Chapter Discussion Beyond dragons and dinos

[Finalbeta]

 

[Krusher1357]

King the background can maybe beat Virgo but who knows i just know he cant beat Sanji

Lmao what a turncoat

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

He said G4 before Ryuo would not be as effective.

Which is true considering Luffy said Kaido scales are the main reason his attacks were not do effective.

That’s only if King has time to block.... KKG/Kong organ/ kong gatlin ryou or not, completely bitch slap the likes of King.

let’s not go overboard

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Sorry hes only smoothie level

But Katakuri is levels above Smoothie because...he's faster.

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

These post will be hilarious after kings gimmicks found out. Ryou G4 not hurting King, arguably the dumbest post of my early day. How King supposed to block a FS enhanced Gatling attack?? with his Wings lol

You're even assuming it's just his wings lol, we don't know that.

And I bet if I told you a week ago that King would no sell the same attack, the same Ryou attack that bloodied up and cut through Kaido scales you'd say the same thing.

King no sell Zoro Ryou attack that cut Kaido Dragon his scales, assuming it's not just King's wings, I have no reason to believe he would take no damage from a ryou G4 kong rifle.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

You're even assuming it's just his wings lol, we don't know that.

that was clearly just hinted this chapter... well unless Marco knee> luffy/Zoro ryou attacks

And I bet if I told you a week ago that King would no sell the same attack, the same Ryou attack that bloodied up and cut through Kaido scales you'd say the same thing.

probably, at that point no gimmick or logic existed that would suggest otherwise.

King no sell Zoro Ryou attack that cut Kaido Dragon his scales, assuming it's not just King's wings, I have no reason to believe he would take no damage from a ryou G4 kong rifle.

Does king have Kaido endurance/Recovery?? If not there’s virtually nothing indicating King surviving any of the attacks I named. Especially enhanced with FS, to make it harder for king to block. Kong gatlin had Kaido temporarily down, an meme completely shocked. The attack turns king to mush

 

[CbShadow]

that was clearly just hinted this chapter... well unless Marco knee> luffy/Zoro ryou attacks
probably, at that point no gimmick or logic existed that would suggest otherwise.
Does king have Kaido endurance/Recovery?? If not there’s virtually nothing indicating King surviving any of the attacks I named. Especially enhanced with FS, to make it harder for king to block. Kong gatlin had Kaido temporarily down, an meme completely shocked. The attack turns king to mush

Zoro cut King so that tells us whatever power he's using is not a passive ability. He must actively use it.

Stop acting like King is just going to stand there and take the attack. King is incredibly fast agile and has greater mobility than most characters in the entire manga.

 

[stairs-kun]

kaidotards cant stand that king is more durable than dragon scales

He also has better endurance since Zoro talks about soaking up damage.

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

that was clearly just hinted this chapter... well unless Marco knee> luffy/Zoro ryou attacks
probably, at that point no gimmick or logic existed that would suggest otherwise.
Does king have Kaido endurance/Recovery?? If not there’s virtually nothing indicating King surviving any of the attacks I named. Especially enhanced with FS, to make it harder for king to block. Kong gatlin had Kaido temporarily down, an meme completely shocked. The attack turns king to mush

First off, Katakuri FS attacks are dodge-able, Luffy was doing it so much Katakuri got tired. King is a speedster too.

And don't make this too complicated. What we know today, King has a durability power beyond that of Kaido dragon form.
We can also agree that Kaido took a lot more damage from Zoro Dragon Twister than from a Gear 4th punch.

We now see today, that King took no damage from Zoro Dragon Twister (maybe slightly less strong ver.).
So King would no sell a G4th punch without Ryou, and with Ryou too. Yeah, Kaido was down from Kong Gatling Ryou version but King has better durability power, so he'd handle it better

 

[The White Crane]

@sanjikun @Ryuarashi @MarineHQ62 @Gol D. Roger @ConquistadoR @Shanal @nik87 @Oblivion @Topi Jerami etc
king built different than Dragons(Laido) and dinos

WB said Lunarian was the race of Gods. Zoro is gonna need a Volund to beat King. :cheers:

 

[nik87]

Next chapter...
Kaido: King is tougher than even me.
Denial squad: What does he mean with that?
:cantseeme:

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

Zoro cut King so that tells us whatever power he's using is not a passive ability. He must actively use it.

Which was my point... He has to actively block with his Wings.

Stop acting like King is just going to stand there and take the attack. King is incredibly fast agile and has greater mobility than most characters in the entire manga.

Try actually reading the convo fool... Ur fellow cultists is arguing he can tank, hence the discussion....

First off, Katakuri FS attacks are dodge-able, Luffy was doing it so much Katakuri got tired. King is a speedster too.

Nobody said King couldn’t dodge... Ur stance is he doesn’t actually need to. Which u reiterate below.

And don't make this too complicated. What we know today, King has a durability power beyond that of Kaido dragon form.
We can also agree that Kaido took a lot more damage from Zoro Dragon Twister than from a Gear 4th punch.

Luffy & Zoro dnt use the same Haki. luffy using a superior form or CoA remember?? It bypasses durability, hence King needing Kaido “endurance/recovery”. Otherwise he’s gets turned into mush

We now see today, that King took no damage from Zoro Dragon Twister (maybe slightly less strong ver.).
So King would no sell a G4th punch without Ryou, and with Ryou too./

With his Wings he’ll no sell any non ryou G4 attack.

Without his wings KKG/Kong gatlin destroy him.

He gets hurt by all ryou attacks, an crippled by the high ends

Yeah, Kaido was down from Kong Gatling Ryou version but King has better durability power, so he'd handle it better

Durability Irrelevant against Luffy form of ACoA.... How have u guys already forgotten such recent pieces of the story
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[Zowo]

also for the dudes who says king is blocking the attack thats why it doesnt cut him
let me ask you if kaido tries to block tatsumaki with his dragon arms he s not gonna get cut ?
? whats the difference?
king blocked with his skin and no haki or sword
kaido trying to block zoro s attack doesnt change the fact that he still gets cut since mf got the same scales
king says he s beyond dragons and dinos

btw im not saying king>kaido in power level
kaido is stronger than king


@TheAncientCenturion @Topi Jerami @Paperchampion23 @Hanzo hattori @Aknolagon @nik87 @Marimo_420 @ConquistadoR @Shanal

 

[Finalbeta]

kaidotards cant stand that king is more durable than dragon scales

@MonsterKaido What's your personal take man?

 

[Marimo_420]

He literally states he's more durable compared to regular run of the mill dragons and dinosaurs, and we have countless feats to prove and support that.

"Even further beyond" like Goku going from SSJ to SSJ3, King's durability is the SSJ3 to Kaido's SSJ's body.

Haters on copium rn.

 

[Paperchampion23]

also for the retards who says king is blocking the attack thats why it doesnt cut him
let me ask you if kaido tries to block tatsumaki with his dragon arms he s not gonna get cut ?
? whats the difference?
king blocked with his skin and no haki or sword
kaido trying to block zoro s attack doesnt change the fact that he still gets cut since mf got the same scales
king says he s beyond dragons and dinos


@TheAncientCenturion @Topi Jerami @Paperchampion23 @Hanzo hattori @Aknolagon @nik87 @Marimo_420 @ConquistadoR @Shanal

We've already seen that King's wings produce slashes string enough to send Zoro halfway out of Onigashima. That would imply they are as "tough" as the swords Zoro carries.

No, Kaido doesn't have anything like that and doesn't actively block anything. Yes, certain characters can have advantages over another. Katakuri has future sight. Big Mom does not. Does that mean Katakuri>Big Mom? No

 

[h_zorothegoat]

But I thought he's weakest YC

 

[Zowo]

We've already seen that King's wings produce slashes string enough to send Zoro halfway out of Onigashima. That would imply they are as "tough" as the swords Zoro carries.

No, Kaido doesn't have anything like that and doesn't actively block anything. Yes, certain characters can have advantages over another. Katakuri has future sight. Big Mom does not. Does that mean Katakuri>Big Mom? No

i dont understand the argument "kaido didnt blocked but king did" like what s supposed to change?
didnt king just blocked with his skin ?
kaido s scales have the same durability and even if he uses his arms to block he still getting cut
blocking something doesnt change ur durability

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

Which was my point... He has to actively block with his Wings.
Try actually reading the convo fool... Ur fellow cultists is arguing he can tank, hence the discussion....
Nobody said King couldn’t dodge... Ur stance is he doesn’t actually need to. Which u reiterate below.
Luffy & Zoro dnt use the same Haki. luffy using a superior form or CoA remember?? It bypasses durability, hence King needing Kaido “endurance/recovery”. Otherwise he’s gets turned into mush


With his Wings he’ll no sell any non ryou G4 attack.

Without his wings KKG/Kong gatlin destroy him.

He gets hurt by all ryou attacks, an crippled by the high ends
Durability Irrelevant against Luffy form of ACoA.... How have u guys already forgotten such recent pieces of the story

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We just witnessed King say he has a better ability to soak up damage than Kaido. Zoro says, "Hey King, I see you can soak up damage like The Dragon aka Kaido."

King says "Yeah, but even beyond Kaido".

Everything you say is an assumption, you are just saying nonsense, "oh yeah Luffy G4 Ryou will turn kInG to mUsH". No proof anywhere, meanwhile King perform better than Kaido with a Dragon Twister.

 

[Paperchampion23]

i dont understand the argument "kaido didnt blocked but king did" like what s supposed to change?
didnt king just blocked with his skin ?
kaido s scales have the same durability and even if he uses his arms to block he still getting cut
blocking something doesnt change ur durability

I harken it more to "tanking" attacks vs blocking it. An example ive thrown around is Zoro using his blades to block attacks vs Luffy using his arms. It's not really comparable. But seeing how Luffy and Zoro tank damage overall? I'd treat them as similar/equal in that regard. Not because we compare how they block stuff, but compare how they tank damage in the end. Even on that front I'd give Zoro the edge because of Thriller Bark and the shit he's gone through in pre-TS fights.

While yes, King is using his own wings here, we know they seem to be at least part of the reason for his toughness, since they can be used like blades and he does use them to block here.

I'm not saying he can't be "tougher" than Kaido when it comes to blocking attacks, but I think tanking attacks is an entirely different idea and should be a considerable factor.