General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[JoSeungHun7335]

I can't help you to read boi

whatever wannabe analyst fail

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Dude, all your post are toxicity.. You are not the right person to talk about credibility

Mhm, I’ve already done this dance with dizzy, you’re not adding anything new to this conversation or the one about future nakama

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question

then it’s settled and you indirectly admitted that it’s not based on data like you said. Totally a wannabe analyst fail

 

[Logiko]

then it’s settled and you indirectly admitted that it’s not based on data like you said. Totally a wannabe analyst fail

read again

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Mhm, I’ve already done this dance with dizzy, you’re not adding anything new to this conversation or the one about future nakama

You are not dancing, you are falling.

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whatever wannabe analyst fail

A good analyst don't get blinded by a decoy

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

read again

So? You can’t even make a counter argument about the fact that every single Straw Hat was finally accepted, and again that’s a real fact. The first and only time a Straw Hat was stowing away was Robin, and she was finally accepted post Enies Lobby. In fact by the first time Robin stowed away, she invited herself to the crew and Luffy accepted her.

Having argument with you ain’t making myself getting cleverer. Have it your way, wannabe analyst fail.

 

[Sigran101]

I agree that Carrot is ahead in post, role, and interaction with the crew, but I think Yamato is ahead in relationship with Luffy. They have interacted more than Carrot and Luffy, and Carrot has never had an actual 1 on 1 conversation with him.


1) I'm a sceptic I know what a strawman is, and I didn't do one because I give you all the answer and I didn't said that you (2) you couldn't say "maybe" I said that it was one of the only two option left. That's just logic if you are a Yamato fan.

3...
4.. Well no but I understand the character of Carrot well enough to tell you.. trust me, she would stowaway again.

5. In the present state of the story, carrot just asking the crew to join would be anti climatic. Of course there is a lot of way Oda could do this differently, but the best way - for now - is to surprise us with a second stowaway, like the Duke did at the time. oda loves his running gags. (imagine how surprise you would be if Carrot would stowaway.. well you got your answer on the best way to integrate a new mugiwara)

6. Follow my twitter, in a few hour or so you will understand how bias the case of Yamato really is.



The thing is those are essential to make a character arc, NOT to make a strawhat.

1. We are just not going to agree.

2. You said that "maybe" is an invalid answer because it's "avoiding the question".


3. I guess we're done there

4. You don't understand One Piece any better than the rest of us. Try to tone down the arrogance. I had a double major in english in college but I'm not out here telling people "just trust me, I know better". We're all reading the same story. If anything, you seem to understand it less than most of us.

5. I can agree with this actually. I don't see it as a running gag, but I get your argument and I agree.


6. Yeah, I've seen your twitter and read your arguments. Remember you linked it here and then called us stalkers for posting your tweets here? I definitely remember your tweet begging people to vote for Carrot in the popularity poll. I don't think your twitter is good evidence that you are unbiased. Your anti Yamato arguments there are just the same things that have been posted here by others except written in a less convincing way and with grammer errors. You also called Van biased toward Yamato, and it's a well known fact that he hates Yamato, so I don't exactly trust your judgement on it.

As far as the one sentence of actual argument you made, if these aren't important, then name one strawhat who doesn't have them. Also even if they are important for a character arc only, every strawhat has a character arc, so it's bad for Carrot either way.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

A good analyst don't get blinded by a decoy

Whatever wannabe analyst fail

 

[Sigran101]

Carrot is unimpressive as a lookout as well:

I didn't even remember this. No strawhat has ever been shown simply failing at their role when they join. They're shown doing fantastically. And Ussop took over as lookout in Wano. The lookout role isn't seeming so great for Carrot.

 

[Staticshadic]

I didn't even remember this. No strawhat has ever been shown simply failing at their role when they join. They're shown doing fantastically. And Ussop took over as lookout in Wano. The lookout role isn't seeming so great for Carrot.

From what I remember during them trying to escape whole cake island posted suslong carrot it's chapter 899

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Yeah, I've seen your twitter and read your arguments. Remember you linked it here and then called us stalkers for posting your tweets here? I definitely remember your tweet begging people to vote for Carrot in the popularity poll. I don't think your twitter is good evidence that you are unbiased. Your anti Yamato arguments there are just the same things that have been posted here by others except written in a less convincing way and with grammer errors. You also called Van biased toward Yamato, and it's a well known fact that he hates Yamato, so I don't exactly trust your judgement on it.

For the bolded part:

 

[thedarkdragon11]

I just do. How can you be sure she won't be fine ?

She's not 100% fine, can't use Sulong again safely (she didn't even attacked Daifuku when she was Sulong)...

No that just the escuse you have if your own headcannon does not become a reality, there is no bad writing in making Carrot stowaway again. And I will fight you to the death on that one.

Then I suggest that you do as I say asking lit majors...

Who said that she failed to see him ? You are making wrong assumptions here.

Now this is hilarious... Common sense, Daifuku's genie won't be able to get that close if she saw it getting close earlier...

Wano Panel Time (1030)

53) Carrot - 92

Carrot is not a side character...

ROFL... Just 9 panels ahead of Gama...

She is a side character in Wano.

Side characters are joining... Oda's that dumb now...

Robin was a side character during Alabasta and Usopp and Nami weren't even there for the Baratie arc so.. meh

Is this a joke?

Robin was a secondary character during Alabasta, not a primary one.

Baroque Works' VP is not a primary character?

Robin's importance only comes at the middle of the arc and the end, that's all.

Now that you've mentioned it, you acknowledge Robin "became important" in that arc... Whereas, Carrot was never important...

If you notice that Oda is hidding a character (example Carrot in Zou) this is most likely because he has plan for them (surprise you with her stowaway)

She's hiding the grass eater because she's unimportant... She better sneak to the Fake Straw Hat ship for a better surprise...

Listen.. I won't make a course about the difference between a prime character and a secondary one.. Have it your way.

Typical C4N excuse...

Everything about Carrot's character is about Wonder. Her design, her symbolic reach, her treatment, her dialogue. This is TRULY the core of Carrot's character (and for real, I could give you my hand on that, that's how much I'm sure about this) and for a good reason, wonder is the best part of a character acting as a look-out. There is no better look-out that a character who look at the world with the eyes of an excited child.

Carrot is the representation of Alice in wonderland who goes through the rabbit hole of adventure.

And on the meta side of the story. Do you think Wanda's name is just a play on the cry of the dog ?

Wanda's name is a play on the word "wonder"... A better lookout would be Viola...

Carrot having a straightforward bisyllabic name is very mugiwara-esque, not a con, lmao.

Brook left the crew...

So for the non degenerates who recognize that Carrot is not a viable candidate as a future Nakama, which character do you think would be the runner up after Yamato? And must they be in Wano too? Are Vivi, Smoker, Boa or even Perona coming to Wano?

Tama...

The thing is those are essential to make a character arc, NOT to make a strawhat.

Dude, all your post are toxicity.. You are not the right person to talk about credibility

And you are?

"Carrot is just a reference to bugs bunny nothing more".. You are underestimating Oda my boi

You're putting words into Oda's mind...

No strawhat has ever been shown simply failing at their role when they join.

SH recruit skills are topnotch gold standard... Carrot's supposed lookout skills are trash... Anyone can do better than that...

 

[Logiko]

1. We are just not going to agree.

2. You said that "maybe" is an invalid answer because it's "avoiding the question".


3. I guess we're done there

4. You don't understand One Piece any better than the rest of us. Try to tone down the arrogance. I had a double major in english in college but I'm not out here telling people "just trust me, I know better". We're all reading the same story. If anything, you seem to understand it less than most of us.

5. I can agree with this actually. I don't see it as a running gag, but I get your argument and I agree.


6. Yeah, I've seen your twitter and read your arguments. Remember you linked it here and then called us stalkers for posting your tweets here? I definitely remember your tweet begging people to vote for Carrot in the popularity poll. I don't think your twitter is good evidence that you are unbiased. Your anti Yamato arguments there are just the same things that have been posted here by others except written in a less convincing way and with grammer errors. You also called Van biased toward Yamato, and it's a well known fact that he hates Yamato, so I don't exactly trust your judgement on it.

As far as the one sentence of actual argument you made, if these aren't important, then name one strawhat who doesn't have them. Also even if they are important for a character arc only, every strawhat has a character arc, so it's bad for Carrot either way.

1. Yup

2. That's not what I said go back to the post, you'll see.

3. Yup

4. I won't comment that.

5. \o/

6. I've linked my twitter where I spoke about Carrot. People searched for another of my account (similar but not mentionned). So yeah. This was stalking. Sorry for the grammar error, i'm french with slight orthographic issues already.

You can be biaised FOR a character and be against it. It's not uncomplementary.

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She's not 100% fine, can't use Sulong again safely (she didn't even attacked Daifuku when she was Sulong)...



Then I suggest that you do as I say asking lit majors...



Now this is hilarious... Common sense, Daifuku's genie won't be able to get that close if she saw it getting close earlier...



ROFL... Just 9 panels ahead of Gama...



Side characters are joining... Oda's that dumb now...



Is this a joke?



Baroque Works' VP is not a primary character?



Now that you've mentioned it, you acknowledge Robin "became important" in that arc... Whereas, Carrot was never important...



She's hiding the grass eater because she's unimportant... She better sneak to the Fake Straw Hat ship for a better surprise...



Typical C4N excuse...



Wanda's name is a play on the word "wonder"... A better lookout would be Viola...



Brook left the crew...



Tama...







And you are?



You're putting words into Oda's mind...



SH recruit skills are topnotch gold standard... Carrot's supposed lookout skills are trash... Anyone can do better than that...

Not even worth replying to

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I didn't even remember this. No strawhat has ever been shown simply failing at their role when they join. They're shown doing fantastically. And Ussop took over as lookout in Wano. The lookout role isn't seeming so great for Carrot.

Stop with this bad faith, you know full well that this is not failing. Daifuku is just fast. Pick that type of argument again and your credibility will go done.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Stop with this bad faith, you know full well that this is not failing. Daifuku is just fast. Pick that type of argument again and your credibility will go done.

Carrot is supposedly fast... Nothing implies that Daifuku is that fast... A good lookout has to have fast and keen eye...

No matter how you look at it, Carrot is a failure when it comes to lookout...

You should also take a look at how the recruits since Chopper (aka Grand Line recruits/non-EB5) are never a downgrade of the last...

Chopper < Robin =< Franky =< Brook < Jinbe < Yamato

Expect the next one (if any) to be better/equal to Yamato... Not a downgrade, especially this far in the story...

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Carrot is unimpressive as a lookout as well:

lol this is the true evidence. Yet Carrot fans still denying it, even saying that you make “wrong assumptions” while it’s the elephant in the room that Carrot indeed failed to see a genie that big approaching Sunny. Real fact, from real comic panel and he said you’re making “wrong assumptions”? Again: with REAL fact of the panel that Carrot failed to see a genie that big with her supposedly look-out role, and said that it’s just your “wrong assumptions”? Even brought the poll out of nowhere as his logical fallacy to support his empty argument? Even said that @Sigran101 has bad faith while the fact & data shows the opposite and making excuse that Daifuku’s genie is just that fast?


The argument is really ridiculous and a whole circus. Totally a wannabe analyst fail

 

[Topi Jerami]

Atm Carrot seems less likely to join than Yamao.

But if we being honest and compare the scenarios when both characters shined the most.
Nothing of Yamao's scene wins over this scene yet.

At that WCI moment, I was convinced "oh damn, the next nakama is sealed." while none of Yamao's scene convinced me as much as that scene so far.
Yet then Oda picks the different route and Carrot got placed in the background again in Wano. She didn't even defeat Perospero herself, contrary to what people (even those who dislike Carrot) seem to agreed together before.

 

[Uncle Van]

If a shitty character named after a vegetable ends up joining the Strawhats, then One Piece would really slowly be going down the drain seriously..

Oda is a big fan of Akira Toriyama's DBZ, who's characters are named after vegetables. I just cracked the code

 

[Logiko]

lol this is the true evidence. Yet Carrot fans still denying it, even saying that you make “wrong assumptions” while it’s the elephant in the room that Carrot indeed failed to see a genie that big approaching Sunny. Real fact, from real comic panel and he said you’re making “wrong assumptions”? Again: with REAL fact of the panel that Carrot failed to see a genie that big with her supposedly look-out role, and said that it’s just your “wrong assumptions”? Even brought the poll out of nowhere as his logical fallacy to support his empty argument? Even said that @Sigran101 has bad faith while the fact & data shows the opposite and making excuse that Daifuku’s genie is just that fast?


The argument is really ridiculous and a whole circus. Totally a wannabe analyst fail

Bad faith argumentation. This is not even worth replying anymore

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Carrot is supposedly fast... Nothing implies that Daifuku is that fast... A good lookout has to have fast and keen eye...

No matter how you look at it, Carrot is a failure when it comes to lookout...

You should also take a look at how the recruits since Chopper (aka Grand Line recruits/non-EB5) are never a downgrade of the last...

Chopper < Robin =< Franky =< Brook < Jinbe < Yamato

Expect the next one (if any) to be better/equal to Yamato... Not a downgrade, especially this far in the story...

Same

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Bad faith argumentation. This is not even worth replying anymore

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Same

Denial of evidence...

 

[Logiko]

Denial of evidence...

There are no evidences here

 

[Staticshadic]

There are no evidences here

When you say you have bad faith in something it means you don’t really have a good counter argument towards their opinion