General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Uncle Van]

So every platform that bans toxic Carrot fans is just protecting Yamato fans....Zoro fans got better odds of proving they never toxic and that every platform is just protecting Sanji fans.

Been rough ever since Carrot got off screened. How come nakama fans become so self righteous and toxic when their momentum starts to crumble? Monet, Rebecca, Pudding and now Carrot.

 

[Logiko]

You are playing the victim again... You say that you are not attacking but you attack more than others attack to you... When someone write to you a big point against carrot as nakama. You only say "no", then you play the victim game, and finally you attack saying that you are so good and the rest so bad etc etc etc. It is your modus operandi.

Carrot right now is less important than Yamato. But also is less important than Tama, Momo and Kinnemon. The problem here is not yamato being more important. The problem is other character being more important than carrot. It can change in any moment for the mink benefit. But it seems difficult for carrot.

"No" or "this is a bad faith argument" is not an attack. If you don't know the difference between an attack and a reply to a bad argument, I think you have a big problem.

I really don't care what you think about Yamato or Carrot. What I care about is all the Carrot fans (and some other) who feel alienated because of your (as a group) bs toxicity. We are not Zoro or Sanji fans, we don't reply to toxicity with toxicity. We found those pity scabbles more than childlish. There are others way to make a point other than spitting out our toxic masculinity all over the floor.

So. If you want to make a point.. fine. Just be civil about it. If you can't make a point without meming your point of view to alienate the fanbase.. just stay out of the discussion.

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So every platform that bans toxic Carrot fans is just protecting Yamato fans....Zoro fans got better odds of proving they never toxic and that every platform is just protecting Sanji fans.

Been rough ever since Carrot got off screened. How come nakama fans become so self righteous and toxic when their momentum starts to crumble? Monet, Rebecca, Pudding and now Carrot.

Toxic Carrot fan are exceptions. Toxic Yamato/Zoro/Sanji fans are a generality.

And don't start with #NotAllYamatoFans

 

[Uncle Van]

"No" or "this is a bad faith argument" is not an attack. If you don't know the difference between an attack and a reply to a bad argument, I think you have a big problem.

I really don't care what you think about Yamato or Carrot. What I care about is all the Carrot fans (and some other) who feel alienated because of your (as a group) bs toxicity. We are not Zoro or Sanji fans, we don't reply to toxicity with toxicity. We found those pity scabbles more than childlish. There are others way to make a point other than spitting out our toxic masculinity all over the floor.

So. If you want to make a point.. fine. Just be civil about it. If you can't make a point without meming your point of view to alienate the fanbase.. just stay out of the discussion.

Labeling every response as a "bad faith argument" is no different from calling someone a Carrot hater or Yamato fanboy. Instead of giving proper counters, you instead try devalue their posts by claiming they're bias for disagreeing with you.

 

[Logiko]

Labeling every response as a "bad faith argument" is no different from calling someone a Carrot hater or Yamato fanboy. Instead of giving proper counters, you instead try devalue their posts by claiming they're bias for disagreeing with you.

Bad faith is a critic of the argumentation. It's not a critic of the individual making the argument. As a mod, you should know the difference.

This forum is cribbled with bad faith arguments.. this is a fact. And a logical one as toxicity is systemically encouraged on this plateform.

Saying that a Carrot is not a bad look out, when Oda show her make a great work on the post is a bad faith argument.

Taking one panel out of context to try to prove otherwise is a bad faith argumentation.

Saying that Carrot is irrelevant just because she is not in the story right now while ignoring all in what she was put through.. is a bad faith argument.

Saying that Carrot is a bad character and Yamato is a better one, when the fact show that both character are very well designed by the author both on a visual, symbolic and narrative scale.. IS a bad faith argument.

Etc.

 

[vikas]

Don't worry guys, Yamato will create a new crew and make Carrot the lookout..... of onigashima

 

[Sigran101]

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Here is a example of pure toxicity I was talking about.

You can't distinguish sarcasm and/or accept criticisms eh? I have no problem calling me toxic, it's your opinion... But generalizing the forum and the Yamato fans? That's not good...

 

[Logiko]

You can't distinguish sarcasm and/or accept criticisms eh? I have no problem calling me toxic, it's your opinion... But generalizing the forum and the Yamato fans? That's not good...

Oh I can accept critizism, see above. I made a mistake, I corrected it. But Trashtalk or insult are not criticism, they are toxicity. Same for sarcasm when this is repeated again, and again.. an again.. and again... and again... and again..

And again.

I'm generalizing because the generalization is legitimate. Yamato's fanbase is more likely to be toxic than other fan base.. that can be seen CLEARLY here and everywhere where there is debate over the characters.

 

[Uncle Van]

Bad faith is a critic of the argumentation. It's not a critic of the individual making the argument. As a mod, you should know the difference.

This forum is cribbled with bad faith arguments.. this is a fact. And a logical one as toxicity is systemically encouraged on this plateform.

Saying that a Carrot is not a bad look out, when Oda show her make a great work on the post is a bad faith argument.

Taking one panel out of context to try to prove otherwise is a bad faith argumentation.

Saying that Carrot is irrelevant just because she is not in the story right now while ignoring all in what she was put through.. is a bad faith argument.

Saying that Carrot is a bad character and Yamato is a better one, when the fact show that both character are very well designed by the author both on a visual, symbolic and narrative scale.. IS a bad faith argument.

Etc.

Lol ok I'll indulge

"As a mod, you should be agreeing with me!" Oh gotta love the classics.

As an self proclaimed analysts, you should be aware that logical fallacies can be called inaccurately and/or used with dishonest intent, like changing the goalpost to call a strawman.

In case you don't know, a bad faith argument is an intent to deceive; one who commits a bad faith argument pretends to want an actual discussion all around but in reality, only seeks to antagonize and enforce their own beliefs. To call a bad faith, you need evidence. Your evidence? You constantly try and make people seem toxic. How are they toxic? By simply disagreeing with you.

What makes this ironic is that you are the only person here arguing in bad faith. Your entire argument hinges on the idea that Oda will do something completely different just for Carrot, that everything so far is just one giant red herring to swerve the reader with Carrot joining. Not to mention, your arguments and logic are flooded with holes and contradictions.

-It is fact Oda has never used the red herring trick for a SH before
-It is a fact that every SH had an arc about them along with being stronglytied to the themes of said arc
-It is a fact that every SH had a struggling past
-It is a fact that every SH needed Luffy's help to overcome their villain problem
-It is a fact that none of the SHs got completely off screened in their arcs, with little role or no importance in that arc.
-It is a fact that Oda never had another SH separated from the main conflict and big battles

People have thrown these facts your way and asked you why Oda will do the opposite just for Carrot? Where is your evidence for Carrot? You even said your arguments are just assumptions(aka no evidence). Where is the evidence that Carror will have an arc about her? Instead of addressing them, you accuse people of arguing in bad faith as a means of countering their arugments, showing you have no intention of having a real debate. You just want to enforce your idea that Carrot is a good candidate that's being carefully crafted by Oda.

 

[Logiko]

Lol ok I'll indulge

"As a mod, you should be agreeing with me!" Oh gotta love the classics.

As an self proclaimed analysts, you should be aware that logical fallacies can be called inaccurately and/or used with dishonest intent, like changing the goalpost to call a strawman.

In case you don't know, a bad faith argument is an intent to deceive; one who commits a bad faith argument pretends to want an actual discussion all around but in reality, only seeks to antagonize and enforce their own beliefs. To call a bad faith, you need evidence. Your evidence? You constantly try and make people seem toxic. How are they toxic? By simply disagreeing with you.

What makes this ironic is that you are the only person here arguing in bad faith. Your entire argument hinges on the idea that Oda will do something completely different just for Carrot, that everything so far is just one giant red herring to swerve the reader with Carrot joining. Not to mention, your arguments and logic are flooded with holes and contradictions.

-It is fact Oda has never used the red herring trick for a SH before
-It is a fact that every SH had an arc about them along with being stronglytied to the themes of said arc
-It is a fact that every SH had a struggling past
-It is a fact that every SH needed Luffy's help to overcome their villain problem
-It is a fact that none of the SHs got completely off screened in their arcs, with little role or no importance in that arc.
-It is a fact that Oda never had another SH separated from the main conflict and big battles

People have thrown these facts your way and asked you why Oda will do the opposite just for Carrot? Where is your evidence for Carrot? You even said your arguments are just assumptions(aka no evidence). Where is the evidence that Carror will have an arc about her? Instead of addressing them, you accuse people of arguing in bad faith as a means of countering their arugments, showing you have no intention of having a real debate. You just want to enforce your idea that Carrot is a good candidate that's being carefully crafted by Oda.

I know what bad faith is. But the thing you seems to ignore is that I don't need to reply with evidence to a bad faith argument.

Remember this: An assertion told without evidence can be countered without evidence.

All the things I listed are factual bad faith argumentation. I do NOT need to prove why. Because the story is on my side, not yours.

- YOU have to prove that Carrot is a bad look out
- YOU have to explain why a out of context panel is sufficiant to say that
- YOU have to explain why a character like Carrot is irrelevant.

Not me. This is called the burden of proof. Again, don't argue rethoric with a sceptic.

Secondly, Here I told you that as a mod, you should be able to make the difference between an attack and a reply. What are you respounding? : "you are saying that as a mod I should agree with you".

First as a mod, you should NOT be allowed to twist the words of others. I told you something specific, NOT what you just said. Again.. this is one of the proof that this Forum actually encourage toxicity rather than the opposite.
Secondly, I stand by what I said. You should be able to make the difference between an attack and a simple reply.

I've never used bad faith here. And I stand by it. When there are good point for Carrot I states them, when there are bad points for Carrot I also state them. And I do the same for Yamato.

I use precision and my knowledge of storytelling to argue. Tho I can understand it might feel alien to some of you.. those are really not difficult concept and I expect you to understand them with enough explication. Problem.. Those explications are ignored.. most of my content message are ignored to.. I gave you multiple link with throughout explanation.. did anyone cared take a look ?

No. (and don't lie, I have the stats)

This is (one of) the problem.. You (as a group) seems to not care about evidences. That's why I can safely say that this forum is completely bias toward Yamato. All you (as a group) care about, is meming.. Tho it might be fun once or twice.. when it is repeating it becomes something else.. much worse.

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Now, If I am saying that Oda is going to do something completely different for Carrot for her backstory, it's because he has ALREADY begun to do so. Carrot is the ONLY living character out of the strawhat who was gifted with:

- multi layered characterisation + interactions with the strawhats
- A active post on the ship
- A shining mugiwara action.

Those are NARRATIVE evidences. I can understand that you don't understand them.. But if so.. at least go read my explanations.

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Thirdly:

- Oda DID use the red hearing technique once before. It was Vivi. Oda used narratively Vivi as a decoy to introduce Robin. You can dislike that all you want, this is a narrative FACT.

- Yes every strawhat had an arc related to their recrutment. This is also a narrative facts. The thing you ignore, is that those arc are not always happening before or present to the joining of the character into the crew. In fact we have the occurence of two characters (Robin AND Nami) where those arc happens AFTER the fact. That's why you must NOT get rid of the possibility of Carrot getting an arc AFTER Wano. In fact it is more likely to happen that way for multiple reasons.
- She is a girl
- Oda will most likely center the following arcs on the strawhats
- Carrot talked about the giant before

- Yes, it is a fact that each strawhat had a struggling past... PRIOR to their joining in the crew. As I explained on this thread . There is reason to believe that he might change sighly the pattern for Carrot while keeping ALL the narrative material intact as I explained it there

- Yes, it is a fact that each strawhat needed Luffy. But as I said before, we can't get rid of the possibility of this happening later in the story. Anyway I take that into account There

- Yes, it is a narrative facts that every strawhat have been a MAJOR protagonist in there respective arc (what I call a recrutment arc)... BUT here we are NOT in a recrutment arc. We are in (what I call) a JOINING arc. This is an arc when the character join in. And as we have seen with Robin in Alabasta. A minor Character can and is most likely to join when they are Low in the story. Because of a simple narrative principle : It creates the surprise.

- Wrong. On little garden, Oda completely sieline sanji in order to make him interact with Crocodile.

So.. as you can see. Yeah. People have thrown those statement to my face multiple time.. But the majority of those statement are INCOMPLETE. (And those are not the bad faith statement i'm talking about btw) Most of those statement forget or ignore other elements of the story that are important.

Where are my argument for Carrot ?

HERE (and take notes that many arguments are still to come)

I won't copy paste everything here. It's just a waste of time and energy. All I can do is go more in depth with you if you have question.

But (for example) if you take a panel out of context to show me that Carrot is a bad look out, while ignoring that this panel is not meant to show that situation but the fact that all the strawhats are taken by surprise.. then yes.. I will call out your bad faith.

 

[Ravagerblade]

I know what bad faith is. But the thing you seems to ignore is that I don't need to reply with evidence to a bad faith argument.

Remember this: An assertion told without evidence can be countered without evidence.

All the things I listed are factual bad faith argumentation. I do NOT need to prove why. Because the story is on my side, not yours.

- YOU have to prove that Carrot is a bad look out
- YOU have to explain why a out of context panel is sufficiant to say that
- YOU have to explain why a character like Carrot is irrelevant.

Not me. This is called the burden of proof. Again, don't argue rethoric with a sceptic.

Secondly, Here I told you that as a mod, you should be able to make the difference between an attack and a reply. What are you respounding? : "you are saying that as a mod I should agree with you".

First as a mod, you should NOT be allowed to twist the words of others. I told you something specific, NOT what you just said. Again.. this is one of the proof that this Forum actually encourage toxicity rather than the opposite.
Secondly, I stand by what I said. You should be able to make the difference between an attack and a simple reply.

I've never used bad faith here. And I stand by it. When there are good point for Carrot I states them, when there are bad points for Carrot I also state them. And I do the same for Yamato.

I use precision and my knowledge of storytelling to argue. Tho I can understand it might feel alien to some of you.. those are really not difficult concept and I expect you to understand them with enough explication. Problem.. Those explications are ignored.. most of my content message are ignored to.. I gave you multiple link with throughout explanation.. did anyone cared take a look ?

No. (and don't lie, I have the stats)

This is (one of) the problem.. You (as a group) seems to not care about evidences. That's why I can safely say that this forum is completely bias toward Yamato. All you (as a group) care about, is meming.. Tho it might be fun once or twice.. when it is repeating it becomes something else.. much worse.

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Now, If I am saying that Oda is going to do something completely different for Carrot for her backstory, it's because he has ALREADY begun to do so. Carrot is the ONLY living character out of the strawhat who was gifted with:

- multi layered characterisation + interactions with the strawhats
- A active post on the ship
- A shining mugiwara action.

Those are NARRATIVE evidences. I can understand that you don't understand them.. But if so.. at least go read my explanations.

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Thirdly:

- Oda DID use the red hearing technique once before. It was Vivi. Oda used narratively Vivi as a decoy to introduce Robin. You can dislike that all you want, this is a narrative FACT.

- Yes every strawhat had an arc related to their recrutment. This is also a narrative facts. The thing you ignore, is that those arc are not always happening before or present to the joining of the character into the crew. In fact we have the occurence of two characters (Robin AND Nami) where those arc happens AFTER the fact. That's why you must NOT get rid of the possibility of Carrot getting an arc AFTER Wano. In fact it is more likely to happen that way for multiple reasons.
- She is a girl
- Oda will most likely center the following arcs on the strawhats
- Carrot talked about the giant before

- Yes, it is a fact that each strawhat had a struggling past... PRIOR to their joining in the crew. As I explained on this thread . There is reason to believe that he might change sighly the pattern for Carrot while keeping ALL the narrative material intact as I explained it there

- Yes, it is a fact that each strawhat needed Luffy. But as I said before, we can't get rid of the possibility of this happening later in the story. Anyway I take that into account There

- Yes, it is a narrative facts that every strawhat have been a MAJOR protagonist in there respective arc (what I call a recrutment arc)... BUT here we are NOT in a recrutment arc. We are in (what I call) a JOINING arc. This is an arc when the character join in. And as we have seen with Robin in Alabasta. A minor Character can and is most likely to join when they are Low in the story. Because of a simple narrative principle : It creates the surprise.

- Wrong. On little garden, Oda completely sieline sanji in order to make him interact with Crocodile.

So.. as you can see. Yeah. People have thrown those statement to my face multiple time.. But the majority of those statement are INCOMPLETE. (And those are not the bad faith statement i'm talking about btw) Most of those statement forget or ignore other elements of the story that are important.

Where are my argument for Carrot ?

HERE (and take notes that many arguments are still to come)

I won't copy paste everything here. It's just a waste of time and energy. All I can do is go more in depth with you if you have question.

But (for example) if you take a panel out of context to show me that Carrot is a bad look out, while ignoring that this panel is not meant to show that situation but the fact that all the strawhats are taken by surprise.. then yes.. I will call out your bad faith.

Nope. Burden of proof is on you, you make wild speculations on Carrot being some how better at things than others when evidence suggests otherwise, and you get told so.

 

[Logiko]

Nope. Burden of proof is on you, you make wild speculations on Carrot being some how better at things than others when evidence suggests otherwise, and you get told so.

Those are provided by the story. I don't need to search or make other proof. But for sport (last time):

Carrot is a rabbit mink. Therefore she can jump higher and faster than anyone in the story even Sanji. The difference of jumping ability between sanji and Carrot is visual. Sanji makes little quick steps, Carrot make one flashy jump. Visually Carrot is faster.

This only fact makes Carrot a better look out than anyone. Why ? Because the post of look out is all about high and real vision. (Only Viola have a better capacity). A look out needs to see the movement of ships and the presence of land. Therefore her ability to jump high is the feature that make her the most usefull at the post.

There is nothing simpler than that. You add her experience to that and her capacity as Sulong, and you got the best Sentry there is. THe job is simple, it doesn't need to be complicated. But narratively and vsually, Carrot is the best at it in the very specific situation the crew was in during whole cake.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Those are provided by the story. I don't need to search or make other proof. But for sport (last time):

Carrot is a rabbit mink. Therefore she can jump higher and faster than anyone in the story even Sanji. The difference of jumping ability between sanji and Carrot is visual. Sanji makes little quick steps, Carrot make one flashy jump. Visually Carrot is faster.

This only fact makes Carrot a better look out than anyone. Why ? Because the post of look out is all about high and real vision. (Only Viola have a better capacity). A look out needs to see the movement of ships and the presence of land. Therefore her ability to jump high is the feature that make her the most usefull at the post.

There is nothing simpler than that. You add her experience to that and her capacity as Sulong, and you got the best Sentry there is. THe job is simple, it doesn't need to be complicated. But narratively and vsually, Carrot is the best at it in the very specific situation the crew was in during whole cake.

No, that's all just what you want her to be. She's failed when she should have succeeded.
What does jumping have to do with being a lookout? Nothing. At best she can furl the sails.
Sulong isn't something she can turn on and off, as a supposed Carrot fan I thought you'd know this.
One flashy jump, Whoo hoo, can she stay up there for an extended period or not? That's what should matter, Sanji has her beat there. Zoro tends to be up at the nest there usually. Usopp > Carrot with vision.... don't make light of snipers.

So far Your arguments are basically debunked and so trite.

 

[Flagandhat]

Nope. Burden of proof is on you, you make wild speculations on Carrot being some how better at things than others when evidence suggests otherwise, and you get told so.

The problem with carrot is the next. Luffy defeated the enemy of the mugiwaras in order to join... But nekomamushi did it instead of luffy defeating perospero. So Carrot hero is not luffy like the rest. Is nekomamushi...

 

[Uncle Van]

Holy jesus....good thing I'm posted at the back desk today...

I know what bad faith is. But the thing you seems to ignore is that I don't need to reply with evidence to a bad faith argument.

See this is an issue. You label someone's argument as bad faith without evidence, and uses it as an excuse to not properly address it. Thanks for proving the point.

Remember this: An assertion told without evidence can be countered without evidence.

And objective facts cant simply be labeled as bad faith to avoid addressing them

All the things I listed are factual bad faith argumentation. I do NOT need to prove why. Because the story is on my side, not yours.

How arrogant. Once again, claim bad faith without evidence and say you don't have to prove it?

- YOU have to prove that Carrot is a bad look out
- YOU have to explain why a out of context panel is sufficiant to say that
- YOU have to explain why a character like Carrot is irrelevant.

Not me. This is called the burden of proof. Again, don't argue rethoric with a sceptic.

No YOU have to prove it.

Carrot has never shown any unique lookout ability so how exactly is it SH material? She gonna be the only SH who doesn't need to be exceptional at their role?

The Daifuku panel isn't the only thing people brought up

Secondly, Here I told you that as a mod, you should be able to make the difference between an attack and a reply. What are you respounding? : "you are saying that as a mod I should agree with you".


First as a mod, you should NOT be allowed to twist the words of others. I told you something specific, NOT what you just said. Again.. this is one of the proof that this Forum actually encourage toxicity rather than the opposite.
Secondly, I stand by what I said. You should be able to make the difference between an attack and a simple reply.

As a member, you should know that getting banned from ArlongPark for being toxic should spark some self reflection instead of accusing them and us of being Yamato protectors.

I've never used bad faith here. And I stand by it. When there are good point for Carrot I states them, when there are bad points for Carrot I also state them. And I do the same for Yamato.

You argue in bad faith by definition.

I use precision and my knowledge of storytelling to argue. Tho I can understand it might feel alien to some of you.. those are really not difficult concept and I expect you to understand them with enough explication. Problem.. Those explications are ignored.. most of my content message are ignored to.. I gave you multiple link with throughout explanation.. did anyone cared take a look ?

Again, how arrogant can you be? Everyone gave proper counter arguments to everything you said. You deflected by labeling them as bad faith.

No. (and don't lie, I have the stats)

This is (one of) the problem.. You (as a group) seems to not care about evidences. That's why I can safely say that this forum is completely bias toward Yamato. All you (as a group) care about, is meming.. Tho it might be fun once or twice.. when it is repeating it becomes something else.. much worse.

*got perma banned for being toxic*

Now, If I am saying that Oda is going to do something completely different for Carrot for her backstory, it's because he has ALREADY begun to do so. Carrot is the ONLY living character out of the strawhat who was gifted with:

- multi layered characterisation + interactions with the strawhats
- A active post on the ship
- A shining mugiwara action.

Those are NARRATIVE evidences. I can understand that you don't understand them.. But if so.. at least go read my explanations.

Evidence that Oda has already starting something he's never done before?

What multi-layered characterization do you speak of? Cause simply showing happiness, anger, fear etc. like everyone else isn't an example.

Carrot's active post is literally some by everyone else and requires 2 people according to Oda himself, and you claiming its narrative evidence without said evidence doesn't counter the author.

- Oda DID use the red hearing technique once before. It was Vivi. Oda used narratively Vivi as a decoy to introduce Robin. You can dislike that all you want, this is a narrative FACT.

Vivi wasn't a red herring for Robin. Do you honestly believe that Vivi's entire character was to make Robin's entry shocking? How exactly does Vivi joining or not change Robin's shock entry? The result would've been the same whether Vivi stayed or not.

Carrot is a minor character who contradicts Oda's story telling tools if she is to be a SH. Robin was the secondary antagonist of Alabasta and the only one who could finds the true history.

- Yes every strawhat had an arc related to their recrutment. This is also a narrative facts. The thing you ignore, is that those arc are not always happening before or present to the joining of the character into the crew. In fact we have the occurence of two characters (Robin AND Nami) where those arc happens AFTER the fact. That's why you must NOT get rid of the possibility of Carrot getting an arc AFTER Wano. In fact it is more likely to happen that way for multiple reasons.
- She is a girl
- Oda will most likely center the following arcs on the strawhats
- Carrot talked about the giant before

No one ignored a thing. Once again, you claim that Carrot and Carrot alone is gonna get some special treatment.

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- Wrong. On little garden, Oda completely sieline sanji in order to make him interact with Crocodile.

Sanji was part of the main conflict and themes of the arc. He got key information out of the main antagonist. How is that the same as being completely off screened in a losing battle, completely separated from the main conflicts and climaxes of the arc?

Sanji was important in Little Garden. Carrot is not

So.. as you can see. Yeah. People have thrown those statement to my face multiple time.. But the majority of those statement are INCOMPLETE. (And those are not the bad faith statement i'm talking about btw) Most of those statement forget or ignore other elements of the story that are important.

Where are my argument for Carrot ?

HERE (and take notes that many arguments are still to come)

I won't copy paste everything here. It's just a waste of time and energy. All I can do is go more in depth with you if you have question.

But (for example) if you take a panel out of context to show me that Carrot is a bad look out, while ignoring that this panel is not meant to show that situation but the fact that all the strawhats are taken by surprise.. then yes.. I will call out your bad faith.

Or you know, people believe it's an actual minus? How about address it instead of accusing people of deception?

You are incredibly arrogant to think that your understanding of the story is better than everyone who replies to you, especially how you're advocating for Oda to completely change his story telling habits just for Carrot.

Even saying you don't have to prove your assumptions....

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I AM A YAMATO FAN AND I ENJOY THE PROTECTION I RECEIVE AS A RESULT #YAMATO4NAKAMA

 

[Sigran101]

Holy jesus....good thing I'm posted at the back desk today...




See this is an issue. You label someone's argument as bad faith without evidence, and uses it as an excuse to not properly address it. Thanks for proving the point.




And objective facts cant simply be labeled as bad faith to avoid addressing them



How arrogant. Once again, claim bad faith without evidence and say you don't have to prove it?



No YOU have to prove it.

Carrot has never shown any unique lookout ability so how exactly is it SH material? She gonna be the only SH who doesn't need to be exceptional at their role?

The Daifuku panel isn't the only thing people brought up



As a member, you should know that getting banned from ArlongPark for being toxic should spark some self reflection instead of accusing them and us of being Yamato protectors.




You argue in bad faith by definition.




Again, how arrogant can you be? Everyone gave proper counter arguments to everything you said. You deflected by labeling them as bad faith.



*got perma banned for being toxic*



Evidence that Oda has already starting something he's never done before?

What multi-layered characterization do you speak of? Cause simply showing happiness, anger, fear etc. like everyone else isn't an example.

Carrot's active post is literally some by everyone else and requires 2 people according to Oda himself, and you claiming its narrative evidence without said evidence doesn't counter the author.



Vivi wasn't a red herring for Robin. Do you honestly believe that Vivi's entire character was to make Robin's entry shocking? How exactly does Vivi joining or not change Robin's shock entry? The result would've been the same whether Vivi stayed or not.

Carrot is a minor character who contradicts Oda's story telling tools if she is to be a SH. Robin was the secondary antagonist of Alabasta and the only one who could finds the true history.




No one ignored a thing. Once again, you claim that Carrot and Carrot alone is gonna get some special treatment.

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Sanji was part of the main conflict and themes of the arc. He got key information out of the main antagonist. How is that the same as being completely off screened in a losing battle, completely separated from the main conflicts and climaxes of the arc?

Sanji was important in Little Garden. Carrot is not




Or you know, people believe it's can actual minus? How about address it instead of accusing people of deception?

You are incredibly arrogant to think that your understanding of the story is better than everyone who replies to you, especially how you're advocating for Oda to completely change his story telling habits just for Carrot.

Even saying you don't have to prove your assumptions....

 

[Ravagerblade]

To be fair it's more like 'if' Thanos Snapped Rocket, except Rocket is actually beloved.

 

[Logiko]

Holy jesus....good thing I'm posted at the back desk today...




See this is an issue. You label someone's argument as bad faith without evidence, and uses it as an excuse to not properly address it. Thanks for proving the point.




And objective facts cant simply be labeled as bad faith to avoid addressing them



How arrogant. Once again, claim bad faith without evidence and say you don't have to prove it?



No YOU have to prove it.

Carrot has never shown any unique lookout ability so how exactly is it SH material? She gonna be the only SH who doesn't need to be exceptional at their role?

The Daifuku panel isn't the only thing people brought up



As a member, you should know that getting banned from ArlongPark for being toxic should spark some self reflection instead of accusing them and us of being Yamato protectors.




You argue in bad faith by definition.




Again, how arrogant can you be? Everyone gave proper counter arguments to everything you said. You deflected by labeling them as bad faith.



*got perma banned for being toxic*



Evidence that Oda has already starting something he's never done before?

What multi-layered characterization do you speak of? Cause simply showing happiness, anger, fear etc. like everyone else isn't an example.

Carrot's active post is literally some by everyone else and requires 2 people according to Oda himself, and you claiming its narrative evidence without said evidence doesn't counter the author.



Vivi wasn't a red herring for Robin. Do you honestly believe that Vivi's entire character was to make Robin's entry shocking? How exactly does Vivi joining or not change Robin's shock entry? The result would've been the same whether Vivi stayed or not.

Carrot is a minor character who contradicts Oda's story telling tools if she is to be a SH. Robin was the secondary antagonist of Alabasta and the only one who could finds the true history.




No one ignored a thing. Once again, you claim that Carrot and Carrot alone is gonna get some special treatment.

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Sanji was part of the main conflict and themes of the arc. He got key information out of the main antagonist. How is that the same as being completely off screened in a losing battle, completely separated from the main conflicts and climaxes of the arc?

Sanji was important in Little Garden. Carrot is not




Or you know, people believe it's an actual minus? How about address it instead of accusing people of deception?

You are incredibly arrogant to think that your understanding of the story is better than everyone who replies to you, especially how you're advocating for Oda to completely change his story telling habits just for Carrot.

Even saying you don't have to prove your assumptions....

Oh boi.. Well I reply you on that tomorow. So much problems. Good night

 

[Uncle Van]

Oh boi.. Well I reply you on that tomorow. So much problems. Good night

And make a post that doesn't refer to bias or bad faith in any way. I want you to address my arguments directly without deflecting them or elevating yourself in the slightest. Dead serious. Expectations are low, but good luck with this challenge.