General & Others We have to stop saying that Kid and Law are Luffy's Shiki and Whitebeard
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Whitebeard is one of the few exceptions to these rules. While he was indeed Roger's longtime rival and dueled/fought him several times in the past, WB's own dream was already completed long ago and makes him content to sail and adventure about without someone breathing down his neck all the time. The only other rival to Roger at the time, Shiki, had elaborate plans for world domination that would have affected Roger greatly and he got pretty close during Edd War.
Whitebeard never got involved in Roger's desire to go to the last island apart from the Oden situation. It was never suggested that he tried to stop him from pursuing his dream either. Even if you argue about the roles being similar, WB kept mostly to himself in the past, jumping from crew to crew, and overall trained independently to become a monster before and after Rocks. This was done imo so that he could be strong enough to defend his family (or whenever he planned to get one/make a crew).
Both Kidd and Law have dreams that intertwine greatly with Luffy's and make them heavily involved in his affairs.
Law
-Law wants to find the meaning behind the D. name and its checkered fate, meaning he will have to go to Laugh Tale ideally to see the true history or figure it out somehow.
-He has also been in an alliance with Luffy since Punk Hazard but doesn't like being ordered about. I would say they made quite good friends, for now.
Kidd
-Wants to become the pirate king, and like it or not he will have to figure out how to obtain all the poneglypths that Luffy is already steps ahead.
-He is the only supernova that was introduced with Conquerors haki (before any confirmations of armament or observation), and yet Oda is still saving it being used for some reason.
-After Wano, Kidd could become a thorn to Luffy if Oda see's it so, considering that Kidd already had plans to go after Shanks and has taken something from Big Mom.
-Furthermore, Kidd might also go after Luffy directly in an attempt to steal his poneglypths. He's only fighting with Luffy because they share a common enemy and now there's Big Mom to deal with.
Kidd and Law are not WB and Shiki. The only true threat and rival for Luffy so far in the story that has been built up since Jaya is Marshall D. Teach.
Whitebeard never got involved in Roger's desire to go to the last island apart from the Oden situation. It was never suggested that he tried to stop him from pursuing his dream either. Even if you argue about the roles being similar, WB kept mostly to himself in the past, jumping from crew to crew, and overall trained independently to become a monster before and after Rocks. This was done imo so that he could be strong enough to defend his family (or whenever he planned to get one/make a crew).
Both Kidd and Law have dreams that intertwine greatly with Luffy's and make them heavily involved in his affairs.
Law
-Law wants to find the meaning behind the D. name and its checkered fate, meaning he will have to go to Laugh Tale ideally to see the true history or figure it out somehow.
-He has also been in an alliance with Luffy since Punk Hazard but doesn't like being ordered about. I would say they made quite good friends, for now.
Kidd
-Wants to become the pirate king, and like it or not he will have to figure out how to obtain all the poneglypths that Luffy is already steps ahead.
-He is the only supernova that was introduced with Conquerors haki (before any confirmations of armament or observation), and yet Oda is still saving it being used for some reason.
-After Wano, Kidd could become a thorn to Luffy if Oda see's it so, considering that Kidd already had plans to go after Shanks and has taken something from Big Mom.
-Furthermore, Kidd might also go after Luffy directly in an attempt to steal his poneglypths. He's only fighting with Luffy because they share a common enemy and now there's Big Mom to deal with.
Kidd and Law are not WB and Shiki. The only true threat and rival for Luffy so far in the story that has been built up since Jaya is Marshall D. Teach.
It’s a really surface level analysis that basically says “there’s three of these guys, and three of these guys, so they must be the same!”
It’s like saying that Zoro and Nami are the pirate versions of Sengoku and Tsuru because Luffy is Garp’s grandson. There’s nothing actually in common between Zoro/Sengoku or Nami/Tsuru, it relies entirely on the Luffy/Garp relationship that actually exists.
It’s like saying that Zoro and Nami are the pirate versions of Sengoku and Tsuru because Luffy is Garp’s grandson. There’s nothing actually in common between Zoro/Sengoku or Nami/Tsuru, it relies entirely on the Luffy/Garp relationship that actually exists.
Kid is Luffy's shiki. He is the 2nd strongest captain of the supernova and he is conqueror. With awakening, he might even be able to use his fruit similar to shiki's.
Blackbeard is Luffy's whitebeard.
Law is probably to Luffy what Dragon was to Roger.
If we compare Kid to shiki at least, that would still make sense. The rocks pirates were defeated by the roger pirates and Garp. Rayleigh probably defeated shiki, if not someone stronger than shiki(like big mom).
In any case, the very fact that the roger pirates defeated the rocks pirates(with the help of garp), is proof that Shiki was never an equal of Roger's, and in all likelihood, had a similar gap to him that Kid does with Luffy.
How much do you want to bet that the storm that gave Shiki brain damage was actually from Roger's devil fruit or something.
Blackbeard is Luffy's whitebeard.
Law is probably to Luffy what Dragon was to Roger.
If we compare Kid to shiki at least, that would still make sense. The rocks pirates were defeated by the roger pirates and Garp. Rayleigh probably defeated shiki, if not someone stronger than shiki(like big mom).
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In any case, the very fact that the roger pirates defeated the rocks pirates(with the help of garp), is proof that Shiki was never an equal of Roger's, and in all likelihood, had a similar gap to him that Kid does with Luffy.
How much do you want to bet that the storm that gave Shiki brain damage was actually from Roger's devil fruit or something.
I don't think anyone really has the same dream as Luffy
Both kid and law were introduced initially to want to be pirate king. But at least in Law's case, we see that his dream is radically different from Luffy's. He simply wants to learn the history of the D, finding one piece might be part of that, but it isn't really necessity.
Similar to how Law initially talked about finding the one piece, only for his dream to be radically different, I think Oda will do something similar to Kid. I think it will be revealed that similar to Law, Kid has a certain pirate he has a massive grudge against, shanks. And that all his talk of becoming pirate king was simply out of his desire to crush shanks and be a better pirate than shanks.
However it plays out, whenever shanks finally loses his throne(probably due to blackbeard), I don't think Kid will challenge Luffy anymore.
The only people who truly oppose Luffy's dream imo are Akainu, Blackbeard, and Imu.
Both kid and law were introduced initially to want to be pirate king. But at least in Law's case, we see that his dream is radically different from Luffy's. He simply wants to learn the history of the D, finding one piece might be part of that, but it isn't really necessity.
Similar to how Law initially talked about finding the one piece, only for his dream to be radically different, I think Oda will do something similar to Kid. I think it will be revealed that similar to Law, Kid has a certain pirate he has a massive grudge against, shanks. And that all his talk of becoming pirate king was simply out of his desire to crush shanks and be a better pirate than shanks.
However it plays out, whenever shanks finally loses his throne(probably due to blackbeard), I don't think Kid will challenge Luffy anymore.
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The only people who truly oppose Luffy's dream imo are Akainu, Blackbeard, and Imu.
When people call Kidd and Law “the WB and Shiki of this era” its not that they are exactly 1 to 1 parallels with them as characters, it’s about the role they play in the narrative. Kidd and Law are Luffys greatest peers/rivals (In Kidds case more of a rival while in Laws case more of an ally). WB and Shiki were also Rogers greatest peers/rivals. That’s pretty much as far as the “parallel” goes and it’s not like it isn’t true. BB is obviously supposed to be the “Rocks of this era”. Luffy’s greatest pirate nemesis.
Their personality/character does not need to parallel WB/Shiki but their roles in the story obviously do. You’re saying “Luffy is way above Kidd and Law” but that’s not the narrative that’s being set up in the actual story. Just read the latest chapter lol.
Their personality/character does not need to parallel WB/Shiki but their roles in the story obviously do. You’re saying “Luffy is way above Kidd and Law” but that’s not the narrative that’s being set up in the actual story. Just read the latest chapter lol.
Delusional.
Kaido was also damaged by 15 other fighters and is carrying an island. Kidd and Law are facing a healthy Big Mom. Please don’t act like if Luffy wins anyone other than Luffytards will count it as a 1 v 1 lol. Honestly, If Kid and Law beat BM by themselves you could argue it would be more impressive than Luffy’s win.
Kaido was also damaged by 15 other fighters and is carrying an island. Kidd and Law are facing a healthy Big Mom. Please don’t act like if Luffy wins anyone other than Luffytards will count it as a 1 v 1 lol. Honestly, If Kid and Law beat BM by themselves you could argue it would be more impressive than Luffy’s win.
That makes absolutely no sense lol. BB is obviously the Rocks of the new era. The dudes ship is literally named “The Saber of Xebec”. Blackbeard’s relationship with Luffy is not a rivalry. It’s purely antagonistic, there is no mutual respect there like with Roger and WB. That is a rivalry, not what Luffy and Blackbeard have. Kidd is the rival. BB is the arch nemesis. This is very obvious
I dont agree with the scenes you mentioned either. Stealing from BM doesnt portray inferior strength. Just like Luffy flees from Smoker doesn't mean Luffy is inferior. In chap 0, Shiki only hyped WB as the era's king after Roger's execution "its your era now right?", Garp consider Roger a demon differentiating Roger from himself, so imo those again the closer depiction regarding powerlevel compared to begging for Oden or stealing poneglyph.
I dont mean Roger has strength 2 times WB or anything tho, if thats what you assume from my view about Roger > WB. Its just i always think that Roger is clearly above WB even when it's by a small margin.
I dont mean Roger has strength 2 times WB or anything tho, if thats what you assume from my view about Roger > WB. Its just i always think that Roger is clearly above WB even when it's by a small margin.
