General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

Just in case people forgot.

The argument works as it needs to be taken into context. NOWHERE you can see a strawhat rephrasing Luffy and still be called by a nickname even in the case of Brook and Brook wasn't even in the crew.

A nickname means a lack of attention and an amount of disrespect. That's why, when a Nakama say a name, Luffy Name them properly if he is being corrected. This is important because this foreshadow the recrutment of the protagonist into the crew. again, cases and point with Brook. This doesn't happen with Yamao, worst, Yamato corrected Luffy and was frustrated to see that Luffy did not call him right.

So yes, this argument still works. In the narrative context. Only those who are blinded by Yamao can't see that.

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The argument works as it needs to be taken into context. NOWHERE you can see a strawhat rephrasing Luffy and still be called by a nickname even in the case of Brook and Brook wasn't even in the crew.

A nickname means a lack of attention and an amount of disrespect. That's why, when a Nakama say a name, Luffy Name them properly if he is being corrected. This is important because this foreshadow the recrutment of the protagonist into the crew. again, cases and point with Brook. This doesn't happen with Yamao, worst, Yamato corrected Luffy and was frustrated to see that Luffy did not call him right.

So yes, this argument still works. In the narrative context. Only those who are blinded by Yamao can't see that.

Plus we are not with the usual nickname given to the strawhats here like reindeer or ghost deity, we are with Yama-O. litteraly Yama guy, the same nickname Luffy gives to his ally. Given that, nothing tells us that Luffy would just change how he names Yamato out of nowhere.

 

[Staticshadic]

The argument works as it needs to be taken into context. NOWHERE you can see a strawhat rephrasing Luffy and still be called by a nickname even in the case of Brook and Brook wasn't even in the crew.

A nickname means a lack of attention and an amount of disrespect. That's why, when a Nakama say a name, Luffy Name them properly if he is being corrected. This is important because this foreshadow the recrutment of the protagonist into the crew. again, cases and point with Brook. This doesn't happen with Yamao, worst, Yamato corrected Luffy and was frustrated to see that Luffy did not call him right.

So yes, this argument still works. In the narrative context. Only those who are blinded by Yamao can't see that.

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Plus we are not with the usual nickname given to the strawhats here like reindeer or ghost deity, we are with Yama-O. litteraly Yama guy, the same nickname Luffy gives to his ally. Given that, nothing tells us that Luffy would just change how he names Yamato out of nowhere.

IF Yamato ends up joining the crew Luffy will call her by her real name of end of story. Multiple times throughout series Luffy has called his crew nicknames before they even join him in the first place for example


Nami-thief
Sanji-cook
Chopper-deer counts time throughout drum island
Robin-it is you
Franky-speedo man
Brook-korobokkuru and Skelton
JImbei-old man
When they official join or they earn Luffy respect he will be trying to remember their name.
The fact Carrot hasn’t been shown a throughout wano is very telling she might not join the crew at all. She is becoming more like paulie in this instance. As well there seems to be more marketing going for Yamato throughout this arc while carrot has gotten crickets. Even though she made in top ten in poll throughout world it does not seem matter when it comes to the one-piece official youtube channel and to the wano cover in the anime. There are no hints future arc that will tell us anything more about her as character since she has not talk about anything regarding her past life. Yamato has talk about the dawn while carrot has remain silent what is it about. Yamato is doing more things while carrot has been MIA throughout this arc. Carrot personal trauma has resolve by non-strawhats. Yamato situation is being resolve by Luffy and the other strawhats

 

[Logiko]

IF Yamato ends up joining the crew Luffy will call her by her real name of end of story. Multiple times throughout series Luffy has called his crew nicknames before they even join him in the first place for example


Nami-thief
Sanji-cook
Chopper-deer counts time throughout drum island
Robin-it is you
Franky-speedo man
Brook-korobokkuru and Skelton
JImbei-old man
When they official join or they earn Luffy respect he will be trying to remember their name.
The fact Carrot hasn’t been shown a throughout wano is very telling she might not join the crew at all. She is becoming more like paulie in this instance. As well there seems to be more marketing going for Yamato throughout this arc while carrot has gotten crickets. Even though she made in top ten in poll throughout world it does not seem matter when it comes to the one-piece official youtube channel and to the wano cover in the anime. There are no hints future arc that will tell us anything more about her as character since she has not talk about anything regarding her past life. Yamato has talk about the dawn while carrot has remain silent what is it about. Yamato is doing more things while carrot has been MIA throughout this arc. Carrot personal trauma has resolve by non-strawhats. Yamato situation is being resolve by Luffy and the other strawhats

Still

Carrot has everything else that Yamato has not

A post
Interactions with the strawhats
A Nakama shining action
A real moral pillar


Yamato is only closer on the surface. in reality, it's YamaO and she is far behind Carrot. But keep looking at what oda is serving you, this will be interesting for me in the future.

 

[Staticshadic]

Still

Carrot has everything else that Yamato has not

A post
Interactions with the strawhats
A Nakama shining action
A real moral pillar


Yamato is only closer on the surface. in reality, it's YamaO and she is far behind Carrot. But keep looking at what oda is serving you, this will be interesting for me in the future.

Yamato story centric arc ever since act 3
Has more much sadder past worth talking about
The character has actively been involved in this war and various panels rather than being absent
She has had five minute conversation with Luffy with her own personal goals and desires
Luffy and other strawhats are dealing with enemies that personal that effect her life style
Her zone transformation 24/7 suslong already
The marketing is already behind her in the official one piece youtube channel. We have seen her alongside with monster trio volume 100. Even the one piece wano cover for the anime as well.
Yamato has also talk about the dawn pedro mention

If anything carrot is just drifting away being left behind while the other strawhats getting stronger.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

A post
Interactions with the strawhats
A Nakama shining action
A real moral pillar

Like Paulie did in less than 100 chapters, in fact he outpoints Carrot...

Post? Paulie can be a boatswain or a rigger (collectively known as a bosun)...
Interactions with the crew? More than Carrot currently has...
Nakama shining action? He had lots of it...
Moral pillar? WDYM? Like the Pedro thing? Then you have Galley-La incident...

Paulie is more than that... He's also a relevant character in every arc he was present, he is also one of the builders of Sunny, he has a good running gag, he is powerful enough for the level of competition the crew had during those arcs, and he appeared in most of the W7-EL arcs...

Now, how would a less relevant weakling be a more surefire recruit than Paulie was?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

A post
Interactions with the strawhats
A Nakama shining action
A real moral pillar

• Lookout is a position that can be filled by anyone, and in fact has been performed by half of the current SHP with no problem throughout the entire series (and the role argument is bullshit on a fundamental level)
• No interactions with the Dressrosa SHP, and calling her standing around the protagonists without really speaking to them or doing anything of note an “interaction” is complete nonsense
• Tearing a wheel off a ship in WCI =\= holding Kaido off long enough for Luffy to come back, and if I have to explain THAT to you, holy shit
• Moral pillar?? And that makes Yamato immoral?? You have zero evidence for either one, this is straight conjecture and totally illegitimate

Anything else?? We can do this all day, we’ve already done it most days for the last year and a half while Yamato gets more and more attention and the rabbit recedes entirely into the scenery.

 

[Uncle Van]

• Lookout is a position that can be filled by anyone, and in fact has been performed by half of the current SHP with no problem throughout the entire series (and the role argument is bullshit on a fundamental level)
• No interactions with the Dressrosa SHP, and calling her standing around the protagonists without really speaking to them or doing anything of note an “interaction” is complete nonsense
• Tearing a wheel off a ship in WCI =\= holding Kaido off long enough for Luffy to come back, and if I have to explain THAT to you, holy shit
• Moral pillar?? And that makes Yamato immoral?? You have zero evidence for either one, this is straight conjecture and totally illegitimate

Anything else?? We can do this all day, we’ve already done it most days for the last year and a half while Yamato gets more and more attention and the rabbit recedes entirely into the scenery.

Oda said all the SHs perform the lookout position in shifts actually. For Carrot to be the sole lookout, it means she can never sleep and would become even more redundant if she still swaps with the others. Even on the way to Onigashima, Usopp was the lookout even though Carrot was right there.

 

[Sigran101]

Oda said all the SHs perform the lookout position in shifts actually. For Carrot to be the sole lookout, it means she can never sleep and would become even more redundant if she still swaps with the others. Even on the way to Onigashima, Usopp was the lookout even though Carrot was right there.

This is the most damning part. Imo it completely destroys Carrot's case. If she's going to be the lookout then why is Ussop doing her job while she's just standing around on the ship?

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

Oda said all the SHs perform the lookout position in shifts actually. For Carrot to be the sole lookout, it means she can never sleep and would become even more redundant if she still swaps with the others. Even on the way to Onigashima, Usopp was the lookout even though Carrot was right there.

Wow, I didn’t even realize that the lack of sleep would be a real problem for a solo lookout until you pointed it out.

Oda actually said that all the SHs perform the lookout position in shifts? If so, this is damning for Carrot’s chances. The Straw Hats already have a much better lookout system going for them instead of relying on 1 person who will suffer from sleep deprivation.

 

[Uncle Van]

This is the most damning part. Imo it completely destroys Carrot's case. If she's going to be the lookout then why is Ussop doing her job while she's just standing around on the ship?

It's even more damning when you realize Oda wants to retire by age 50(3 years from now) and has repeatedly said that there are things he wants to do bit cant due to lack of time, making sacrifices in order to focus on the story itself. Oda also said that was why the Databooks, Novels, and Vivre Cards are giving so much canon info not addressed in the manga.

Despite all this, Oda's not giving Carrot any attention even though opportunities were right there. Not even any Wano drip for Carrot.

Wow, I didn’t even realize that the lack of sleep would be a real problem for a solo lookout until you pointed it out.

Oda actually said that all the SHs perform the lookout position in shifts? If so, this is damning for Carrot’s chances. The Straw Hats already have a much better shift system going for them instead of relying on 1 person who will suffer from sleep deprivation.

Indeed he did. SBS. Oda even gave the timeframes for when they take the shifts everyday. I think Zoro was 2 to 4 am everyday

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

It's even more damning when you realize Oda wants to retire by age 50(3 years from now) and has repeatedly said that there are things he wants to do bit cant due to lack of time, making sacrifices in order to focus on the story itself. Oda also said that was why the Databooks, Novels, and Vivre Cards are giving so much canon info not addressed in the manga.

Despite all this, Oda's not giving Carrot any attention even though opportunities were right there. Not even any Wano drip for Carrot.



Indeed he did. SBS. Oda even gave the timeframes for when they take the shifts everyday. I think Zoro was 2 to 4 am everyday

Well there you have it. There’s literally no advantage to Carrot joining the SHs as a lookout.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Oda said all the SHs perform the lookout position in shifts actually. For Carrot to be the sole lookout, it means she can never sleep and would become even more redundant if she still swaps with the others. Even on the way to Onigashima, Usopp was the lookout even though Carrot was right there.

This is really all that needs to be said - she was present on the ship with every other Straw Hat, but she never used her super special eyes to help them out…yeah, sounds like a real supportive crew mate to me, this is just pathetic.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Well there you have it. There’s literally no advantage to Carrot joining the SHs as a lookout.

Only disadvantages...

 

[SILVERS000]

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they start calling Yamato a “temporary crew member”, “only a companion“ or some other bullshit once she actually joins the SHs

Why would you speak that into existence lol...

Thats like when they said Carrot is an honorary SH like Vivi
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Which no she isn't

 

[Uncle Van]

@Jew D. Boy @Sigran101 @Go D. Trussop found it. SBS Volume 74.



D: I would like to know the Straw Hats' bed times and wake up times! Penname fujiyama

O: I see. A very interesting question indeed. These people don't really follow much of a schedule but. In general.

Luffy
Sleep: When sleepy
Wake up: When he wakes up
(Sleeps for around 5 hours)

Zoro
Sleep: 4:00 am
Wake up: 7:00 am
(+naps)

Nami
Sleep: 11:00 pm
Wake up: 7:00 am

Usopp
Sleep: 1:00 am
Wake up: 8:00 am

Sanji
Sleep: 12:00 am
Wake up: 5:00 am

Chopper
Sleep: 9:00 pm
Wake up: 7:00 am
(+naps)

Robin
Sleep: 11:00 pm
Wake up: 6:00 am

Franky
Sleep: 1:00 am
Wake up: 9:00 am

Brook
Sleep: 12:00 am
Wake up: 5:00 am

And thus, even during instances where they have to navigate through the seas during nighttime, there will always need to be at least two people awake at all times in order to keep an eye out in both the front and back directions of the ship, hence every member alternates every 2 hours to stay on the lookout. It isn't too uncommon that these people don't get sufficient sleep.

So even with 9 people rotating, it's still difficult to get sleep AND you need 2 people at a time. But Carrot is supposed to do it all by herself?

 

[Garp the Fist]

Lookout’s the perfect position for Carrot

Entirely offscreen up in the crows nest the entire time

How fitting

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

Only disadvantages...

It’s only a disadvantage if Carrot is the only lookout.

She would actually be helpful if she were a part-time lookout like the rest of the SHs. There would be more people to take on look-out time so they can all collectively get more time to sleep.

But then what is Carrot actual role supposed to be on the crew? Litarally anybody can do what she’s doing. Lol

 

[Jew D. Boy]

@Jew D. Boy @Sigran101 @Go D. Trussop found it. SBS Volume 74.



D: I would like to know the Straw Hats' bed times and wake up times! Penname fujiyama

O: I see. A very interesting question indeed. These people don't really follow much of a schedule but. In general.

Luffy
Sleep: When sleepy
Wake up: When he wakes up
(Sleeps for around 5 hours)

Zoro
Sleep: 4:00 am
Wake up: 7:00 am
(+naps)

Nami
Sleep: 11:00 pm
Wake up: 7:00 am

Usopp
Sleep: 1:00 am
Wake up: 8:00 am

Sanji
Sleep: 12:00 am
Wake up: 5:00 am

Chopper
Sleep: 9:00 pm
Wake up: 7:00 am
(+naps)

Robin
Sleep: 11:00 pm
Wake up: 6:00 am

Franky
Sleep: 1:00 am
Wake up: 9:00 am

Brook
Sleep: 12:00 am
Wake up: 5:00 am

And thus, even during instances where they have to navigate through the seas during nighttime, there will always need to be at least two people awake at all times in order to keep an eye out in both the front and back directions of the ship, hence every member alternates every 2 hours to stay on the lookout. It isn't too uncommon that these people don't get sufficient sleep.

So even with 9 people rotating, it's still difficult to get sleep AND you need 2 people at a time. But Carrot is supposed to do it all by herself?

Do it all by herself AND do it better than the combined efforts of *checks notes* at least four different and distinct CoO users, the navigator that literally feels weather patterns in her bones before they even arrive, and several slightly more responsible adults?? Give me a God damn break

 

[thedarkdragon11]

It’s only a disadvantage if Carrot is the only lookout.

She would actually be helpful if she were a part-time lookout like the rest of the SHs. There would be more people to take on look-out time so they can all collectively get more time to sleep.

But then what is Carrot actual role supposed to be on the crew? Litarally anybody can do what she’s doing. Lol

Other than doing something literally everyone can do better, there's nothing else she can contribute... She's still a disadvantage overall...

If we're to get a lookout then it should've been Viola...

 

[Outlaw]

• Lookout is a position that can be filled by anyone, and in fact has been performed by half of the current SHP with no problem throughout the entire series (and the role argument is bullshit on a fundamental level)
• No interactions with the Dressrosa SHP, and calling her standing around the protagonists without really speaking to them or doing anything of note an “interaction” is complete nonsense
• Tearing a wheel off a ship in WCI =\= holding Kaido off long enough for Luffy to come back, and if I have to explain THAT to you, holy shit
• Moral pillar?? And that makes Yamato immoral?? You have zero evidence for either one, this is straight conjecture and totally illegitimate

Anything else?? We can do this all day, we’ve already done it most days for the last year and a half while Yamato gets more and more attention and the rabbit recedes entirely into the scenery.

With Moral Pillar I think its the mentor.

Yeah Carrot has a strong mentor one panel/page of Pedro before he died the same chapter we learned this such and important pillar Oda hasn't expanded upon at all @Garp the Fist @Van

Like it doesn't make sense, the poster talks about who they actually read and understand One Piece yet shits that shitty post out, Yamato mentor is Oden I know alot are not religious (i'm not either) but when someone uses my bible to refer to Odens words and life its pretty self-expalintory.

@CarrotForNakama math homework by the way 2+2 = Lettuce