took that Hakai, Oda gonna make him recover without Senzu Bean. Gomu Gomu Mythical MC Zoan Model:Joy Boy ftw.

 

[draganax]

Okay...."he never suffers consequences..."....lol, what kind of consequences he need to suffer? lose an arm? or penis? or something else...? please elaborate more about these so called consequences....like you are

Luffy had to be saved on multiple occasions, if zoro wasn't there we would see how grave the consequences he would suffer, also why he was the only one who got power up, luffy was never in danger as zoro was babysitting him and he got rewarded with advanced conquerors that he didn't deserve.

Lol, great excuse.....lightening is weak because otherwise your argument falters right...lol...BigMom lightening is far stronger than Enel lightening and yet see the "consequences" after Enel lightening and see "consequences" after BigMom lightening...so here consequences doesn't matter for you.....guts/will power/haki are correlated....maybe Luffy used "barrier" to protect himself from boro breath.....that is why he lost haki after few minutes gattling when G4 can work for 30 minutes....I mean Zoro survived after Hakai and was able to cut promethus and scar Kaido when Hakai supposedly "eliminate" every supernova including zoro (in zoros words)....don't talk about broken bones now because we both know so called "consequences" won't be even matter until the war ends....

Lightning is weak, it does low damage, and big mom's lightning is not even close to enel's.
Boru breath made kaido scream in pain, it's highly damaging, and it's not something you can resist with ACoA.
Luffy can only stay in gear 4 for few dozen seconds, it was addresed by doflamingo, and he lost it under a minute against katakuri. In the rooftop we can say he can maintain it for 2 minutes max.
Zoro suffered severe consequences for blocking hakai, which also got managed in the cheapest way possible through the mink medicine that only delayed said consequences. Zoro wasn't protected by anyone, untill hakai he was the one doing the protection.

 

[M944]

Luffy can only stay in gear 4 for few dozen seconds, it was addresed by doflamingo, and he lost it under a minute against katakuri. In the rooftop we can say he can maintain it for 2 minutes max.

Luffy can keep G4 for at least 30min. Doflamingo never said Luffy can keep G4 for a few dozens of seconds.
Oda was inconsistent with G4 on the rooftop

 

[Adam-san]

Zoro fans retarded bruh. Yall rly think zoro is stronger?? Lmao read the vivre cards. Kaido is happy he can fight with luffy not zoro lmao and zoro isn't even confirmed to be in the CoC users list. All words from oda hahahaha luffy>>>>>>>zoro
Yamato>>>>>zoro
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Mihawk beats Kaido

No

 

[Hades]

Luffy can only stay in gear 4 for few dozen seconds, it was addresed by doflamingo, and he lost it under a minute against katakuri. In the rooftop we can say he can maintain it for 2 minutes max.

Are you for real?......lol.....Doflamingo never said that G4 only lasts for few seconds.....where did you even get the idea.....20 minutes of fight was off paneled in dressrosa, Snakeman lasted for 30+ minutes.....don't make up your own story....

also why he was the only one who got power up,

because he trained for it....simple....

luffy was never in danger as zoro was babysitting him

only when he lost haki.....rest of them no one babysit him.....

Luffy had to be saved on multiple occasions

only once when he lost haki.....or you could say when he was KOed by Ragnarok...but anyways it is Luffy saved both Law and Zoro post BOTH TOOK TB from Kaido as Luffy fighting Kaido allowed Law to go down.....

Lightning is weak, it does low damage, and big mom's lightning is not even close to enel's.

yeah but VC says otherwise...now emperor lightening is worse because....? ......does low damage....lol....again head canon....of course you will say anything that bends according to your agenda....

Boru breath made kaido scream in pain, it's highly damaging, and it's not something you can resist with ACoA.

Not really....none suffered from Boro breath...see Oden in flashback.....it is also weak as simply both Kinemon and Zoro can cut....it is not some superior fire by your logic....simply may as well be inferior to King's fire or Marco fire.....

Zoro wasn't protected by anyone

Law saved him twice but you do you......

 

[draganax]

Luffy can keep G4 for at least 30min. Doflamingo never said Luffy can keep G4 for a few dozens of seconds.
Oda was inconsistent with G4 on the rooftop

-Doflamingo said it right before luffy hit him with double calvarine chapter 785.
-In the cracker fight luffy lost it after one attack (the last attack) and he couldn't move for a while.
-In the katakuri fight luffy deflated under a minute. Katakuri does his merienda at 3:00 pm, he was 40 minutes late, by the time luffy transformed to gear4 it was 4:00 pm, a minute later he deflated, (luffy performed 3 kong guns, 1 rhino shnider, 1 kong organ, while katakuri used 2 power mochi attacks).
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Are you for real?......lol.....Doflamingo never said that G4 only lasts for few seconds.....where did you even get the idea.....20 minutes of fight was off paneled in dressrosa, Snakeman lasted for 30+ minutes.....don't make up your own story....

Here you go, learn to pay attention then come back to argue.

-Doflamingo said it right before luffy hit him with double calvarine chapter 785.
-In the cracker fight luffy lost it after one attack (the last attack) and he couldn't move for a while.
-In the katakuri fight luffy deflated under a minute. Katakuri does his merienda at 3:00 pm, he was 40 minutes late, katakuri took his merienda at 3:40 pm, by the time luffy transformed to gear4 it was 4:00 pm, a minute later he deflated, (luffy performed 3 kong guns, 1 rhino shnider, 1 kong organ, while katakuri used 2 power mochi attacks).

 

[Shisui]

Luffy is just stealing valuable character building from zoro and sanji.
Oda ignoring established story elements for the sake of "god luffy" plotline.

-In WCI: he learned future sight instead of sanji who is a CoO specialist.
-In wano: he learned advanced armament instead of zoro who is a CoA specialist.

And what did zoro and sanji get: a lame suit and a magic sword.

Even with all of that luffy was still bellow zoro untill he discovered advanced CoC.

You are honestly just hating for the sake of it. How exactly is adv Armament gna benefit Zoro when he uses swords to easily bypass the scales of Kaido which was the whole point of Luffy's training

 

[M944]

-Doflamingo said it right before luffy hit him with double calvarine chapter 785.
-In the cracker fight luffy lost it after one attack (the last attack) and he couldn't move for a while.
-In the katakuri fight luffy deflated under a minute. Katakuri does his merienda at 3:00 pm, he was 40 minutes late, by the time luffy transformed to gear4 it was 4:00 pm, a minute later he deflated, (luffy performed 3 kong guns, 1 rhino shnider, 1 kong organ, while katakuri used 2 power mochi attacks).
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Here you go, learn to pay attention then come back to argue.

Doflamingo asked a question he never said G4 will be a few seconds.

His evaluation was wrong in the same chapter you have this

Spoiler

Luffy and Doflamingo were fighting before and after that panel (look in the top corner)

Bonus Luffy vs Katakuri :
Luffy use SM after this panel

Spoiler

Look right top corner

And the fight end in this panel

Spoiler

So here at least 30min


G4 lasting a few dozens second is your headcannon dude

 

[draganax]

You are honestly just hating for the sake of it. How exactly is adv Armament gna benefit Zoro when he uses swords to easily bypass the scales of Kaido which was the whole point of Luffy's training

How can wanting zoro and sanji to get some combat related focuse be considered hating on luffy?

Sanji in his own arc didn't get any haki or combat upgrade.
Zoro in the arc of swordsmen didn't get any swordsmanship upgrade.

Advanced CoC shoundn't be a mid battle power up especially of how mediocre it became at the recent chapters.

It would've been much better if the rest of the crew at least physicaly trained in preparation for the raid, not be given magic items.

WCI and Wano are trash.
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His evaluation was wrong in the same chapter you have this

Spoiler

20 minute after doflamingo deployed the bird cage which happened way before luffy transformed to gear 4.
You completely ignore the context.

 

[Hades]

-Doflamingo said it right before luffy hit him with double calvarine chapter 785.
-In the cracker fight luffy lost it after one attack (the last attack) and he couldn't move for a while.
-In the katakuri fight luffy deflated under a minute. Katakuri does his merienda at 3:00 pm, he was 40 minutes late, by the time luffy transformed to gear4 it was 4:00 pm, a minute later he deflated, (luffy performed 3 kong guns, 1 rhino shnider, 1 kong organ, while katakuri used 2 power mochi attacks).

That is not how timeline works....

Luffy used Kong gun twice, and Kong organ and rest of the fight is off paneled with Luffy eating biscuit and stuff..against cracker....
Luffy used Kong gun, Rhino schneider, and culverin...then doflamingo started using awakening....and fight was off paneled for sometime....all doffy said that it won't last longer (he didn't mention in seconds or minutes)....then leo bazooka....this is after 20 minutes later....unable to post pics but refer to 20+ minutes later Luffy used leo bazooka to knock doflamingo into mountains and still has some time to spare...(chapter 785, pg. 9-16).
Snakeman starter at 12.05 AM and continued upto 12.37 AM (refer to chapter 894-896).
Merienda was at 3.40 and Luffy transformed to gear 4 around that time....lol...don't twist it...his Gear 4 about to end just after 4 pm.....lol, this shows how much biased you were.....
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20 minute after doflamingo deployed the bird cage which happened way before luffy transformed to gear 4.
You completely ignore the context.

look who is talking...who is ignoring manga....don't be so twisted...lol...accept your bias and move aside....there was no mention of 20 minutes after deploying the bird cage.....how much twisted agenda you had......oh, I should have known the moment you said Luffy started using G4 at the start of 4 pm.....never come to me again with your twisted agenda.......
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You are honestly just hating for the sake of it. How exactly is adv Armament gna benefit Zoro when he uses swords to easily bypass the scales of Kaido which was the whole point of Luffy's training

the dude is simply biased.....typical somone with agenda piece.....

 

[draganax]

Bonus Luffy vs Katakuri :
Luffy use SM after this panel

Spoiler

Look right top corner

And the fight end in this panel

Spoiler

So here at least 30min

That's true.
They also were stuck in that position for 9 minutes, the final clash happened at 12:28, and the page yo posted says 12:37.

Also maybe "snake man" doesn't consume haki as much as "bound man" and "tank man".

 

[uyuu]

Why every other thread is an indirect Zoro wank?

Zoro didnt do shit (you made me say it, otherwise Zoro did great as compared to other SNs).

If he had done significant damage then we would have seen Kaido slowing down, or mentioning how the wound hurts, or how it restricts his movements.
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Keep on saying this, if it makes you feel better.

Here is your assignment:

Write Zoro is > Luffy
Zoro did more damage than any other character
Zoro was able to cut Kaido
Zoro left a perma scar

Do a 100 rep per hour. You will notice a 100x increase in your Endorphin levels.

It's like a sport physiology. 4 sets for every muscle group until failure, 12 reps each set, do this EVVVRIDAAAAII

 

[Shisui]

How can wanting zoro and sanji to get some combat related focuse be considered hating on luffy?

Sanji in his own arc didn't get any haki or combat upgrade.
Zoro in the arc of swordsmen didn't get any swordsmanship upgrade.

Advanced CoC shoundn't be a mid battle power up especially of how mediocre it became at the recent chapters.

It would've been much better if the rest of the crew at least physicaly trained in preparation for the raid, not be given magic items.

WCI and Wano are trash.

For all we know, Zoro has reached the pinnacle of CoA and Luffy needed training to catch up. His swordsmanship upgrade will most likely involve mixing his CoC+CoA to achieve a black blade.
Sanji didn't get any CoO upgrade cos he fought no one. His role was to quell Big Mom's hunger which he did.
Luffy needed AdCoO cos his life depended on it. He wasn't gna get past Kat without FS.

 

[M944]

20 minute after doflamingo deployed the bird cage which happened way before luffy transformed to gear 4.
You completely ignore the context.

He already had deployed the BirdCage look closely it is moving and people tries to escape.

This panel is in the 785 luffy already used G4. It's in the same chapter you talked about.
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That's true.
They also were stuck in that position for 9 minutes, the final clash happened at 12:28, and the page yo posted says 12:37.

Also maybe "snake man" doesn't consume haki as much as "bound man" and "tank man".

They weren't stuck in that position Oda just goes on another plot which were in a different time.
To be clear he finished the fight between Kata and Luffy get back to the Sanji and Pudding plot and after came another time to finish Luffy vs Kata

Even if you consider they were stuck. Luffy was still able to keep SM during those 9 min
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For all we know, Zoro has reached the pinnacle of CoA and Luffy needed training to catch up

Zoro don't have internal destruction CoA (the level 3)

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro don't have internal destruction CoA (the level 3)

I think so too, he can most likely even get stronger CoA wise. In fact his reaction towards Red Roc makes one presume that he still didn't learn that variation of CoA and perhaps he indeed just landed a "normal blow" when he fought Daz Bones that didn't involve penetration, if else that would prove an inconsistency differently so that's the only serious route we can stick to for now.

 

[draganax]

look who is talking...who is ignoring manga....don't be so twisted...lol...accept your bias and move aside....there was no mention of 20 minutes after deploying the bird cage.....how much twisted agenda you had......oh, I should have known the moment you said Luffy started using G4 at the start of 4 pm.....never come to me again with your twisted agenda.......

It was 20 minutes after doflamingo activated the bird cage, you being quite ignorant.

We have both law and doflamingo talking about the high haki consumption of gear 4 and doflamingo asking luffy how many seconds he can hold that form.

And later in the chapter luffy realized he's time is running out and he destroyed doflamingo in an instant bypassing his off-white, why the hell would luffy wast 20 minutes flying around aimlessly?

 

[WesMidnight]

For all we know, Zoro has reached the pinnacle of CoA and Luffy needed training to catch up. His swordsmanship upgrade will most likely involve mixing his CoC+CoA to achieve a black blade.
Sanji didn't get any CoO upgrade cos he fought no one. His role was to quell Big Mom's hunger which he did.
Luffy needed AdCoO cos his life depended on it. He wasn't gna get past Kat without FS.

Zoro implicitly doesn't have internal destruction, as he was vague in his understanding of haki that was taught by Hyogoro to Luffy.
I doubt he had fully fledged ryuo before Enma training and I think that was the whole point of Enma training ultimately, as Killer who he fought with before, was surprised Zoro could cut Kaido.

 

[Luffydom56]

By potrayal only, Luffy >>> everyone else in the rooftop. But as a Luffy fan, I want more feats from him than mere potrayal.
Luffy is a brawler, so even if he gives his hardest,hurts Kaido and Kaido does not fall (Even though Kaido barely reacted to Zoro's scar and continue to body everyone after that)
his feats won't be recognized. Oda himself said that Kaido can't be defeated by a mere punch. At this point Luffy's power ups however consistent are looking like joke if he is not able to hurt Kaido.
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But lets not forget Luffy's the only one who made Kaido actively dodge.
And Luffy's the only one who Ko'd Kaido even if it was for mere seconds.