General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

When you say you have bad faith in something it means you don’t really have a good counter argument towards their opinion

No it means that the argument is made with a poor judgment

 

[Staticshadic]

No it means that the argument is made with a poor judgment

no it means just lazy not responded.

 

[Logiko]

no it means just lazy not responded.

 

[Staticshadic]

counter there argument

 

[Rootbeer]

Luffy
Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Sanji
Chopper
Robin
Franky
Brook
Jinbei

And then..

Spoiler

 

[Sigran101]

1. Yup

2. That's not what I said go back to the post, you'll see.

3. Yup

4. I won't comment that.

5. \o/

6. I've linked my twitter where I spoke about Carrot. People searched for another of my account (similar but not mentionned). So yeah. This was stalking. Sorry for the grammar error, i'm french with slight orthographic issues already.

You can be biaised FOR a character and be against it. It's not uncomplementary.

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Not even worth replying to

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Stop with this bad faith, you know full well that this is not failing. Daifuku is just fast. Pick that type of argument again and your credibility will go done.

I'm just going to reply to the second quote because it's midnight.

How is it bad faith? Every strawhat is meant to be the best in the world at their role. At the very least they are showcased to be extremely good at their role. It doesn't matter how fast Daifuku is. You claim WCI was Carrot's showcase. But how did she showcase her lookout ability? When Oda showcases a new nakama in their new role in the crew, he shows them succeed. I legitimately did not know there was a moment in WCI when Carrot failed as a lookout. She let the fleet surround them without even noticing. What kind of top notch lookout does that? If Carrot was going to be the lookout for the strawhats, you know what would have happened? She'd have jumped super high up and seen the ambush coming long before the ships arrived, and the strawhats would have been completely prepared. The strawhats lose fights and take Ls all the time, but they don't fail at their roles. This is a big deal in my opinion. Feel free to disagree, but stop telling me what my mindset is.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Bad faith argumentation. This is not even worth replying anymore

It’s not bad faith argumentation, wannabe analyst fail. The panel itself has already proved the real fact and evidence, that you’re the one with bad faith. Yet you can’t prove otherwise, all you can say is “bad faith”. Learning new vocabulary now and get obsessed with it huh?

It should be us saying that you’re not worth replying because you’re making us as dumb as you are. “Wr0n6 4RguMenTat1on5”, “B4d F4itH”, “Da1FuKu i5 jUsT th4t f4sT”, “tHeRe 4re n0 eV1deNc3s”. Lame excuses from a lame fan of a lame character. Triple lame.

wannabe analyst fail indeed

 

[Logiko]

Luffy
Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Sanji
Chopper
Robin
Franky
Brook
Jinbei

And then..

Spoiler

I'm just going to reply to the second quote because it's midnight.

How is it bad faith? Every strawhat is meant to be the best in the world at their role. At the very least they are showcased to be extremely good at their role. It doesn't matter how fast Daifuku is. You claim WCI was Carrot's showcase. But how did she showcase her lookout ability? When Oda showcases a new nakama in their new role in the crew, he shows them succeed. I legitimately did not know there was a moment in WCI when Carrot failed as a lookout. She let the fleet surround them without even noticing. What kind of top notch lookout does that? If Carrot was going to be the lookout for the strawhats, what would have happened? She'd have jumped up super high up and seen the ambush coming long before the ships arrived, and the strawhats would have been completely prepared. The strawhats lose fights and take Ls all the time, but they don't fail at their roles. This is a big deal in my opinion. Feel free to disagree, but stop telling me what my mindset is.

This is bad faith and you know very well why:

- This pic of daifuku was a shortcut for Oda this has nothing to do with Carrot's ability in the look out post
- Carrot DID spot the fleet and DID avert the strawhat (if not, they would be dead right now)
- Carrot has been a look out for 2/3 of whole cake and you are picking a panel where she is surprised (for good reasons) to ignore all that. that's double bad faith.
- By this logic Nami would have never have to avoid a tornado, Jinbe would have been ahead of all the fleets (you see the bad logic ?)

You are just trying to find a way to downplay the fact that Carrot is a look out . Why ? because this is the worst argument for all of you as Yamato don't have anything to give in return.

Please.. respect yourself, don't play into that type of argumentation. Analyse the story correctly. Or I will ignore your argumentation. Just accept that Carrot has an advantage. You don't have to ridiculized yourself.

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It’s not bad faith argumentation, wannabe analyst fail. The panel itself has already proved the real fact and evidence, that you’re the one with bad faith. Yet you can’t prove otherwise, all you can say is “bad faith”. Learning new vocabulary now and get obsessed with it huh?

It should be us saying that you’re not worth replying because you’re making us as dumb as you are.

wannabe analyst fail indeed

Not even worth replying to

 

[Sigran101]

This is bad faith and you know very well why:

- This pic of daifuku was a shortcut for Oda this has nothing to do with Carrot's ability in the look out post
- Carrot DID spot the fleet and DID avert the strawhat (if not, they would be dead right now)
- Carrot has been a look out for 2/3 of whole cake and you are picking a panel where she is surprised (for good reasons) to ignore all that. that's double bad faith.
- By this logic Nami would have never have to avoid a tornado, Jinbe would have been ahead of all the fleets (you see the bad logic ?)

You are just trying to find a way to downplay the fact that Carrot is a look out . Why ? because this is the worst argument for all of you as Yamato don't have anything to give in return.

Please.. respect yourself, don't play into that type of argumentation. Analyse the story correctly. Or I will ignore your argumentation. Just accept that Carrot has an advantage. You don't have to ridiculized yourself.

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Not even worth replying to

You know, I was going to go and reread that part of WCI because I don't remember it well enough, I was just commenting on what was shown in the panel. If you had simply made your argument I'd have responded respectfully and come back later with my thoughts on it after rereading. But instead you assumed my mindset for a third time and insulted me the whole time, so instead I'll just say "fuck off" and be done with it. You know I really wanted to have real discussions with you, but every time I disagree with you you just attack my character, saying it's bad faith and I know better and tell me how I feel. I mentioned multiple times, in here and in PM, that I was open to having my mind changed, and I acknowledged that you convinced me on things more than once. But you can't seem to percieve the concept that someone can disagree with you and not be lying due to bias, even though ypu are the most biased person here by far.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Not even worth replying to

And here you are still replying. Don’t stop please, keep entertaining us. We really need a whole circus as a laughing stock & set as an example to be not a laughing stock.

keep coping, wannabe analyst fail

 

[Logiko]

You know, I was going to go and reread that part of WCI because I don't remember it well enough, I was just commenting on what was shown in the panel. If you had simply made your argument I'd have responded respectfully and come back later with my thoughts on it after rereading. But instead you assumed my mindset for a third time and insulted me the whole time, so instead I'll just say "fuck off" and be done with it. You know I really wanted to have real discussions with you, but every time I disagree with you you just attack my character, saying it's bad faith and I know better and tell me how I feel. I mentioned multiple times, in here and in PM, that I was open to having my mind changed, and I acknowledged that you convinced me on things more than once. But you can't seem to percieve the concept that someone can disagree with you and not be lying due to bias, even though ypu are the most biased person here by far.

I'll never "insult you" - I'm being rash.. maybe.. but never insulting. When I talk here, you have to understand that I'm not facing you alone, but a crowd. I'm facing all of you at once. Not just you, so you will have to forgive me if I appears on the defensive and a little bit generalistic. Without this, I would not last long here. May I remind you that we are only 2 pro Carrot here, and the entire crowd is making fun of our argumentation ;)

So sorry about that. I'll try to be a little be nicer. But please, don't use the toxic argumentations like this previous one, we will go nowhere, we all know what Oda meant with those panel, no need to be picky about it.

Trust me, I'm not bias, at least now how you think I am. In fact I'm rooting also for Yamato you know, I would love for two female to join the crew. This is just not what is happening right now. The story and the subtext are clear. Trust me when I say that Oda is playing with you.

Technically I'm going against him by saying that. But it's a necessity as most of you seem a little bit too close to the idea of Yamato being a real candidate. Meaning that if it does not happen, this forum will become a trasktalk fest. Noone needs that. Not even Oda who is playing with fire.

I'm glad you choosed to reread the story, this is also one of my goal here as many people seems to have forgotten how much place took Carrot in the story.

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And here you are still replying. Don’t stop please, keep entertaining us. We really need a whole circus as a laughing stock & set as an example to be not a laughing stock.

keep coping, wannabe analyst fail

See @Sigran101, this is the kind of behavior that i'm facing. Some people here are not here to debate, but to destroy. There is not point in bringing argument to them, they will be ignored.

 

[Sigran101]

I'll never "insult you" - I'm being rash.. maybe.. but never insulting. When I talk here, you have to understand that I'm not facing you alone, but a crowd. I'm facing all of you at once. Not just you, so you will have to forgive me if I appears on the defensive and a little bit generalistic. Without this, I would not last long here. May I remind you that we are only 2 pro Carrot here, and the entire crowd is making fun of our argumentation ;)

So sorry about that. I'll try to be a little be nicer. But please, don't use the toxic argumentations like this previous one, we will go nowhere, we all know what Oda meant with those panel, no need to be picky about it.

Trust me, I'm not bias, at least now how you think I am. In fact I'm rooting also for Yamato you know, I would love for two female to join the crew. This is just not what is happening right now. The story and the subtext are clear. Trust me when I say that Oda is playing with you.

Technically I'm going against him by saying that. But it's a necessity as most of you seem a little bit too close to the idea of Yamato being a real candidate. Meaning that if it does not happen, this forum will become a trasktalk fest. Noone needs that. Not even Oda who is playing with fire.

I'm glad you choosed to reread the story, this is also one of my goal here as many people seems to have forgotten how much place took Carrot in the story.

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See @Sigran101, this is the kind of behavior that i'm facing. Some people here are not here to debate, but to destroy. There is not point in bringing argument to them, they will be ignored.

Thanks for the apology, I appreciate it! I definitely understand how frustrating it is to have a whole bunch of people argue against you at once. I've been on the recieving end of it myself, and I know some of my friends can get pretty toxic too. I'll try and be more understanding of that.

For the record, I really do want Carrot to join the crew. I think her su long form is Oda's best character design, I think her combat style is cool and unique, and I love her personality. The moments where she freaks out over ordinary things like an oven always make me laugh. I think she'd be a great addition. I just truly don't think the story is being set up that way. I don't remember WCI well enough to comment on the last point, but I think Wano is more important than you give it credit for, including Ussop taking over the role as lookout. If you made an argument that convinced me I would be happy, because I think Yamato is joining either way, so Carrot joining as well would be nothing but a good thing to me.

 

[Staticshadic]

This is bad faith and you know very well why:

- This pic of daifuku was a shortcut for Oda this has nothing to do with Carrot's ability in the look out post
- Carrot DID spot the fleet and DID avert the strawhat (if not, they would be dead right now)
- Carrot has been a look out for 2/3 of whole cake and you are picking a panel where she is surprised (for good reasons) to ignore all that. that's double bad faith.
- By this logic Nami would have never have to avoid a tornado, Jinbe would have been ahead of all the fleets (you see the bad logic ?)

You are just trying to find a way to downplay the fact that Carrot is a look out . Why ? because this is the worst argument for all of you as Yamato don't have anything to give in return.

Please.. respect yourself, don't play into that type of argumentation. Analyse the story correctly. Or I will ignore your argumentation. Just accept that Carrot has an advantage. You don't have to ridiculized yourself.

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Not even worth replying to

Yamato and Carrot do have same goals want to "go on adventure seeing the world".
Carrot has these advantages
1.She had history with few of strawhat 3 arcs (mainly nami, Sanji, Chopper, Brook, and Jimbei)
2. she might have a possible role on the crew (other characters can take that from her)
3. Losing her mentor figure in real time. (that we barley no anything about there relationship beside getting gauntlets )
4. some encouragement moving forward and understand the strawhats can be something special.
5. Selfless

Disadvantaged
1. Carrot doesn't have a story centric arc that entirely focus on her as a character
2. She doesn't have main antagonists that has Hinder progress
3, Most of her personal trauma from the enemies that effect her on personal level have already been resolve by side characters who are non straw hats.
4. Doesn't have haki

Yamato has these advantages
1. Yamato has had story centric arc that center around her as a character since act 3
2. sad past going for her
3. The main protagonist (kaido) has her Hinder progress throughout her life for 28 years
4. Has interaction with Luffy and Ace about her own personal goals what she wants do with her life
5. showing her importance with in the arc she is involved in . Without her involvement the arc it would drastically change
6. Since she is Kaido's child she is going to face some Major Discrimination based on her own bloodline. Most likely get wanted poster
7. Yamato's having 3 form of haki
8. Luffy putting trust into her doing something for him
9. Yamato has bunch advisements and marketing hyping her up to be next strawhat.

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Yamato's disadvantage
1. doesn't have role on the crew
2. Her oden's persona is also holding her back.
3. Hasn't met all the strawhat yet except for Franky

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

I'll never "insult you" - I'm being rash.. maybe.. but never insulting. When I talk here, you have to understand that I'm not facing you alone, but a crowd. I'm facing all of you at once. Not just you, so you will have to forgive me if I appears on the defensive and a little bit generalistic. Without this, I would not last long here. May I remind you that we are only 2 pro Carrot here, and the entire crowd is making fun of our argumentation ;)

So sorry about that. I'll try to be a little be nicer. But please, don't use the toxic argumentations like this previous one, we will go nowhere, we all know what Oda meant with those panel, no need to be picky about it.

Trust me, I'm not bias, at least now how you think I am. In fact I'm rooting also for Yamato you know, I would love for two female to join the crew. This is just not what is happening right now. The story and the subtext are clear. Trust me when I say that Oda is playing with you.

Technically I'm going against him by saying that. But it's a necessity as most of you seem a little bit too close to the idea of Yamato being a real candidate. Meaning that if it does not happen, this forum will become a trasktalk fest. Noone needs that. Not even Oda who is playing with fire.

I'm glad you choosed to reread the story, this is also one of my goal here as many people seems to have forgotten how much place took Carrot in the story.

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See @Sigran101, this is the kind of behavior that i'm facing. Some people here are not here to debate, but to destroy. There is not point in bringing argument to them, they will be ignored.

Playing victim now huh? Like you’ve never been toxic to anybody LMAO. Totally lame indeed. Many people have debated you without being toxic. Then again you just decided to personally attack them simply because you thought of “wrong assumptions”, “bad faith”, “not worth replying to”.

“There is no point in bringing argument to them, they will be ignored” and yet you’ve come back for I don’t know how many times to reply my arguments, while I myself didn’t reply to you. A lot of people made many arguments, counter arguments, points and evidences, yet you also simply ignore them or will simply said “wrong” or “wrong assumptions” without giving any proper prove why people are wrong; while also the evidence was clear.

You also didn’t make any good point and said “bad faith” multiple times and “don’t ridiculize yourself” to Sigran while it’s crystal clear which side is ridiculing himself, only to explain yourself in the end; not from the first time Sigran made an argument with you. You’re sorry not because you’re really sorry but you’re sorry because you feel threatened. Sorry not sorry but some people need to get a huge slap on the face to get back on reality. I really want to say to you to stop ridiculing, but you’re beyond saving.

IDGAF if after this you’ll reply or not. Like you said: not worth replying to.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

- This pic of daifuku was a shortcut for Oda this has nothing to do with Carrot's ability in the look out post

A shortcut to remind people that Carrot is not a good lookout...

- Carrot DID spot the fleet and DID avert the strawhat (if not, they would be dead right now)

But didn't spot Daifuku's genie... Lame...

- Carrot has been a look out for 2/3 of whole cake and you are picking a panel where she is surprised (for good reasons) to ignore all that. that's double bad faith.

Because Usopp is not around...

- By this logic Nami would have never have to avoid a tornado, Jinbe would have been ahead of all the fleets (you see the bad logic ?)

Because? That's not a good comparison...

You are just trying to find a way to downplay the fact that Carrot is a look out . Why ? because this is the worst argument for all of you as Yamato don't have anything to give in return.

It's not our fault that Carrot is being downplayed... It is what it is... Carrot is not a topnotch lookout... She's a flop...

Analyse the story correctly.

You should... No need to blind and incorrectly overanalyze...

I'm not bias

Username is a propaganda, not bias... Yeah right...

Disadvantaged
1. Carrot doesn't have a story centric arc that entirely focus on her as a character
2. She doesn't have main antagonists that has Hinder progress
3, Most of her personal trauma from the enemies that effect her on personal level have already been resolve by side characters who are non straw hats.

4. Hakiless
5. Non-veteran tier
6. Too dependent
7. The so-called ship role of hers, she's not even good at it
8. Major downgrade for a recruit

 

[Logiko]

Playing victim now huh? Like you’ve never been toxic to anybody LMAO. Totally lame indeed. Many people have debated you without being toxic. Then again you just decided to personally attack them simply because you thought of “wrong assumptions”, “bad faith”, “not worth replying to”.

“There is no point in bringing argument to them, they will be ignored” and yet you’ve come back for I don’t know how many times to reply, while I myself didn’t reply to you. A lot of people made many arguments, counter arguments, points and evidences, yet you also simply ignore them or will simply said “wrong” or “wrong assumptions” without giving any proper prove why people are wrong; while also the evidence was clear.

You also didn’t make any good point and said “bad faith” multiple times “don’t ridiculize yourself” to Sigran, only to explain yourself in the end; not from the first time Sigran made an argument with you. You’re sorry not because you’re really sorry but you’re sorry because you feel threatened. Sorry not sorry but some people need to get a huge slap on the face to get back on reality. I really want to say to you to stop playing victim, but you’re beyond saving.

IDGAF if after this you’ll reply or not. Like you said: not worth replying to.

This message was no adressed to you. Trust me that if you keep attacking with toxicity, I will weapon up. I warned Sigran about this bad faith argument (Daifuku coming in and Carrot seeemingly not seeing him) because we all know that it is a non argument just meant to downplay Carrot role as a look out. And I respect his argumentation enough to not want to see him ridiculizing himself with that type of bad faith arguments.

I'm sorry to Sigran, not to you. Don't mix up the line. I'll keep fighting your toxicity if I have to.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Yamato's disadvantage
1. doesn't have role on the crew
2. Her oden's persona is also holding her back.
3. Hasn't met all the strawhat yet except for Franky

These 3 points have 1 simple answer: not yet, not yet, and not yet. Wano arc is about to end, but it’s still ongoing. Everything can happen later once Kaido is being dealt with, and for the number 3 point it can happen when everybody’s trying to save Onigashima from falling.

 

[Logiko]

A shortcut to remind people that Carrot is not a good lookout...



But didn't spot Daifuku's genie... Lame...



Because Usopp is not around...



Because? That's not a good comparison...



It's not our fault that Carrot is being downplayed... It is what it is... Carrot is not a topnotch lookout... She's a flop...



You should... No need to blind and incorrectly overanalyze...



Username is a propaganda, not bias... Yeah right...



4. Hakiless
5. Non-veteran tier
6. Too dependent
7. The so-called ship role of hers, she's not even good at it
8. Major downgrade for a recruit

Read again the story, that's all I can say to you

 

[Outlaw]

The other Strawhats don't matter all you need is a connection with Luffy.

 

[Logiko]

These 3 points have 1 simple answer: not yet, not yet, and not yet. Wano arc is about to end, but it’s still ongoing. Everything can happen later once Kaido is being dealt with, and for the number 3 point it can happen when everybody’s trying to save Onigashima from falling.

The thing is it has never be the case in the story. A strawhat is ALWAYS introduced very early with a capacity for a post. Those are shadowing, they are important.

Now, we are already very late in the introduction of Yamato, we already know most of what we must know about her. And right now, we are bless with 0 introduction for a capacity to any post whatsowever.. for her. So I ask you, do you think Oda will change his pattern and wait for the end of the arc to introduce a capacity of Yamato for a post, and if so, to what post ?