General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Cozy Sofa]

Luffy already had 7 captains under him along with 5600 men before the war. 56 = gomu. So I suppose before the grand war he will somehow have managed to gather 56 560 troops (gomu gomu).

I can see 4200 Wano samurai joining with Kinemon as 8th captain bringing the numbers up to 9800. Kinemon already witnessed the formation of the grand fleet and he is a very good commander albeit not as smart as Denjiro thinks, haha.

Then you also have the Fishman pirates since Jinbei joined, say Alladine becomes 9th captain and a further 200 are added making it 10 000 in total.

The minks will join, Inu becomes 10th captain adding 3000 soldiers. 13 000 in total.

I wonder what will happen to the rest of the Kaido forces? Will Luffy gain the pleasures with Tama as 14th captain? Can't remember the amount but say 4000 making the total 17 000.

And then you have Elbaf with say 3000 making it 20 000 in total. Loki 15th captain.

Say Capone joins as 16th captain and adds a further 10 000 making it 30 000.

Germa joins with a further 6666 making it 36 666. Judge as 17th captain.

I wonder how we're gonna find a further 20.000? Although nothing states it has to become a grand total of 56 560 but it fits with the numerology all over one piece.

 

[Logiko]

Imo the problem is too many side characters, not too many strawhats. Take out the dukes, Tama, Drake, and a couple of the scabbards and there's easily room for a few more strawhats without even making the arc longer. It just feels stretched because the strawhats aren't really the main focus anymore.

Yes, because every Strawhat but Robin was fucking obvious. I legitimately have no idea where this "it's too obvious" argument comes from. Oda has never focused on "subverting expectations" when it comes to new crew members. They're usually very telegraphed from almost the moment they're introduced. Luffy literally invited Brook to join the second they met, and they only set foot on Thriller Bark to get his shadow back. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

Some context:

You don't take two parameters into question: The experience of Oda and the time passed since the last strawhat.

We are not in the real of simple village anymore, we are in a battle were dozens of character are thrown into the mix with multiple possibilities and good candidates.

Oda has been focused on subverting expectation on EVERY corner of his story, sometimes without success but some other time with darn good one. If that's not by recruiting someone specific, it will be by the manner it is done. And right now this is not about the manner, but about the "who"

"WHO" will be the next strawhat after Jinbe? This question is EVERY WHERE. Even in the official "blog". The question of "who" is not just a play anymore, it's the future fudging biggest revelation in the darn story!!

And Oda knows that. He know that people are making theories and assumptions about dozen of character and he knows about the present hype surrounding Yamato. Why do you think that character by herself gets more clout that even Oden did at the time ? Oda knows how much people are rooting for Carrot, for Yamato or even for Law.. and he is playing with that since the beginning.

Now the question is, do you REALLY think Oda would be that obvious for such a revelation ? Look at all the biggest revelation in the last decade or so.. Raizo is Safe / The time travel / The smiles.. Do you think Oda would just pass on the opportunity to surprise people on the biggest question the fan are discussing about?

Oda is clever, sometimes even too clever for his own good, and he likes to show off.. so the answer is.. nah he would never pass on such an opportunity.

No, you’re right, he’s much more likely to turn a character who has existed for more than 200 chapters but has only done two things that are even worth noting in passing (much less helpful/substantial/vital to the plot) and has watched other characters usurp every single bit of potential from her story and doesn’t have any interactions/feats that realistically telegraph her chances into a main protagonist only surpassed in importance by Luffy…like, do you and dizzy even hear yourselves anymore, or is it a matter of just posting whatever words are formed by your tears splashing against the screen??

Yup it's more likely. Because of what I just said. (even if most of what you said is wrong of course)

 

[thedarkdragon11]

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I don't feel Tama shall tag along, she will arguably stay with Momo and remain his friend.

Tama already mentioned that she wanted to live under Momo's regime, so yes... And I believe Tama will become one of Momo's retainers in order for her army to work under the new shogun...

The interest of Carrot for Giants has already been setup, I could very well see a mini-arc for Carrot during Elbaf or later. It doesn't need to be huge, just enough to explore a bit of her desire to join Luffy and his adventure.

Do you think Oda would be that obvious about such a revelation as the next strawhat ?

I'm pretty sure you won't understand how Oda groomed and hinted who the next SH will be... You even fell into one of Oda's trap in Carrot... I already mentioned this before: Carrot is just a part of Oda's foreshadowing of Yamato... Alongside Carrot are other SH candidates since the NW such as Kin'emon, Rebecca, Pudding, Tama, among others...

Why is Carrot the only Kingbird with Wanda ?

Why is Wanda the only Kingbird with Carrot? Yeah right very interesting...

Why is Carrot the only Mink seemingly able to float without Sulong ?

How did it became possible for Chopper to fell inlove with a mink? This one's more interesting...

Why does Carrot has a green Cape and not a blue one?

Why does Tenguyama wear mask? Why Scotch doesn't look like he's a BP member?

Lol bad example, he was recruited on first sight

And Carrot was never recruited...

Exactly. That's why I think more strawhats won't be a problem.

Yes, the SHs only need an arc or 2 without any panel freeloaders with them...

I wonder how we're gonna find a further 20.000? Although nothing states it has to become a grand total of 56 560 but it fits with the numerology all over one piece.

Revolutionary Army?

 

[Logiko]

None of those are mysteries and honestly its quite sad you think they are or big ideas/spots for Characterization.

Like how pathetic are you?

So answer those three questions

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Tama already mentioned that she wanted to live under Momo's regime, so yes... And I believe Tama will become one of Momo's retainers in order for her army to work under the new shogun...







I'm pretty sure you won't understand how Oda groomed and hinted who the next SH will be... You even fell into one of Oda's trap in Carrot... I already mentioned this before: Carrot is just a part of Oda's foreshadowing of Yamato... Alongside Carrot are other SH candidates since the NW such as Kin'emon, Rebecca, Pudding, Tama, among others...



Why is Wanda the only Kingbird with Carrot? Yeah right very interesting...



How did it became possible for Chopper to fell inlove with a mink? This one's more interesting...



Why does Tenguyama wear mask? Why Scotch doesn't look like he's a BP member?



And Carrot was never recruited...



Yes, the SHs only need an arc or 2 without any panel freeloaders with them...



Revolutionary Army?

Lol the deny is strong with this one

 

[Outlaw]

So answer those three questions

They don't matter

 

[Logiko]

They don't matter

Who decides what matter and what does not matter in the story ?

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Lol the deny is strong with this one

With bad faith arguments of yours, it's what normal people does...

Who decides what matter and what does not matter in the story ?

Definitely not you...

 

[Logiko]

With bad faith arguments of yours, it's what normal people does...



Definitely not you...

MY bad faith argument ? Damn, you are lucky not to get controlled by a sceptic guyz

Such a bully mentality.. lol

 

[Outlaw]

Who decides what matter and what does not matter in the story ?

They don't matter the fact you think they do is sad.

Are we gonna have a story about Robins hat from when she was first introduced?

Why Luffy is called Luffy?

Why Sanji doesn't wear a pinstrip suit?

So many questions

 

[Logiko]

They don't matter the fact you think they do is sad.

Are we gonna have a story about Robins hat from when she was first introduced?

Why Luffy is called Luffy?

Why Sanji doesn't wear a pinstrip suit?

So many questions

Again, who say what matter and what does not matter ?

Those are not baseless question, they are representative of holes in the narration. The circle of night and day was created by Oda with a fonction and the fact that Carrot and wanda are the only two mink allowed to go by between the Kings SHOULD raise questions. At least in the realm of good analysts.

Same for the cape, Carrot being the only Mink with a cape different from her faction is noticable enough to raise question. Of course it subtle, so it should be dealt with in the same way.

As for Carrot's capacity to float, it is still unexplained.. and this SHOULD raise questions too.

I'm not simply talking about the color of Carrot's teeshirt here, but specific characterisations paramaters. If those questions does not interest you in anyway, fine. But saying that they don't matter is just the proof that you are not doing an analysis, you are just blabbering around..

 

[Outlaw]

characterisations paramaters lol they are pointless

How far up your own ass are you?

 

[Staticshadic]

Why is Carrot the only Kingbird with Wanda ?
Why is Carrot the only Mink seemingly able to float without Sulong ?
Why does Carrot has a green Cape and not a blue one?

Seriously that's your big mystery surrounding carrot's character come on you can make better excuse than that

 

[Finalbeta]

I don´t think so. Carrot doesn´t have a "mistery" story to discover like Sanji, Nami or Robin. She didn´t have an own arc because her past wasn´t sad. (Maybe Pedro is alive)

I hope Pedro isn't alive at least, that would feel so much like bad writing. Not that it was always perfect in the past to put it mildly.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

I hope Pedro isn't alive at least, that would feel so much like bad writing. Not that it was always perfect in the past to put it mildly.

Will of the P...

 

[ShinichiMugi]

Oda just introduced this plot. None of us know where it's going. If I had to guess, it's because of the numbers with Apoo being the samurai from the cave, and X Drake just happened to be there, so she attacked him thinking he was still an enemy. There are a million ways Oda could go with it. To assume that Oda set all of this up so that Yamato could fight someone who holds their weapons in the shape of an x as a hint at her joining the crew is one of the biggest stretches I've seen on this forum.

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And again, if the name Diez and the x theme hint at anyone, it's Drake himself, not Yamato.

This sounds a little obnoxious not gonna lie

 

[Electricmastro]

Can't wait for the Straw Hat antics with the oni lady up ahead. lol

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Can't wait for the Straw Hat antics with the oni lady up ahead. lol

I can see her goofing around with Luffy, Usopp and Chopper (sometimes with Sanji, Franky or Brook), believing with Usopp lies like Chopper, going to danger areas only for Sanjji to come along to "protect her", being amazed with Franky's tech, among others...

 

[Flagandhat]

Why is Carrot the only Kingbird with Wanda ?
Why is Carrot the only Mink seemingly able to float without Sulong ?
Why does Carrot has a green Cape and not a blue one?
If there is no mystery in Carrot for you, I bet you can answer ALL these questions easily.

1 - Because Carrot is not unique, so she is a king bird, as wanda. (Wanda also was with carrot when jimbe appeared)
2 - Because she can jump so high and sulong makes it better
3 - Because Carrot is like vivi and they had a special colour. Pedro is pell 2.0.

I hope Pedro isn't alive at least, that would feel so much like bad writing. Not that it was always perfect in the past to put it mildly.

I agree with you. But this is One Piece. Look at kanjuro, and kinnemon, and kiku who needs help, and pound etc etc etc

 

[dizzy2341]

Yamao's existed for 50 chapters during which she's had practically zero interactions (meaningful or otherwise) with the crew, despite countless opportunities to do so. It's not like Oda's purposefully avoiding having her meet them either since she ran into Franky for a seconds. Just that he has no need to have Yamao properly bond with any of them. That bonding time is reserved for Momo, Shinobu and Wano bound characters. Oda always has future nakama interact with the rest of the crew well before joining, so this is yet another big red flag.

He found time for Tama to bond with the crew, even through the chaos of the raid. Rather the chaos makes it easier because of how much characters move around and have opportunity to run into one another.

Carrot though simply can't be beaten in this area. Oda talked about how the straw hats aren't just friends but essentially a family. Carrot's consistently been portrayed as the little sister figure in the crew. A position that is currently missing, despite being such a prominent relation in families in media.

Oda's own family is composed of his wife and two daughters. One of which is currently 15, the same age as Carrot, whilst the other is 12. It would make sense for Oda to include a crew member into the straw hat family in a role that his own daughters could relate to.

Not to mention the role adds a new dynamic within the crew. Among the girls you'd have 30 year old Robin the mother. 20 year old Nami the eldest daughter. Then 15 year old Carrot the little sister. A nice spread that would see the girls of the crew all fundamentally interact differently with one another.

Nami already tends to act more girly and fun when around Carrot. As opposed to being more mature with Robin and similarly uninterested in things like robots and lasers like the guys.

Spoiler

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

I'm just not feeling Yamato joining.