General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Not to me? Lmao you called Sigran and took an example from my post and you said not to me? Let me quote:”See @Sigran101 this is the kind of behavior I’m facing. Some people here are not here to debate but to destroy. There is no point in bringing argument to them, they will be ignored.” Whose post were you quoting then if it’s not from me or whose post were you referring to if it not for me? It’s not a downplay nor is it a bad faith argument, but it is the evidence that Carrot is indeed a terrible lookout. You’re denying it, is bad faith.
I clearly said the sorry thing after my point that you personally attacking Sigran. I never thought that your sorry was for me, don’t care too anyway. Don’t worry, I’m not as dumb as you are to comprehend things.
Robin’s role as a Poneglyph reader was revealed near the end of Alabasta arc, and her role was revealed after almost every Straw Hat but Luffy about to defeat Crocodile. I can’t answer correctly what will Yamato role be, but again, everything can happen as the arc is still ongoing. The fights are not yet finished, even Sanji Zoro and Luffy are still fighting right now.
your question of what role will Yamato have isn’t making Carrot’s supposed role as a lookout to be a stronger argument, especially with the clear evidence that she failed to notice a huge genie approaching Sunny.
And for the record, didn’t you say there is no point to bring argumentation because some people come to destroy, and I will be ignored, as you made an example from what I posted? I didn’t even reply to you anyway. Didn’t you say: not worth replying to?
I clearly said the sorry thing after my point that you personally attacking Sigran. I never thought that your sorry was for me, don’t care too anyway. Don’t worry, I’m not as dumb as you are to comprehend things.
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Robin’s role as a Poneglyph reader was revealed near the end of Alabasta arc, and her role was revealed after almost every Straw Hat but Luffy about to defeat Crocodile. I can’t answer correctly what will Yamato role be, but again, everything can happen as the arc is still ongoing. The fights are not yet finished, even Sanji Zoro and Luffy are still fighting right now.
your question of what role will Yamato have isn’t making Carrot’s supposed role as a lookout to be a stronger argument, especially with the clear evidence that she failed to notice a huge genie approaching Sunny.
And for the record, didn’t you say there is no point to bring argumentation because some people come to destroy, and I will be ignored, as you made an example from what I posted? I didn’t even reply to you anyway. Didn’t you say: not worth replying to?
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I'm sorry if appear again as presumptious but ask yourself a question:
What is an archeologist on a ship ?
The answer is the following:
A guide. In One Piece, the ones who reads the anciant text are the ones who guide the ships.
That is .. again one of Oda's trick. By milking the theme of the guide through Robin (remember she is the one who guided the Strawhat to skypea) oda is making a point : Robin is more than an archeologist on the ship, she is the cap giver.
Now.. let's go back to the first chapter of her introduction. I'll let you go to chapter 114 and read two thing:
- First you will read and try to understand what Robin is trying to do in that chapter
- Then you will read the title of the chapter both in japanese and english
And you can continue reading
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Yup.. you got it. A guide, a cap. When I'm explaining that each strawhat are being introduced with the very capacity of their post, I'm not joking, for most of them it's in the very first pages:
- Brook : Singing
- Robin : Guiding
- Nami : Predicting the weather
- Sanji : Cooking
- Luffy : Being brave
- Chopper : As a assistant doctor
For the others, it is done in the very few chapter following the introduction:
- Zoro: Fighting
- Usopp: Snipping
Only two exception where those introduction for the role came a BIT later
- Franky: Needed a boat to build
- Jinbe : Needed a boat to navigate
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For Carrot it's the same. First pages of her introduction : Sentry/look-out.
I'm really not exagerating by saying that Carrot has been introduced as a look out and that is her role. It's part of a pattern Oda has been installing since the beginning of the story.
Of course it could be THE exception in the ENTIRE story where a secondary character is presented at the job of a crewmate.. but the probability for it to be the case are close to none. Oda loves his pattern. Making Carrot have the role of a crewmate just for fun would be senseless from his part.
What make the most sence here:
- Oda introduced a crewmate role to a secondary character for the first time in the entire story just for fun
Or
- Oda introduced a crewmate role to a secondary character because this character will play a role as a crewmate
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Again...
- Carrot doesn't need her own arc (co-protagonist)
- Carrot doesn't need a tragic past
- Carrot doesn't need the main villain of the arc be defeated by Luffy
Carrot doesn't need to have the same pattern that all the others StrawHats have... It doesn't matter that in the longest arc Oda has ever released, she's just a background character...
Carrot has already accomplished her dream, we only need an ending, she will probably do something with Sulong before Wano ends to finish the character.
Or we need to expect to fight against BlackBeard Pirates, WG(Marines), Shanks?, etc always in night time, with clear weather and only when the Full Moon is available? Or will Chopper create Rumble balls for her? Female Chopper?
- Carrot doesn't need her own arc (co-protagonist)
- Carrot doesn't need a tragic past
- Carrot doesn't need the main villain of the arc be defeated by Luffy
Carrot doesn't need to have the same pattern that all the others StrawHats have... It doesn't matter that in the longest arc Oda has ever released, she's just a background character...
Carrot has already accomplished her dream, we only need an ending, she will probably do something with Sulong before Wano ends to finish the character.
Or we need to expect to fight against BlackBeard Pirates, WG(Marines), Shanks?, etc always in night time, with clear weather and only when the Full Moon is available? Or will Chopper create Rumble balls for her? Female Chopper?
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I'm sorry if appear again as presumptious but ask yourself a question:
What is an archeologist on a ship ?
The answer is the following:
A guide. In One Piece, the ones who reads the anciant text are the ones who guide the ships.
That is .. again one of Oda's trick. By milking the theme of the guide through Robin (remember she is the one who guided the Strawhat to skypea) oda is making a point : Robin is more than an archeologist on the ship, she is the cap giver.
Now.. let's go back to the first chapter of her introduction. I'll let you go to chapter 114 and read two thing:
- First you will read and try to understand what Robin is trying to do in that chapter
- Then you will read the title of the chapter both in japanese and english
And you can continue reading
--
Yup.. you got it. A guide, a cap. When I'm explaining that each strawhat are being introduced with the very capacity of their post, I'm not joking, for most of them it's in the very first pages:
- Brook : Singing
- Robin : Guiding
- Nami : Predicting the weather
- Sanji : Cooking
- Luffy : Being brave
- Chopper : As a assistant doctor
For the others, it is done in the very few chapter following the introduction:
- Zoro: Fighting
- Usopp: Snipping
Only two exception where those introduction for the role came a BIT later
- Franky: Needed a boat to build
- Jinbe : Needed a boat to navigate
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For Carrot it's the same. First pages of her introduction : Sentry/look-out.
I'm really not exagerating by saying that Carrot has been introduced as a look out and that is her role. It's part of a pattern Oda has been installing since the beginning of the story.
Of course it could be THE exception in the ENTIRE story where a secondary character is presented at the job of a crewmate.. but the probability for it to be the case are close to none. Oda loves his pattern. Making Carrot have the role of a crewmate just for fun would be senseless from his part.
What make the most sence here:
- Oda introduced a crewmate role to a secondary character for the first time in the entire story just for fun
Or
- Oda introduced a crewmate role to a secondary character because this character will play a role as a crewmate
During enies lobby sogeking shot down the
government flag.
As well saving Robin life from being taken away.
As well him using saving the strawhat from underwater boulders.
As well using snipping skill alongside with nami against baby 5 and Buffalo
As well him saving luffy from turning into a toy unlocking observation haki.
Even shooting drunks guard at onigashima entrance.
https://youtu.be/btKJInX-J0Y
Hate admit your not wrong. But Ussop had done a lot long range shots with saving members of his crew throughout the years. One of his main opponent is going shot things from far distance One Piece Van Augur Greatest Sniper - YouTube
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I'm sorry if appear again as presumptious but ask yourself a question:
What is an archeologist on a ship ?
The answer is the following:
A guide. In One Piece, the ones who reads the anciant text are the ones who guide the ships.
That is .. again one of Oda's trick. By milking the theme of the guide through Robin (remember she is the one who guided the Strawhat to skypea) oda is making a point : Robin is more than an archeologist on the ship, she is the cap giver.
Now.. let's go back to the first chapter of her introduction. I'll let you go to chapter 114 and read two thing:
- First you will read and try to understand what Robin is trying to do in that chapter
- Then you will read the title of the chapter both in japanese and english
And you can continue reading
--
Yup.. you got it. A guide, a cap. When I'm explaining that each strawhat are being introduced with the very capacity of their post, I'm not joking, for most of them it's in the very first pages:
- Brook : Singing
- Robin : Guiding
- Nami : Predicting the weather
- Sanji : Cooking
- Luffy : Being brave
- Chopper : As a assistant doctor
For the others, it is done in the very few chapter following the introduction:
- Zoro: Fighting
- Usopp: Snipping
Only two exception where those introduction for the role came a BIT later
- Franky: Needed a boat to build
- Jinbe : Needed a boat to navigate
---
For Carrot it's the same. First pages of her introduction : Sentry/look-out.
I'm really not exagerating by saying that Carrot has been introduced as a look out and that is her role. It's part of a pattern Oda has been installing since the beginning of the story.
Of course it could be THE exception in the ENTIRE story where a secondary character is presented at the job of a crewmate.. but the probability for it to be the case are close to none. Oda loves his pattern. Making Carrot have the role of a crewmate just for fun would be senseless from his part.
What make the most sence here:
- Oda introduced a crewmate role to a secondary character for the first time in the entire story just for fun
Or
- Oda introduced a crewmate role to a secondary character because this character will play a role as a crewmate
Robin’s first appearance where she gave the crew an Eternal Log Pose has nothing to do with her ability as a Poneglyph reader which was revealed many chapters later, near the end, where her real name was also revealed. We can’t deny the fact that Robin’s role as a Poneglyph reader was revealed near the end of Alabasta arc; and her Archaeologist role was officialized after she joined. She was an enemy, and if you said that she was the guide, Luffy was right not to trust her because she might take them into a trap. Even with her ability as a Poneglyph reader, Robin lied to Crocodile about the Pluton, because she decided she didn’t want to reveal the truth to Crocodile.
and also, with you’re saying that Carrot’s role is a look-out, only for her to fail to notice the threat which came in the form of Daifuku’s genie upon Sunny, means that she has never been an impressive look-out; not even a decent one. Again, she was being a look-out because Usopp wasn’t there. Once the crew reunited, Usopp became the look-out again. And it’s the real evidence, from the real panel pages, not bad faith arguments as you imply many times. You’re denying the fact that Carrot failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approach to Sunny and put everyone almost in danger, that is a bad faith. Here are also examples & evidences:
the fact that even in her introduction chapter Carrot failed to notice Luffy going to the Whale Forest, and failed to notice the rest of others ever since they came to Zou, that they were able to get into the gate means that she has never been an impressive look out; again, not even a decent one. Even before the fact that she failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approaching Sunny in WCI, she failed to be what supposed to be a proper look-out job for not noticing Luffy and others entering Zou.
so far she has failed many times with her supposedly look-out role:
- failed to realize that Bariete, the gate-keeper, was missing earlier
- failed to notice Straw Hats and others entering Zou’s gate
- failed to notice Luffy ran straight into the Whale Forest
- failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approaching Sunny
And again, those are facts; and no Straw Hat or potential Straw Hat has failed in such degree.
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Interesting take, Wanda's more of a Lookout than Carrot as she was clueless that someone ran passed her and infiltrated the whale forest.. Anyway if any Lookout is supposed to join they will need to be special at it like Jinbei is at the helm and that's definitely not Carrot.. At best she's average at it, but the way she's portrayed she's bad at it..
precisely. If she were indeed an impressive lookout, she should have been aware any times necessary. She’s too late noticing Bariete was not in his post, only for Straw Hats and others to finally entered the gate, and Luffy ran really fast into the forbidden Whale Forest. Lucky that it was our main protagonists who entered the gate of Zou, imagine if it was Jack again, or in worst case scenario Kaido himself. Zou would’ve been done for
It's funny because the real Oden also met only Franky. In both cases they barely interacted but still.
So far I personally think Yamato is a princess of Wano like Shirahoshi and Rebecca were in their respectful arcs (there are more princess examples of course), or rather the princess of Onigashima raid. The act 3 is so long it's longer than WCI you can call it it's own arc at this point. The first two acts had Komurasaki/Hiyori. And Oda just can't live without having at least one princess per arc it seems. She had a backstory but it's shallow and not Straw hat like, rather like a princess like or the current arc-character like. As far as we know Oda gives every Straw hat a unique background setting, a former "family" and tight circle of people that shaped up the character in it's young days. Like, idk how to name it, like their own little world Oda invented for them and them only, you get what I mean? Also a unique benefactor character they used to live with and loved but lost. I'm sorry but Ace is everyone's bicycle at this point. First Luffy's, then Sabo's, then (insert a bunch of characters), and Tama's and Yamato's at last.
To me it feels like Yamato is going to be a function character that will drop a bunch of reveals or maybe she'll accompany for a while but I don't see her as a character Oda planned to make a Straw hat for decades. Her original design was a fat riceball-looking dude named Ninigi ffs. I guess it changed after Oda read the Rose of Versaille manga. Yamato is weird and the way marketing team hypes her up is also weird considering how Oda hates for his plot twists being spoiled. So maybe they aren't spoiling anything in the first place. She's very pretty, her color scheme is very pretty, ppl like her so Shueisha is using it.
I agree Yamato is definitely a unique looking character and her introduction was unexpected and kinda baity even (let me on your ship) but in the story itself she doesn't fit like a SH (so far), she is more like a character who spices things up and keeps them more interesting. Which is what every author wants.
So far I personally think Yamato is a princess of Wano like Shirahoshi and Rebecca were in their respectful arcs (there are more princess examples of course), or rather the princess of Onigashima raid. The act 3 is so long it's longer than WCI you can call it it's own arc at this point. The first two acts had Komurasaki/Hiyori. And Oda just can't live without having at least one princess per arc it seems. She had a backstory but it's shallow and not Straw hat like, rather like a princess like or the current arc-character like. As far as we know Oda gives every Straw hat a unique background setting, a former "family" and tight circle of people that shaped up the character in it's young days. Like, idk how to name it, like their own little world Oda invented for them and them only, you get what I mean? Also a unique benefactor character they used to live with and loved but lost. I'm sorry but Ace is everyone's bicycle at this point. First Luffy's, then Sabo's, then (insert a bunch of characters), and Tama's and Yamato's at last.
To me it feels like Yamato is going to be a function character that will drop a bunch of reveals or maybe she'll accompany for a while but I don't see her as a character Oda planned to make a Straw hat for decades. Her original design was a fat riceball-looking dude named Ninigi ffs. I guess it changed after Oda read the Rose of Versaille manga. Yamato is weird and the way marketing team hypes her up is also weird considering how Oda hates for his plot twists being spoiled. So maybe they aren't spoiling anything in the first place. She's very pretty, her color scheme is very pretty, ppl like her so Shueisha is using it.
I agree Yamato is definitely a unique looking character and her introduction was unexpected and kinda baity even (let me on your ship) but in the story itself she doesn't fit like a SH (so far), she is more like a character who spices things up and keeps them more interesting. Which is what every author wants.
I do not agree with that Yamato is like the "princess of the arc". Traditionally the princess in one piece is usually damsel in distress who cannot really fend for themselves without Luffy or any strawhat being able to inspire them to be better leaders. Most princess that you just name were crybabies and that do not have self-confidence in themselves. Some of the princess in those respect arcs were well love and care for by their families. An individual who represents the princess trope that you just mention would be Momonosuke. Yamato unlike other princess does not consider the place she was raised to be her home.
Yamato has lot more common with Sanij than any other princess. Both had strict and abusive fathers that had high expectation for their child to be something greater for them. They were both prisoners under their father’s organizations, had explosives cuff on their wrist that prevent them from leaving their family, hate dads and hate their bloodlines that tie to them their fathers and let us not also forget they were both starve to death. Unlike Sanji Yamato did not have any other relatives who really showed her compassion. It was samurai, ace, and the random beast pirate who showed they care about her wellbeing. However, the thing with Ace though, is he did not have advance form of Haki to free her and could not keep his promise to liberate Wano. Sanji had one sibling that care about him, and he was free from his father grasp. When he met zeff he met someone with common goal like he did. Luffy defeating Kaido allows Yamato to live her life.
Finally, Yamato unlike most princess she was mostly eager to meet Luffy. She was at least able to by sometime until Luffy had arrive that both King, Queen and Jimbei acknowledge her importance within the arc. She is not at all interested babysitting Momonosuke and being one of his retainers. As well she does not want to take over her father’s organizations, she wants to be a service for Luffy and the rest of the strawhats. Princess in one piece they were not trying to join the strawhats and leaving the place they call home. They just wanted things go back normal or zero. The only thing that princess usually suggested to make promise that they meet again, would they consider them a friend of theirs or other additional promises .
Yamato has lot more common with Sanij than any other princess. Both had strict and abusive fathers that had high expectation for their child to be something greater for them. They were both prisoners under their father’s organizations, had explosives cuff on their wrist that prevent them from leaving their family, hate dads and hate their bloodlines that tie to them their fathers and let us not also forget they were both starve to death. Unlike Sanji Yamato did not have any other relatives who really showed her compassion. It was samurai, ace, and the random beast pirate who showed they care about her wellbeing. However, the thing with Ace though, is he did not have advance form of Haki to free her and could not keep his promise to liberate Wano. Sanji had one sibling that care about him, and he was free from his father grasp. When he met zeff he met someone with common goal like he did. Luffy defeating Kaido allows Yamato to live her life.
Finally, Yamato unlike most princess she was mostly eager to meet Luffy. She was at least able to by sometime until Luffy had arrive that both King, Queen and Jimbei acknowledge her importance within the arc. She is not at all interested babysitting Momonosuke and being one of his retainers. As well she does not want to take over her father’s organizations, she wants to be a service for Luffy and the rest of the strawhats. Princess in one piece they were not trying to join the strawhats and leaving the place they call home. They just wanted things go back normal or zero. The only thing that princess usually suggested to make promise that they meet again, would they consider them a friend of theirs or other additional promises .
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I suggest you do the same.
That's all I can say to you.
And yet that's just your subjective point of view.
You are placing a panel with no words to suggest a possibility of joining over panels that do suggest possibilities of joining.
Sorry but I think your wires are getting mixed along the way.
That's all I can say to you.
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Atm Carrot seems less likely to join than Yamao.
But if we being honest and compare the scenarios when both characters shined the most.
Nothing of Yamao's scene wins over this scene yet.
At that WCI moment, I was convinced "oh damn, the next nakama is sealed." while none of Yamao's scene convinced me as much as that scene so far.
Yet then Oda picks the different route and Carrot got placed in the background again in Wano. She didn't even defeat Perospero herself, contrary to what people (even those who dislike Carrot) seem to agreed together before.
But if we being honest and compare the scenarios when both characters shined the most.
Nothing of Yamao's scene wins over this scene yet.
At that WCI moment, I was convinced "oh damn, the next nakama is sealed." while none of Yamao's scene convinced me as much as that scene so far.
Yet then Oda picks the different route and Carrot got placed in the background again in Wano. She didn't even defeat Perospero herself, contrary to what people (even those who dislike Carrot) seem to agreed together before.
You are placing a panel with no words to suggest a possibility of joining over panels that do suggest possibilities of joining.
Sorry but I think your wires are getting mixed along the way.
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Archaelogist itself has never been an official role in a ship. If you’re saying that Archaeologist is a guide, you clearly don’t understand a thing about Archaeologist. Archaelogist in One Piece is a dangerous role because it is the role of revelation, not guidance. Robin’s role is to reveal: reveal the truth, reveal the way, reveal the history, etc. If you say that the ones who read ancient text are the ones who guides the ship, then Oden should be the guide of Roger Pirates since he knew about Poneglyph; but the reality is, he wasn’t. He was there to reveal the truth, by giving messages on Poneglyph steles with Poneglyph language.
Robin’s first appearance where she gave the crew an Eternal Log Pose has nothing to do with her ability as a Poneglyph reader which was revealed many chapters later, near the end, where her real name was also revealed. We can’t deny the fact that Robin’s role as a Poneglyph reader was revealed near the end of Alabasta arc; and her Archaeologist role was officialized after she joined. She was an enemy, and if you said that she was the guide, Luffy was right not to trust her because she might take them into a trap. Even with her ability as a Poneglyph reader, Robin lied to Crocodile about the Pluton, because she decided she didn’t want to reveal the truth to Crocodile.
and also, with you’re saying that Carrot’s role is a look-out, only for her to fail to notice the threat which came in the form of Daifuku’s genie upon Sunny, means that she has never been an impressive look-out; not even a decent one. Again, she was being a look-out because Usopp wasn’t there. Once the crew reunited, Usopp became the look-out again. And it’s the real evidence, from the real panel pages, not bad faith arguments as you imply many times. You’re denying the fact that Carrot failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approach to Sunny and put everyone almost in danger, that is a bad faith. Here are also examples & evidences:
the fact that even in her introduction chapter Carrot failed to notice Luffy going to the Whale Forest, and failed to notice the rest of others ever since they came to Zou, that they were able to get into the gate means that she has never been an impressive look out; again, not even a decent one. Even before the fact that she failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approaching Sunny in WCI, she failed to be what supposed to be a proper look-out job for not noticing Luffy and others entering Zou.
so far she has failed many times with her supposedly look-out role:
- failed to realize that Bariete, the gate-keeper, was missing earlier
- failed to notice Straw Hats and others entering Zou’s gate
- failed to notice Luffy ran straight into the Whale Forest
- failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approaching Sunny
And again, those are facts; and no Straw Hat or potential Straw Hat has failed in such degree.
Robin’s first appearance where she gave the crew an Eternal Log Pose has nothing to do with her ability as a Poneglyph reader which was revealed many chapters later, near the end, where her real name was also revealed. We can’t deny the fact that Robin’s role as a Poneglyph reader was revealed near the end of Alabasta arc; and her Archaeologist role was officialized after she joined. She was an enemy, and if you said that she was the guide, Luffy was right not to trust her because she might take them into a trap. Even with her ability as a Poneglyph reader, Robin lied to Crocodile about the Pluton, because she decided she didn’t want to reveal the truth to Crocodile.
and also, with you’re saying that Carrot’s role is a look-out, only for her to fail to notice the threat which came in the form of Daifuku’s genie upon Sunny, means that she has never been an impressive look-out; not even a decent one. Again, she was being a look-out because Usopp wasn’t there. Once the crew reunited, Usopp became the look-out again. And it’s the real evidence, from the real panel pages, not bad faith arguments as you imply many times. You’re denying the fact that Carrot failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approach to Sunny and put everyone almost in danger, that is a bad faith. Here are also examples & evidences:
the fact that even in her introduction chapter Carrot failed to notice Luffy going to the Whale Forest, and failed to notice the rest of others ever since they came to Zou, that they were able to get into the gate means that she has never been an impressive look out; again, not even a decent one. Even before the fact that she failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approaching Sunny in WCI, she failed to be what supposed to be a proper look-out job for not noticing Luffy and others entering Zou.
so far she has failed many times with her supposedly look-out role:
- failed to realize that Bariete, the gate-keeper, was missing earlier
- failed to notice Straw Hats and others entering Zou’s gate
- failed to notice Luffy ran straight into the Whale Forest
- failed to notice Daifuku’s genie approaching Sunny
And again, those are facts; and no Straw Hat or potential Straw Hat has failed in such degree.
And yeah I might appear as presumptious but damn.. is that really the level of this forum ?
But for the fun of it, let me make some BAD FAITH arguments too:
- Zoro failed to notice that Helmeppo's promise was a lie
- Zoro as a fighter failed to beat Mihawk
- Zoro has failed to prevent the dispute between Luffy and Usopp as a first mate
- Nami has failed to sence that they were entering calm belt
- Nami has failed to sence multiple storm (example before whole cake)
- Usopp has failed to strick down Kuro in one shot
- Usopp has failed to take down Trebol
- Sanji has failed to nourrish Luffy before he starved
- Sanji has failed to help the people in the world that are dying from hunger.. damn bad Sanji
- Chopper as failed to heal Luffy on whole cake
- Chopper as failed to heal Zoro on onigashima
Etc. etc.
You see how LOW that logic really is ? You try to counter my argumentation so much that the only thing you can do now is giving me me bad faith arguments..
This is going nowhere you don't understand a thing about the story. If you keep giving me those bad faith argurment. I'll just ignore you now. I don't know what else to do with you now. You're lost
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