Powers & Abilities The true gem of Beast Pirates!
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Yeah that's what I mean. If he encountered King first and had nothing left in him to seek Kaido I'd have been okay. But Oden gave Kaido a bigger scar and Ryuma straight killed a dragon. Zoro's goal is sort of compromised if we're shown superior swordsmen in the narrative and now, we're over the freaking capital. This chance will never come again.
Downplaying the roof ... well, it hardly got recognition in the series. We're not going to see government officials trembling over that stuff.
King is a big deal if Zoro actually kills the last Lunarian.
Downplaying the roof ... well, it hardly got recognition in the series. We're not going to see government officials trembling over that stuff.
King is a big deal if Zoro actually kills the last Lunarian.
Well, those mountains are small mountains, at best a few hundreds of meters but if you destroy a few of them, this is still a noteworthy feat imo. And as I said, I wouldn't really include the fact that both King's and Zoro's body are visible there.
Pica's golem > Onigashima mountains in size, of course. But since King matched Zoro in AP, it wouldn't mean much if King destroys a single small mountain there.
Pica's golem > Onigashima mountains in size, of course. But since King matched Zoro in AP, it wouldn't mean much if King destroys a single small mountain there.
I guess with the island now going to hover above the capital soon, the "Luffy will end the 1-on-1 legend, Zoro will end the unkillable legend" theory is going to come to fruition after all.
Oda might also throw the Anti-Zoro pirates a bone by having the drug side effect kicking in after Hiyori kills Orochi and Zoro figures out a way around King's hax to beat him, just to make it look like ZKK is not happening.
Oda might also throw the Anti-Zoro pirates a bone by having the drug side effect kicking in after Hiyori kills Orochi and Zoro figures out a way around King's hax to beat him, just to make it look like ZKK is not happening.
I guess with the island now going to hover above the capital soon, the "Luffy will end the 1-on-1 legend, Zoro will end the unkillable legend" theory is going to come to fruition after all.
Oda might also throw the Anti-Zoro pirates a bone by having the drug side effect kicking in after Hiyori kills Orochi and Zoro figures out a way around King's hax to beat him, just to make it look like ZKK is not happening.
Oda might also throw the Anti-Zoro pirates a bone by having the drug side effect kicking in after Hiyori kills Orochi and Zoro figures out a way around King's hax to beat him, just to make it look like ZKK is not happening.
To be fair, the term "YC1" covers a whole lot range of levels. That title does not indicate similar strength, just similar position.
You know, kinda like the Shichibukais.
Also, King soundly beat Marco, another Yonko firstmate, without suffering much injuries on his person. King must be exceptional even among the Yonko firstmates, too.
Even Doffy had to have his insides murked before beating another fellow Shichibukai like Law. The fact that King beat Marco solo and with less trouble may well mean King is an upper tier YC1 like Doffy is an upper tier Shichibukai.
Funnily enough, Oda had hinted that Zoro is literally the only one capable of stopping King by drawing the massively disparate result of Luffy & Cook attacking Zeus (twice in Luffy's case) and Zoro attacking Zeus (also twice).
You know, kinda like the Shichibukais.
Also, King soundly beat Marco, another Yonko firstmate, without suffering much injuries on his person. King must be exceptional even among the Yonko firstmates, too.
Even Doffy had to have his insides murked before beating another fellow Shichibukai like Law. The fact that King beat Marco solo and with less trouble may well mean King is an upper tier YC1 like Doffy is an upper tier Shichibukai.
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Funnily enough, Oda had hinted that Zoro is literally the only one capable of stopping King by drawing the massively disparate result of Luffy & Cook attacking Zeus (twice in Luffy's case) and Zoro attacking Zeus (also twice).
To be fair, the term "YC1" covers a whole lot range of levels. That title does not indicate similar strength, just similar position.
You know, kinda like the Shichibukais.
Also, King soundly beat Marco, another Yonko firstmate, without suffering much injuries on his person. King must be exceptional even among the Yonko firstmates, too.
Even Doffy had to have his insides murked before beating another fellow Shichibukai like Law. The fact that King beat Marco solo and with less trouble may well mean King is an upper tier YC1 like Doffy is an upper tier Shichibukai.
Funnily enough, Oda had hinted that Zoro is literally the only one capable of stopping King by drawing the massively disparate result of Luffy & Cook attacking Zeus (twice in Luffy's case) and Zoro attacking Zeus (also twice).
You know, kinda like the Shichibukais.
Also, King soundly beat Marco, another Yonko firstmate, without suffering much injuries on his person. King must be exceptional even among the Yonko firstmates, too.
Even Doffy had to have his insides murked before beating another fellow Shichibukai like Law. The fact that King beat Marco solo and with less trouble may well mean King is an upper tier YC1 like Doffy is an upper tier Shichibukai.
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Funnily enough, Oda had hinted that Zoro is literally the only one capable of stopping King by drawing the massively disparate result of Luffy & Cook attacking Zeus (twice in Luffy's case) and Zoro attacking Zeus (also twice).
Which reminds me: I'm lining up all those island boys who were pretending Marco was fine for their Ls when the official release drops. He literally starts the chapter by saying he's hurt lmao
Then there are no Admirals tier ?
Ray and Beckman are vice captain tier. While the others like Katakuri, King and Shiryu are not.
Especially for 42 years old Shiryu who are on Magellan level.
Ray and Beckman are vice captain tier. While the others like Katakuri, King and Shiryu are not.
Especially for 42 years old Shiryu who are on Magellan level.
Only Fodder, Low, Mid, High, Top/Peak, and God tier. With ranges in each tier.
Why did Oda put Ray and Beckman with right hands if they are not right hands but Vice captains?
There’s literally no distinction between the ranks except one is official and the other isn’t.
Also Beckman isn’t Vice-captain, he’s First-Mate.
Another neg diff. Your L.
We all knew this was coming the moment Oda started spilling the beans on the most mysterious character in the whole of Wano!
We all thought Kaido was the most special character among beast pirates and it turns out that his mere underling is stealing the show despite Oda keeping it all under wraps until just several chapters ago... This mere commander ended up the only remaining member of a race that was considered gods in the distant past, long before the 20 Kings took over the world and drove out Lunarians out of their god's land atop of the Red Wall...
The mystery is still far from revealed and King's background plays a much bigger role than that of Kaido who is an Oni, a parallel to the baddie from Momotaro story and whose all the abilities are given through the devil fruit that Big Mom has gifted to him 38 years ago while King's abilities come from his Lunarian race. King is also the last Beast Pirates member whose hybrid form was revealed, Oda has kept that one hidden for the longest. All abilities surrounding Kaido are revealed while King is still a mystery.
The more time passes the more spotlight King steals from the captain of the Beast Pirates. Many among the fandom have wondered why the rooftop happened first and vs King happened afterwards - now it is all clear, because now King cannot be underestimated and downplayed after we have seen Zoro's performance on the rooftop. The bar is raised very high and King is delivering good, too good to the point that even Kaido fans are feeling uneasy and threatened by King's performance. That's how you quickly build up a powerful villain, by making him keep up with the guy that the Emperors cant keep up with. The rooftop was King's hype tool.
The anxiety is not unjustified because Kaido is a tough sitting duck while King is also tough without being a sitting duck and instead is delivering on all fronts. Both of them are the toughest creatures in the world and King just confirmed that his toughness is on another level.
He didnt need to confirm it because we already all saw that he handles Zoro's damage better than Kaido but it doesnt hurt spelling it out, to kill all the doubts. Once again, there are 3 confirmations that King's toughness eclipses even that of Kaido - King's own words, feats of shrugging off Zoro's hits and the foreshadowing all the way back from Punk Hazard.
When it comes to the comparison between a mere underling and a captain, this is not the first time that the underling looks better than the captain. Zoro broke that ice a long time ago and reinforced it again during the rooftop battle between the new generation and the old generation. I know that the fandom power scales with a blindfold and Muh captain>mere underling but we need to examine the difference between every captain and his right hand because the gap may not exist at all. Just because Meme addresses Katakuri with "lowly son of mine" it doesnt mean that Zoro cant clap Luffy or that King isnt comparable to Kaido because he definitely is...
The toughness is definitely the biggest shock considering that Kaido is called the toughest in the world:
Close combat attack frequency:
Kaido has something similar vs Yamato while they are using 1 weapon each. King is better since he is keeping up with 3 swords.
Ranged combat attack frequency:
Something similar to Kizaru's attack Yasakani no Magatama...
Attack traveling speed, basically instant and unblockable, with decent destructive capability:
Reflexes and dodging instantaneous attacks like Zoro's flying slashes:
Incredible physical strength that Zoro compares to two races which are known to be physically more powerful than humans:
Even more overwhelming physical strength gained through his speed flight paired with a slap of the giant wing in hybrid:
Close combat style complexity having to deal with kicks as well as sword and there is a possibility that he may include wings as well in future:
Kaido vs Tatsumaki:
King vs Tatsumaki:
Kaido's flying slashes vs Zoro:
King's flying slashes vs Zoro:
The list goes on and will continue to go on but you catch my drift, you have to try really hard to find a thing that Kaido is better at than King. What is going on?!
Is a mere underling supposed to look good? Is this the first time an underling looks good or they always looked good but were shrugged off as insignificant by people who cant power scale and because they fought Zoro?
An underling has never been limited by the captain's strength but in King's case, his captain is the strongest in the world... My question is how does a guy who is worse than King at almost every stat out there still remain stronger than King? Are endurance and stamina the key to Kaido's victory over King?
I guess it came true what I was saying the whole time - Zoro's opponents are incredible fighters, better fighters than people that Luffy faces.
Not just better but whole another level better:
The funny part is that this time they are not just stealing the combat spotlight but also the lore and significance in the world of One Piece...
As someone else said, Luffy's greatest chess move is recruiting Zoro into his crew and it seems Kaido plays chess just as well considering King's performance.
I cracked the ice with the difference between YCs and top tiers not being anywhere close to what people have imagined it to be and now it seems that King and Zoro have proven that there is no difference whatsoever. Is it a coincidence that Beckman is comparable to Shanks? Is it a coincidence that Blackbeard plays chess well too and recruits a man more dangerous than the man who ended entire Blackbeard pirates in an instant?
It is very odd that World's Strongest Creature isnt the one who gives the best performance against a power-seeking character like Zoro but instead his mere underling...
What are your thoughts on this?
We all thought Kaido was the most special character among beast pirates and it turns out that his mere underling is stealing the show despite Oda keeping it all under wraps until just several chapters ago... This mere commander ended up the only remaining member of a race that was considered gods in the distant past, long before the 20 Kings took over the world and drove out Lunarians out of their god's land atop of the Red Wall...
The mystery is still far from revealed and King's background plays a much bigger role than that of Kaido who is an Oni, a parallel to the baddie from Momotaro story and whose all the abilities are given through the devil fruit that Big Mom has gifted to him 38 years ago while King's abilities come from his Lunarian race. King is also the last Beast Pirates member whose hybrid form was revealed, Oda has kept that one hidden for the longest. All abilities surrounding Kaido are revealed while King is still a mystery.
The more time passes the more spotlight King steals from the captain of the Beast Pirates. Many among the fandom have wondered why the rooftop happened first and vs King happened afterwards - now it is all clear, because now King cannot be underestimated and downplayed after we have seen Zoro's performance on the rooftop. The bar is raised very high and King is delivering good, too good to the point that even Kaido fans are feeling uneasy and threatened by King's performance. That's how you quickly build up a powerful villain, by making him keep up with the guy that the Emperors cant keep up with. The rooftop was King's hype tool.
The anxiety is not unjustified because Kaido is a tough sitting duck while King is also tough without being a sitting duck and instead is delivering on all fronts. Both of them are the toughest creatures in the world and King just confirmed that his toughness is on another level.
He didnt need to confirm it because we already all saw that he handles Zoro's damage better than Kaido but it doesnt hurt spelling it out, to kill all the doubts. Once again, there are 3 confirmations that King's toughness eclipses even that of Kaido - King's own words, feats of shrugging off Zoro's hits and the foreshadowing all the way back from Punk Hazard.
When it comes to the comparison between a mere underling and a captain, this is not the first time that the underling looks better than the captain. Zoro broke that ice a long time ago and reinforced it again during the rooftop battle between the new generation and the old generation. I know that the fandom power scales with a blindfold and Muh captain>mere underling but we need to examine the difference between every captain and his right hand because the gap may not exist at all. Just because Meme addresses Katakuri with "lowly son of mine" it doesnt mean that Zoro cant clap Luffy or that King isnt comparable to Kaido because he definitely is...
The toughness is definitely the biggest shock considering that Kaido is called the toughest in the world:
Ranged combat attack frequency:
Attack traveling speed, basically instant and unblockable, with decent destructive capability:
The list goes on and will continue to go on but you catch my drift, you have to try really hard to find a thing that Kaido is better at than King. What is going on?!
Is a mere underling supposed to look good? Is this the first time an underling looks good or they always looked good but were shrugged off as insignificant by people who cant power scale and because they fought Zoro?
An underling has never been limited by the captain's strength but in King's case, his captain is the strongest in the world... My question is how does a guy who is worse than King at almost every stat out there still remain stronger than King? Are endurance and stamina the key to Kaido's victory over King?
I guess it came true what I was saying the whole time - Zoro's opponents are incredible fighters, better fighters than people that Luffy faces.
Not just better but whole another level better:
The funny part is that this time they are not just stealing the combat spotlight but also the lore and significance in the world of One Piece...
As someone else said, Luffy's greatest chess move is recruiting Zoro into his crew and it seems Kaido plays chess just as well considering King's performance.
I cracked the ice with the difference between YCs and top tiers not being anywhere close to what people have imagined it to be and now it seems that King and Zoro have proven that there is no difference whatsoever. Is it a coincidence that Beckman is comparable to Shanks? Is it a coincidence that Blackbeard plays chess well too and recruits a man more dangerous than the man who ended entire Blackbeard pirates in an instant?
It is very odd that World's Strongest Creature isnt the one who gives the best performance against a power-seeking character like Zoro but instead his mere underling...
What are your thoughts on this?
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After Marco proves that he can take on base King using hardening. 
Hybrid Marco's strongest named move clashed equally with base King's onigiri equivalent, the first named move he used.
Hybrid Marco's strongest move vs some casual shit that base King was going to use to kill mummy Zoro
Hybrid Marco's strongest named move clashed equally with base King's onigiri equivalent, the first named move he used.
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Hybrid Marco's strongest move vs some casual shit that base King was going to use to kill mummy Zoro
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Slightly exceeded my expectations. But King is still in a YC1 tier like Katakuri.
I'm not sure about the reasoning behind, perhaps he was impressed by Luffys willpower or he recognized Luffy might in the future be able to do what he new needed to happen but couldn't achieve himself - take down Big Mom in order for his family to live safely free from her terror. Either way, no way in hell was he not able to continue against Luffy.
This means Katakuri is above Wano Luffy pre power ups, Queen and some other characters in that range. And King is even above that.