General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Staticshadic]

Totally normal for the next Nakama

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[Logiko]

Totally normal for the next Nakama

Robin was a side character during Alabasta and Usopp and Nami weren't even there for the Baratie arc so.. meh

 

[Sasparan]

Robin was a side character during Alabasta and Usopp and Nami weren't even there for the Baratie arc so.. meh

 

[Logiko]

Robin was a secondary character during Alabasta, not a primary one.

 

[Sasparan]

Robin was a secondary character during Alabasta, not a primary one.

She is a primary character in Alabasta. I guess you need a reread because Robin is a huge deal in Alabasta.

 

[Lhulu]

Robin was a secondary character during Alabasta, not a primary one.

Carrot is almost a fodder in Onigashima.
Robin in Alabasta was an equivalent to a Calamity here in Wano.

 

[Flagandhat]

Carrot is in FRONT of Yamato in ALL these area. Denying that is just ignoring the story and being BIAISED.

I dont think so. Of course that carrot has good chances for joining. But she is in front of yamato ?. For me, thinking in that way is bad, because is better to look for the two faces of the coin. I mean, she has good chaces yeah, but also she has a lot of bad things right now. If we only look or think in one direction, we wont see the whole truth, is better to compare the two faces.

She has a role, she is near to mugiwaras and she has the martial arts of minks. but she lost a lot of importance in the manga, yamato have more important in the manga and more future, if pedro is alive she will lose all the chances becuase there is no sad past in her life, and the attack to zunisha had a good ending by chopper and mugiwaras appear.

Of course pedro maybe is dead, maybe is alive, so right now carrot has and hasnt good a sad past because pedro is alive or dead. For me, honestly, this is the main reason for think that carrot have a bad position. But i repeat that it will change, but it seems that yamato is going to enjoy more screens in the future, so it is difficult

We have yet to explore Yamato outside a war so there are lots of time for Oda to showcase her ship role...

If Luffy is to ask Carrot, he would've done it before the war and invited her to join in the interrupted toast...

Yeah. I didnt thought about that. You did a good point over here. We have to wait to see yamato out from a war because yamato appear is still under kaido war. Maybe we will learn or see new skills that she is hiding.

Currently, both are on the same condition role-wise. It’s never been confirmed in the story, Vivre Card data book, nor SBS that Carrot has an impressive feat as a lookout; especially it’s never been confirmed if Carrot has excellent eyesight. Lookout would have been a speculation of the role possibility, if Carrot joined. Seeing things afar with binoculars is not an impressive feat. Almost everybody can do it. Usopp as the official sharpshooter, has better eyesight; and Robin can sprout her limbs almost anywhere she wishes. If lookout is Carrot’s supposed role, Viola should be the lookout instead because Viola can see 4000 kms away. Even Viola worked under Doflamingo’s influence, which fits the pattern.

and if Carrot is indeed an impressive lookout, the story should revolve around her feat being used by the supposedly main villain; but unfortunately it’s never gone that way. Yamato on the other hand, was forced by the main villain (Kaido) to do Kaido’s own bidding; which is to be the shogun and protector of Wano, and Yamato clearly rejected that idea.

Yeah. It is actually a good observation. When i think in a "good character who is a lookout". I imagine a character who is always in a high place watching the sky, the sea, and everywhere. I dont imagine carrot being the whole time in a high place because she is so nervous, and we saw that she is always moving, so for me the "lookout character that luffy needs" is a character who like to be in a high place and alone without moving.

 

[Logiko]

She is a primary character in Alabasta. I guess you need a reread because Robin is a huge deal in Alabasta.

Not at all. Don't expect me to make you a course on the difference between primary and secondary character here.

But grossly:

Prime characters :

Crocodile
Vivi
Luffy

Secondary character:

Cohza
The strawhats
Smoker and Tashigi

I would put Robin + other member of Barocks work + member of the royal guard + Igaram + Others in a third catergorie.

Robin's importance only comes at the middle of the arc and the end, that's all.

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Carrot is almost a fodder in Onigashima.
Robin in Alabasta was an equivalent to a Calamity here in Wano.

I agree, Robin was a little bit more important than Carrot in Alabasta. But those are details

 

[Sasparan]

A straw hat's role on the ship is linked to the core of their character. It's not just something Oda slaps on for them to join like their colour or number. Their role on the crew guides everything else about them. Their personality, backstory, dreams, fighting style. It all links back to their profession and what they bring to the group and Luffy.

Franky's backstory taught him to take pride in his creations and love them no matter what. He fights using his flamboyant weapons on his self engineered cyborg body. He dreams of creating and riding on a wonder ship that can overcome anything. To top it all off, he himself is one of the most extravagant and unashamedly "super" characters Oda's created.

Brook's backstory put him through the depths of loneliness and how the only thing that kept him going was the music of his crew's final performance and the joy he had with them on their journey. He fights using song themed attacks, actual music and his soul. He dreams of returning to his old friend and delivering their crew's final performance. His personality is that of an ever joyous clown who you'll find constantly making jokes about his own misfortune, whenever he's not singing or playing his favourite song.

You can breakdown each and every straw hat like this. Their role is intrinsic to who they are. Not just another item on the "to be a straw hat" checklist.

The only role that has the same congruence to it for Yamao would be if she were a guardian. But that role of course makes no sense on the SH crew, yet makes all the sense as Momo's retainer. Meanwhile the lookout role for Carrot could very nicely link together her personality, potential dream and fighting style. It would also be easy to craft a backstory around the idea of wonder. That's if you're excluding the possibility of a present time "backstory" where she got to explore "wonderland" but also experienced its horrors.

Usopp says hi.

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Not at all. Don't expect me to make you a course on the difference between primary and secondary character here.

But grossly:

Prime characters :

Crocodile
Vivi
Luffy

Secondary character:

Cohza
The strawhats
Smoker and Tashigi

I would put Robin + other member of Barocks work + member of the royal guard + Igaram + Others in a third catergorie.

Robin's importance only comes at the middle of the arc and the end, that's all.

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I agree, Robin was a little bit more important than Carrot in Alabasta. But those are details

You get my point. She is a huge deal in Alabasta. She is maybe not primary character but she is not a third character too. She is Secondary character at worst.

 

[Queek Hea D Taker]

Robin was a side character during Alabasta and Usopp and Nami weren't even there for the Baratie arc so.. meh

Robin in Alabasta a side character? The right hand of Crocodile? The one who saved Luffy after being stabbed by Crocodile even though we thought she was an enemy? The one who could read Poneglyphs and lied to Crocodile?

Nami a side character in Baratie? When she literally steals the Going Merry "betraying" the crew? Then Oda shows us her intentions/past:

Spoiler

Totally a side character LMAO

And the only who didn't get much focus on Baratie was Usopp, and even though the arc was literally just 27 chapters, he got assigned to the role of Sharpshooter by Luffy and after Nami's "betrayal", Luffy put on charge Usopp to go after Nami:

Spoiler

Maybe the problem is that I'm using the wrong terms here, so my bad, let me correct myself. Carrot is just a background character in Wano.

 

[Lhulu]

Robin's importance only comes at the middle of the arc and the end, that's all.

We already have a character in Wano which importance only came now in the "climax".

Also, Robin had the important and emotional scene during the main battle of the arc, where Luffy saves both her and Crocodile, and in that same scene Oda introduced Robin with great quotes
"I've lost what I wanted in life. Leave me here, just go!"

Do you think Carrot will get something similar? Now against Perospero she got help from Nekomamushi, another side character...

 

[Logiko]

Usopp says hi.

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You get my point. She is a huge deal in Alabasta. She is maybe not primary character but she is not a third character too. She is Secondary character at worst.

Like I said, I would put her in a third category, she does not impact the story too much beside three storylines :

- Beating up Pell
- Saving Vivi
- Kidnapping the King

On the other hand there are character with a lot more importance.

My point is a character with less relevance to the story is not necessaraly a bad choice for a strawhat, this is actually the opposite:

If you notice that Oda is hidding a character (example Carrot in Zou) this is most likely because he has plan for them (surprise you with her stowaway)

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Robin in Alabasta a side character? The right hand of Crocodile? The one who saved Luffy after being stabbed by Crocodile even though we thought she was an enemy? The one who could read Poneglyphs and lied to Crocodile?

Nami a side character in Baratie? When she literally steals the Going Merry "betraying" the crew? Then Oda shows us her intentions/past:

Spoiler

Totally a side character LMAO

And the only who didn't get much focus on Baratie was Usopp, and even though the arc was literally just 27 chapters, he got assigned to the role of Sharpshooter by Luffy and after Nami's "betrayal", Luffy put on charge Usopp to go after Nami:

Spoiler

Maybe the problem is that I'm using the wrong terms here, so my bad, let me correct myself. Carrot is just a background character in Wano.

Nami is not only a side character in the baratie arc but not a character at all. She is inexistent to the storyline of this arc. What you described is part of another storyline

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We already have a character in Wano which importance only came now in the "climax".

Also, Robin had the important and emotional scene during the main battle of the arc, where Luffy saves both her and Crocodile, and in that same scene Oda introduced Robin with great quotes
"I've lost what I wanted in life. Leave me here, just go!"

Do you think Carrot will get something similar? Now against Perospero she got help from Nekomamushi, another side character...

I think the "impact" of Carrot will not come at Wano but after. Carrot is just a teenager who needs to learn the hardship of the pirate life. Even if that's possible, I don't expect it to happen on Wano, but after.

 

[dizzy2341]

Usopp says hi.

And what's your point? He's built the same way as all the others.

 

[Staticshadic]

Robin was a secondary character during Alabasta, not a primary one.

What are you talking about? Robin was talk about a lot throughout the alabasta arc. From smoker who said, the government has been looking for robin for 20 years. From the Tashighi’s group of marines saying that she sunk 10 battle warships she had bounty on heard head since she was 8 years old. Talking to Cobra about the true history that she has been searching for a long time Saving Luffy Life not once but twice. Knowing something about the will of d. Even as an antagonist, she showcased what her powers can do. In the next arc she would be key Component telling the other characters there is in island in the sky. During skypia she would end up finding out the roger somehow was able to read the poneglaphs just like her. On top of that she would end up having her own individual fight that wasn’t completely skipped over. When robin was a stowaway on the ship after alabasta arc. It was more of a debt of gratitude what Luffy did for her when she originally wanted to die. Even when she told them she had nowhere else to go and no place return to she decides to join them. Luffy saw that she was a good person at heart and accepted her on aboard the ship. During skypia they were waiting for robin to be done with her unfinish businesses that she was doing.

 

[Logiko]

What are you talking about? Robin was talk about a lot throughout the alabasta arc. From smoker who said, the government has been looking for robin for 20 years. From the Tashighi’s group of marines saying that she sunk 10 battle warships she had bounty on heard head since she was 8 years old. Talking to Cobra about the true history that she has been searching for a long time Saving Luffy Life not once but twice. Knowing something about the will of d. Even as an antagonist, she showcased what her powers can do. In the next arc she would be key Component telling the other characters there is in island in the sky. During skypia she would end up finding out the roger somehow was able to read the poneglaphs just like her. On top of that she would end up having her own individual fight that wasn’t completely skipped over. When robin was a stowaway on the ship after alabasta arc. It was more of a debt of gratitude what Luffy did for her when she originally wanted to die. Even when she told them she had nowhere else to go and no place return to she decides to join them. Luffy saw that she was a good person at heart and accepted her on aboard the ship. During skypia they were waiting for robin to be done with her unfinish businesses that she was doing.

Listen.. I won't make a course about the difference between a prime character and a secondary one.. Have it your way.

 

[Sasparan]

Like I said, I would put her in a third category, she does not impact the story too much beside three storylines :

- Beating up Pell
- Saving Vivi
- Kidnapping the King

On the other hand there are character with a lot more importance.

My point is a character with less relevance to the story is not necessaraly a bad choice for a strawhat, this is actually the opposite:

If you notice that Oda is hidding a character (example Carrot in Zou) this is most likely because he has plan for them (surprise you with her stowaway)

She is the secondary antagonist in the arc She is important everyone except Luffy, Vivi and Croco. Can you tell me who are that important characters dont tell me that its Koza.

I get your point but i am telling you time and time again if Oda wants someone to join the Strawhats he is developing them and when Luffy asks them to join it makes it more impactful. I understand your stowaway plot too but like i say Robin is at least an important character even if she didnt interract with strawhats. Carrot is like a side character now thats why i am saying Oda needs to develop her.

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And what's your point? He's built the same way as all the others.

No he isnt thats why he says hi.

 

[dizzy2341]

No he isnt thats why he says hi.

How is he not? In what way are his role, personality, fighting style, backstory and dream not all linked?

 

[Rootbeer]

Nami is not only a side character in the baratie arc but not a character at all. She is inexistent to the storyline of this arc. What you described is part of another storyline

The difference is Carrot is completely irrelevant in Wano, Nami wasn't in Baratie if she was she would have been relevant..

I think the "impact" of Carrot will not come at Wano but after. Carrot is just a teenager who needs to learn the hardship of the pirate life. Even if that's possible, I don't expect it to happen on Wano, but after.

Robin's Alabasta is Carrot's Zou

Wano is not Carrot's Alabasta, it's her Enies Lobby and she's insignificant.. She will never be a Strawhat

 

[Sasparan]

How is he not? In what way are his role, personality, fighting style, backstory and dream not all linked?

I mean Usopp being a marksman has nothing to do with his backstory or his dream. It has something to do with his fighting style because he is marksman but being a brave warrior of the sea has nothing to do with being a marksman.

And Usopp's backstory is like 2 pages his mother's dying. I dont see how it has to do with all the things you have listed.

 

[Staticshadic]

Listen.. I won't make a course about the difference between a prime character and a secondary one.. Have it your way.

It's time to face the reality Carrot is pretty much done there's nothing more to her as a character moving forward. Her character has been basically sidelined throughout this entire freaking arc and she hasn’t done much of anything throughout this entire war so far beside saving marco. All her past trauma have already been resolve by other characters who are basically non-strawhats. There are no hints or any form of dialogue that tells us anything regarding a future backstory from her as a character. She never talks about anything regarding the dawn that pedro spoke of. Her suslong transformation has been stolen by the oni princess and who is skill with 3 version of haki. The oni princess even talk about the dawn pedro spoke of more than she has. For her role on crew, it has already been taken by other strawhat members. The official one piece youtube channel, the volumes, and as well marketing for Yamato has been more convincing case for her joining the strawhats. Face it your character is done and you’re just hanging on for deer life she does something hoping something that sticks with reader to make her important than Yamato is.