General & Others Luffys dream > Zoros dream? dream on!

Zoro does not put Luffys dream above his own

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Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Being at PK / Yonko level > Surpassing mihawk > mihawk.
Though I don't agree with the notion that being PK has nothing to do with individual strength but the reason being Pk is difficult than surpassing mihawk is because of the path one has to take - Road Pg which are with emperors, reaching to raftel.

However, yonkou level isn't greater than surpassing Mihawk. Never it was stated in manga. So it's basically headcannon.
 

Light D Lamperouge

𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝕮𝖔𝖚𝖑𝖉 𝕳𝖆𝖛𝖊 𝕭𝖊𝖊𝖓
Guess people should start reading the manga again

Don't do this, Bogard.

Look at what Buggy says. If he somehow, somehow being the key word, managed to kill WB, he'd become an Emperor, and then later on Pirate King. Let's says WB is fighting and gets a heart attack, like he did in MF, Buggy swoops in, cuts his head off and he effectively now killed WB. In Buggy's own words, again pay attention to somehow being used indicating any way of killing WB would suffice, that would make him an Emperor, and later on the Pirate King. But how would that make him stronger than he is? Would that suddenly make him an extreme diff fight for other top tiers? Absolutely no. He'd still remain the fodder he is. Your own example is working against you here. Buggy would not become any stronger than he is and would still in his own words become the Pirate King.
 
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Gran D. Master

Don't do this, Bogard.

Look at what Buggy says. If he somehow, somehow being the key word, managed to kill WB, he'd become an Emperor, and then later on Pirate King. Let's says WB is fighting and gets a heart attack, like he did in MF, Buggy swoops in, cuts his head off and he effectively now killed WB. In Buggy's own words, again pay attention to somehow being used indicating any way of killing WB would suffice, that would make him an Emperor, and later on the Pirate King. But how would that make him stronger than he is? Would that suddenly make him an extreme diff fight for other top tiers? Absolutely no. He'd still remain the fodder he is. Your own example is working against you here. Buggy would not become any stronger than he is and would still in his own words become the Pirate King.
Powerlevels aside, simply getting your hands on the one piece (and therefore becoming pk) is harder than becoming WSS. Whether it's achieved by a complete fodder pirate or a top tier monster is irrelevant
 
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Also no nobody ass pirate is gonna be able to just pirate king
Pink beard would never be able to accomplish 5% of what roger or luffy will. So the downplay of the title is pointless and acting like anyone could just casually do it is stoopid

Theres a reason why noone has been able to do it with like half the op world tryna find it. Even the damn yonkos cant do it
 

Bogard

You can't win
Don't do this, Bogard.

Look at what Buggy says. If he somehow, somehow being the key word, managed to kill WB, he'd become an Emperor, and then later on Pirate King. Let's says WB is fighting and gets a heart attack, like he did in MF, Buggy swoops in, cuts his head off and he effectively now killed WB. In Buggy's own words, again pay attention to somehow being used indicating any way of killing WB would suffice, that would make him an Emperor, and later on the Pirate King. But how would that make him stronger than he is? Would that suddenly make him an extreme diff fight for other top tiers? Absolutely no. He'd still remain the fodder he is. Your own example is working against you here. Buggy would not become any stronger than he is and would still in his own words become the Pirate King.
I wasn't completely serious with the post, hence the emoticon. I know the context of Buggy's statement. It doesn't change my overall point though. Pirate King is definitely a level above top tiers(and thus Zoro's dream).

The pirate king is the king of seas. Roger was known as such and Whitebeard(his equal) could have been pirate king whenever he wanted







The yonko on the other hand are silver medalists who aren't able to completely conquer the seas. That's why in the current age, there is a no pirate king, but yonkos who share titles with one another until waiting for a pirate king to overcome them and rule alone
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
Powerlevels aside, simply getting your hands on the one piece (and therefore becoming pk) is harder than becoming WSS. Whether it's achieved by a complete fodder pirate or a top tier monster is irrelevant
We still don't know how difficult finding the One Piece truly is. We will discover once Luffy will be very close at performing the job.
 

Light D Lamperouge

𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝕮𝖔𝖚𝖑𝖉 𝕳𝖆𝖛𝖊 𝕭𝖊𝖊𝖓
I know the context of Buggy's statement.
Would you answer my question then? Does Buggy somehow killing WB make him the strongest in the verse?
Pirate King is definitely a level above top tiers(and thus Zoro's dream).
Firstly, could you define what constitutes a level above for you? From what I recall, you have the top tiers being extreme diff fights for each other, save Roger and Primebeard, who you think can high diff the rest of them. Mid diff is preposterous at the moment, nothing indicates Roger and WB were so above the rest. However, you I am sure already know that once Zoro beats his opponent, in most cases, the next time he fights them, he is able to beat them at a lower difficulty than before. Following the aforementioned pattern, once Zoro beats Mihawk extreme diff, theoretically the next time they fight, Zoro should be capable of high diffing Mihawk. Following that logic, that places him at a level you refer to as the PK level and that invalidates your statement. Moreover, the statement doesn't hold water, unless you think Mihawk is at the lower level of top tiers, and I sincerely hope you don't.


The pirate king is the king of seas
And why is the pirate king known as such? We actually got an answer to that recently.
As it's clearly visible in the panel above, Roger was crowned Pirate King because he was the first ever to complete a full circumnavigation of the globe. And how did Roger achieve that? Well, firstly he borrowed a crewmate from his biggest rival WB, in fact he was begging for it.
From Roger's own words he was certain that he could only reach the final island with Oden. Without having Oden, he as he himself implies wouldn't have been able to find the final island, and thus wouldn't have been crowned the PK. Furthermore, he was given two Road Poneglyphs by the Minks and Oden
Stole one from Linlin
No implication of a fight between them.
Got one from his friends the fishman

Whitebeard(his equal) could have been pirate king whenever he wanted
Exactly, Whitebeard could have been the PK whenever he wanted to, because Roger offered to tell him how to get there. However, would WB going there in any way make him stronger? No it wouldn't. What's more, we can infer that by the time Roger became the PK his health deteriorated more and more
which would logically make him weaker than he was, and would thus result in WB being stronger, even by a hair.

The yonko on the other hand are silver medalists who aren't able to completely conquer the seas.
And why aren't the Yonko able to conquer the seas completely? Because there's 4 of them, 4 extremely powerful individuals interested in the same thing, becoming PK, besides maybe Shanks, who is in it to preserve balance. Kaido and Linlin each have a road poneglyph of their own. During Roger's time Kaido and Linlin were nothing like they are now
WB wasn't interested in it at all
and his other big rival was defeated via the effort of a mutual cooperation with Garp
That's how Roger became the PK.
 
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Would you answer my question then. Does Buggy somehow killing WB make him the strongest in the verse?

Firstly, could you define what constitute a level above for you? From what I recall, you have the top tiers being extreme diff fights for each other, save Roger and Primebeard, who you think can high diff the rest of them. Mid diff is preposterous at the moment, nothing indicates Roger and WB were so above the rest. However, you I am sure already know that once Zoro beats his opponent, in most cases, the next time he fights them, he is able to beat them at a lower difficulty than before. Following the aforementioned pattern, once Zoro beats Mihawk extreme diff, theoretically the next time they fight, Zoro should be capable of high diffing Mihawk. Following that logic, that places him at a level you refer to as the PK level and that invalidates your statement. Moreover, the statement doesn't hold water, unless you think Mihawk is at the lower level of top tiers, and I sincerely hope you don't.



And why is the pirate king known as such? We actually got an answer to that recently.
As it's clearly visible in the panel above, Roger was crowned Pirate King because he was the first ever to complete a full circumnavigation of the globe. And how did Roger achieve that. Well, firstly he borrowed a crewmate from his biggest rival WB, in fact he was begging for it.
From Roger's own words he was certain that he could only reach the final island with Oden. Without having Oden, he as he himself implies wouldn't have been able to find the final island, and thus wouldn't have been crowned the PK. Furthermore, he was given two Road Poneglyphs by the Minks and Oden
Stole one from Linlin
No implication of a fight between them.
Got one from his friends the fishman


Exactly, Whitebeard could have been the PK whenever he wanted to, because Roger offered to tell him how to get there. However, would WB going there in any way make him stronger? No it wouldn't. What's more, we can infer that by the time Roger became the PK his health deteriorated more and more
which would logically make him weaker than he was, and would thus result in WB being stronger, even by a hair.


And why aren't the Yonko able to conquer the seas completely? Because there's 4 of them, 4 extremely powerful individuals interested in the same thing, becoming PK, besides maybe Shanks, who is in it to preserve balance. Kaido and Linlin each have a road poneglyph of their own. During Roger's time Kaido and Linlin were nothing like they are now
WB wasn't interested in it at all
and his other big rival was defeated via the effort of a mutual cooperation with Garp
That's how Roger became the PK.
Roger was still the strongest of his era though. And luffy will be the strongest of his.
It's not even a matter of dream.
 
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