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the wings thing was sanji's one moment in the arc and even then he had to share it with someone more important than him
He get's the Soba stand plot line and him meeting Toko the way Zoro met her adoptive father so that they are the two SH's who have stakes in protecting her from Orochi after Yasuie's execution

He builds up fame as an outlaw by fighting Denjiro's men and then the Flying Six, so that he and Zoro are immediately recognized as the leaders of the group that Rebels against Orochi when they save Toko



and then he and Zoro get to fight X Drake and Denjiro.

He saves Nami, Robin and Shinobu from Hawkins and X Drake.

He saves Momonosuke who was the main target of the Beast Pirates in Onigashima, which makes the current events of older Momo flying with Luffy and fighting with him possible.

He protects Zoro and get's him to Chopper which makes it possible for Zoro to come back in action.

He saves Chopper and the Samurai on the Live Stage and inspires to keep on fighting, which makes possible Zoro's recovery, as well as the tides not turning against them when everyone was losing morale when they thought Momo and Luffy died.

He saves Tama from Queen's laser which allows her to give the order to the Gifters and turn the tides of the battles where they were assisting the Beast Pirates.

And obviously, the Wings, the Stars, recognition both from crewmates like Robin and characters like Marco, and him and Zoro defeating Kaido's top two men and getting Luffy in reach of becoming the King of the Pirates.
 

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Wings has nothing to do with strength tho. If it did….it confirms Zoro = Sanji as 2 wings would be equal. Wings is to do with rank in the group and importance within it. Not strength…
Using the same logic all the M3 are of equal strength because M3 is about strength.

It is about strength. It literally means that Zoro and Sanji will be the two strongest men who will stand behind Luffy as he becomes the PK. It doesn't mean that the wings have to be equal or anything.
 
Her past with Arlong is not an important Plotline in an arc which deals with slavery and racism? Cool.


Bruh, you can neglect every fighting scene lol. Nami took the decision to save the minks, formed a bond with Wanda.

The Vinsmoke lineage and wedding is prep for the next arc. Infact for the rest of the Zou arc, with the entire debate going around whether to go after Sanji or not was between two viewpoints, one from Zoro and another from Nami. The same thing which happened when Usopp left the crew, we again had a debate between two viewpoints, one from Zoro and another from Nami.


Lola and Big Mom? Her leading the crew when Luffy's fighting Katakuri? Zeus?
In every arc all the strawhats are overshadowed by Luffy. That really isn't the point of discussion.


Well your point for Sanji's plot relevance in Wano was the Black Maria plotline. So did Robin cuck Sanji in his own plot?
I'm just using your logic that you used to take away from Nami's moment in Wano.
And the Big Mom - Zeus plotline was played again.

Don't even bring up fight sequences bro. That's not even a contest.
It's the plot moments where Nami overtakes Sanji in relevance.
You cant call a single scene a plotline. Cause thats what the Nami thing was….just a single scene brought from Arlong Park.


No it was Sanji, reread.

Deny all you want, Sanji led that flashback in every regard lol.

Sanji left that plotline, to share his other Live Performance plotline with Zori. Its not like he was still in it and then got cucked in importance by Chopper.

Nope she doesnt.


They literally fought two pacifistas right before that to show how strong they got over the timeskip.
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What has that got to do with anything ? Luffy and Zori got beaten up by Bellamy pirates before the BB. Is that not combat. So desperate to downplay Sanji being there. Oda couldve easily written Sanji out and put Nami there….but he didnt.
 

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He get's the Soba stand and him meeting Toko the way Zoro met her adoptive father so that they are the two SH's who have stakes in protecting her from Orochi after Yasuie's execution

He builds up fame as an outlaw by fighting Denjiro's men and then the Flying Six, so that he and Zoro are immediately recognized as the leaders of the group that Rebels against Orochi when they save Toko



and then he and Zoro get to fight X Drake and Denjiro.

He saves Nami, Robin and Shinobu from Hawkins and X Drake.

He saves Momonosuke who was the main target of the Beast Pirates in Onigashima, which makes the current events of older Momo flying with Luffy and fighting with him possible.

He protects Zoro and get's him to Chopper which makes it possible for Zoro to come back in action.

He saves Chopper and the Samurai on the Live Stage and inspires to keep on fighting, which makes possible Zoro's recovery, as well as the tides not turning against them when everyone was losing morale when they thought Momo and Luffy died.

And obviously, the Wings, the Stars, recognition both from crewmates like Robin and characters like Marco, and him and Zoro defeating Kaido's top two men and getting Luffy in reach of becoming the King of the Pirates.
the soba stand was just an excuse for him to use the RS robin also got an adventure of her own in orochi's castle and it was just as meaningful
 
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the soba stand was just an excuse for him to use the RS robin also got an adventure of her own in orochi's castle and it was just as meaningful
It was there both to build towards his eventual fight with Queen, since Queen sent the F6 after him, as well as to build him up as an outlaw by opposing Denjiro's men, as well as to have him meet Toko and build a bond with her, the way Zoro did with Yasuie, so that both he and Zoro have more of a reason than anyone else to jump in and save her from Orochi after Yasuie's death.
 

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What cope ? Either you say Wings = Strength….meaning Zoro = Sanji. Or Wings = Importance…..meaning Sanji is more important than Nami.
who said anything about zoro=sanji? Stop making shit up
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It was there both to build towards his eventual fight with Queen, since Queen sent the F6 after him, as well as to build him up as an outlaw by opposing Denjiro's men, as well as to have him meet Toko and build a bond with her, the way Zoro did with Yasuie, so that both he and Zoro have more of a reason than anyone else to jump in and save her from Orochi after Yasuie's death.
what bond? They didn't even talk afterwards
 

ConquistadoR

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What has that got to do with anything ? Luffy and Zori got beaten up by Bellamy pirates before the BB. Is that not combat. So desperate to downplay Sanji being there. Oda couldve easily written Sanji out and put Nami there….but he didnt.
If you think the moment with the Bellamy Pirates and BB is about fighting and not a pure character moment about "believing in and chasing one's dreams" then I don't think we have anything more discuss about this.

You cant call a single scene a plotline. Cause thats what the Nami thing was….just a single scene brought from Arlong Park.
Yeah something which is the main focus and theme of the arc, and something which led to Jinbe's flashback, Fisher Tiger, Celestial Dragons and Otohime's stories. But that isn't a character moment nor a plot moment. Cools.

No it was Sanji, reread.

Deny all you want, Sanji led that flashback in every regard lol.
Nami asked and Sanji helped them save the minks. When did I ever disagree that Sanji didn't lead that flashback? It was literally the curly haired pirates. All I said is Zou arc had a lot of Nami moments than Sanji or Zoro or any other strawhat.

Sanji left that plotline, to share his other Live Performance plotline with Zori. Its not like he was still in it and then got cucked in importance by Chopper.
Sssssuuuuurrreeeee. But Nami somehow got cucked in that plotline for some reason
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Nope she doesnt.
Yes she does. Oda said it in an interview. There's a ton of evidence in the story if you look at character moments outside of fights. But ok, you can run your agenda in denial for all I care. This discussion isn't going in any meaningful direction anyway.
 
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