Powers & Abilities There Can no Longer be Any Doubt; Mihawk is a Conqueror

How powerful is Mihawk's Haoshoku?


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The fear of Zoro proving he is as capable as Luffy got haters on fucking suicide watch.

You can see it everywhere.

AdvCoC is slowly called overrated now that Zoro has it obviously:ihaha:

Zoro fans eating well this arc.

2 Mistakes of One Piece fandom.

Never speak ill of Zoro.

Never believe that dude who wants to see a fish pond will be his equal:risicheck::shame:
They will try to speak ill of zoro as usual . I never speak ill of zoro but judge his feats fairly.

Same Oda say he will draw Akainu with respect but fans think Akainu will get disrespect as they claimed.

Only thing I don’t believe oda is planning years which he suck at math planning. Oda claim to finish one piece in 5 years from 2018. Oda say we will see Sabo, hancock fate in 2020. Shanks will make a move on 2021. Cricket cricket. Still we are end of November 2021.
 
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you cant train coc to be stronger unless he is stronger than kaido
then his conquerors isnt any better
Don’t you think Ray talked about the spirit ? The only way to make it stronger is to reinforce your spirit ?


So you really think the PK, Luffy goal, the greatest legend of One piece, the man who conquered all the seas, that beat Xebec, stale mating WB, had Shiki respect, Gary, Chinjao, all bow down before Roger greatness. Even Oden said that even if WB was amazing Roger was a shade greater.
And this is a shonen.

I don’t think you wanna bet that Mihawk > Roger ?
Or that Mihawk COC > Roger COC ?

This is a wild take
he was very clear in the last sentence

the only way to make it stronger is for the user to grow stronger

armament and observation have advanced forms that you can train to acquire
with conquerors you simply cant
the person with the stronger conqueror haki is the stronger individual
thats what it comes down to.
 

Seth

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They will try to speak ill of zoro as usual . I never speak ill of zoro but judge his feats fairly.

Same Oda say he will draw akinu with respect but fans think Akainu will get suspect as they claimed.

Only thing I don’t believe oda is planning years which he suck at math planning. Oda claim to finish one piece in 5 years from 2018. Oda say we will see Sabo, hancock fate in 2020. Shanks will make a move on 2021. Cricket cricket. Still we are end of November 2021.
We are in for a lot of bullshit, that's a given.

Although Admirals having advanced Haki is like lol, they are literally the opposing force to the Yonko.

Erkek and noodle will probably drown in their own salty tears once Akainu pulls out Magma infused CoC coated punch.
 
its fine thinking shanks > mihawk
but suggesting he is because he will have a stronger conqueror haki
isnt how this works .

its directly correlated with how strong the individual is .
one doesnt simply make it individually strong as you have with katakuri having a really potent coo far better than even his mom
thats not the case with coc.

now he might be able to do things with it that we havent seen with kaido
but it isnt stronger.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Don’t know about the exact trad you can check for an other one


Roger's best feat is stalemating Base Primebeard (without his Devil Fruit). I don't think we'll see more combat feats from Roger, so I have no qualms scaling Roger accordingly.
If you can’t scale with portrayal when you have few feats then you scale wrongly

Roger is superior to Mihawk. This is not even a question. You are reading one piece manga a story about PK, not a swordsman story about the WSS
 
We are in for a lot of bullshit, that's a given.

Although Admirals having advanced Haki is like lol, they are literally the opposing force to the Yonko.

Erkek and noodle will probably drown in their own salty tears once Akainu pulls out Magma infused CoC coated punch.
Or even worse Oda draw that Akainu don’t have coc and still fight luffy and Sabo and fight become most difficult fight ever. Akainu just brute strong warrior like broly and literally broly anger issue when mention of luffy. Akainu is crazy about luffy and want to kill him. Don’t why people think luffy vs Akainu won’t happen.

I will take my L if appo and drake defeat cp0. Appo is tattletell guy and spill the beans to public like big new morgan.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
its fine thinking shanks > mihawk
but suggesting he is because he will have a stronger conqueror haki
isnt how this works .

its directly correlated with how strong the individual is .
one doesnt simply make it individually strong as you have with katakuri having a really potent coo far better than even his mom
thats not the case with coc.

now he might be able to do things with it that we havent seen with kaido
but it isnt stronger.
I don’t know the gimmick behind COC. But it’s clear that Shanks spirit was always hyped, again and again. And I don’t talk about him having the straw hats for fews years, being linked to Luffy (COC specialist) etc.
 

Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
Or even worse Oda draw that Akainu don’t have coc and still fight luffy and Sabo and fight become most difficult fight ever. Akainu just brute strong warrior like broly and literally broly anger issue when mention of luffy. Akainu is crazy about luffy and want to kill him. Don’t why people think luffy vs Akainu won’t happen.

I will take my L if appo and drake defeat cp0. Appo is tattletell guy and spill the beans to public like big new morgan.
I think overall.

Let's say you have 100% potential guy 1 and guy 2

Guy 1 becomes admiral
Guy 2 becomes pirate

( Exception are people like Zoro and swordsman, since they learning the craft both like guy 1 and guy 2 ).

I think Guy 1 becomes more well rounded because of Marines training program, pirates have to find everything out themselves.

+ I doubt Fleet Admiral a dude who basically leads entire crew + Yonko caliber fighters under him is not having CoC.

We are safe.
 
  1. It was referring to influence and military might not personal combat ability.
  2. Mihawk isn't a pirate.
1. They are the most powerful pirates in all aspects. The story all the way up until now supports this narrative throuh and through, there are countless examples. They wouldnt be Yonkos if that werent the case. Mihawk himself admitted a distance between him and WB. Mihawk backed out of MF after Shanks showed up

2. Yes he is, being a shichibukai is being a pirate allied with the WG. Boa was still called a pirate empress despite being a shichibukai.
 
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Haki is ambition and Conqueror's Haki is the most supreme ambition out there, the ones with the most willpower/ambition/spirit/whatever and can stand tall over many others at least. To conquer others literally ofc, so it makes complete sense for the WGS to have it, the one who reigns supreme at the top of all the swordsmen out there.

There's absolutely no way he doesn't have it imo but I am severely disappointed with how Oda has been writing Mihawk post TS aside from the flashback/callbacks to training Zoro over the timeskip ofc. I really hope this is all intentional by Oda as for some ridiculous reason he is completely irrelevant as well as even Jozu and Vista in the land of SAMURAI, although Jozu and Vista visited the outskirts of it ever so briefly in the past ofc.

I think if it wasn't for Zoro's dream and thus having to wait for EOS or so, we would have probably seen Mihawk go all out or at least fight more seriously by now. It's sad we see much more of him in games and movies than in the canon, same with Shanks too.
I just really hope this is all part of Oda's plan and once the time comes, he's gonna truly wank Mihawk to the very heavens finally. No more teases. Full on haki mastery and such, named moves too ideally.
 

Cinera

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Lol no one really believed that he does not have it in the first place for real.. That's just dumb fan wars stuff tbh. It was clear from the start.
At one moment he's clashing equally with Vista (physical strength + hardening probably) at the other he bumps out what looks to be like a 10.000 pound cannon.. How could this be even possible if not for some extra power that's not physical strength based..?
Man I knew that such stuff was coming like over 10years ago, solely because of this little fact alone, if his title, standing and portrayal wasn't enough for some.
Mihawk simply wasn't serious against Vista. He also postponed against Don Krieg.

I don't think Mihawk clashing against Vista is indicative of any of Mihawk's stats.


One of the greatest though? I dunno.. The thing is, his title is not as wanted as something like the PK title. He himself admitted that it's tougher to reach. He's definitely among the strongest, but besides Roger and Primebeard, it's imo basically give or take.
Them guys are all splitting the sky like madmen.
Taming Yoru and forging it into Kokuto implies that he's of a considerably higher calibre than Oden. Kaido grouped Oden among the very strongest:


@LANJI CUCKSMOKE.
 
Strongest Warlord.
Strongest Marine.
Strongest Pirate.

:cheers:
How I see three people.

Milhawk- greatest/strongest swordman, highest coO and will have coc in future. Calm and cool guy. Made the blade into black blade which it said to be greatest feats for swordman.

‘Blackbeard- believe in fate guy, use plan with high iq and his lucks. Get the best devil fruits for himself and his crew. Best weapon collection in his basement, have three razor sharp edge of claw use to scar Shank.

Akainu- berserk angry warrior in marine disguise. He will target the enemy and do everything to kill the enemy. Use his raw brute strength and tanks many hits to get thing done . Have magma fruit which it is said highest offensive fruit. Literally when orc join the marine.
 
1- Lolo novel specifically told us that Mihawk's title is not set in stone. People were discussing who is the Greatest Swordsman; Vista, Shanks, Mihawk, Dressrosa Lolo? They could all be Greatest Swordsman according to the Novel, I didn't say this, the Novel says it.

Zoro Novel: ''One marine claims that the strongest swordsman in the world is definitely Mihawk, the other marine claims it's Zoro. They witnessed their sword techniques in marineford and dressrosa. Mihawk cut down gigantic ice block. Zoro cut down gigantic Pica.''
''They start talking about other candidates: Vista, Shanks and Ryuuma. A marine says Vista was able to fight Mihawk equally for a short moment. Ryuma is strong, but he is already dead. According to another marine, Shanks is said to be the rival of Mihawk. He faced Akainu without fear. 2 of the marines have heard that Shanks is a very strong swordsman. But another marine says it's not that Shanks showed his great technique with his sword in Marineford.''
--- Translation by Sandman


2- Mihawk never showed the ambition to surpass anyone, he never showed the ambition to become the greatest swordsman, if people calls him greatest swordsman, it doesn't make him that he wants to be one. Or surpass anyone while being one. He and Lolo are different in this area. Lolo showed that he wants to surpass Mihawk, Mihawk never showed the ambition to surpass anyone. It's not usable for Mihawk. We don't even know how Mihawk become greatest swordsman. And it's even debatable that he is not according to Lolo novel.

3- Just because Oda gave a Haki type for Lolo to surpass a certain character, that doesn't mean that certain character has the same ability.

Example; Luffy wants to be PK and has ambition to surpass Yonko, thus he learns Future Sight CoO. That doesn't mean every single Yonko has Future Sight just because Luffy learned it.
Or another example; Luffy learns the internal destruction Ad.CoA, superior to even Barrier Ad.CoA, that doesn't mean Kaido, Big mom, Shanks and Blackbeard can all use internal destruction Ad.CoA just because Luffy can use it and wants to surpass Yonko, and just because he has kingly ambitions. That doesn't mean Yonko can use Future Sight and Internal Destruction Ad.CoA.

4- According to Lolo fans, Lolo can never surpass Mihawk, because whenever Lolo does something, they think Mihawk can do it as well. This logic is incredibly flawed and with this logic, Lolo can never surpass Mihawk, because according to Lolo fans every ability that Lolo has Mihawk will have it too, plus Mihawk will always be more experienced than Lolo, so it's not possible for Lolo to surpass Mihawk with this logic, due to Mihawk having every ability that Lolo has + has more experience.

-Either, Lolo will have Ad.CoC and Mihawk won't have, so that will be the key difference between the two.
-Or, both have Ad.CoC, but Mihawk's Ad.CoC will be weaker than Lolo's Ad.CoC and Mihawk will lose.

Even in the second most wanked Mihawk scenario, where Mihawk will have Ad.CoC BUT Mihawk's Ad.CoC will be inferior to even Lolo's Ad.CoC level, so even then there is no way Mihawk can match with Yonko and Yonko level Ad.CoC power level, when it's inferior to even Luffy's underling Lolo's Ad.CoC, so Mihawk will be inferior to Yonko level even in the most wanked scenario where Mihawk automatically will have every ability that Lolo has.

5- Funny enough, Lolo never remembers any lesssons from Mihawk on Wano yet, not even CoC Haki demonstration or any Ad.CoA Haki demonstration, while Luffy specifically sees Rayleigh's CoC, and remembers Rayleigh's Ad.CoA application in flashback and Rayleigh's Future Sight mentions, Rayleigh heard about that Future Sight so he warns Luffy, while Lolo never remembers anything from Mihawk, not even warnings about those superior abilities, instead Lolo think about Oden's sword on Wano, Oden's Haki, and Kinemon's Fire cutting techniques to improve himself, if Mihawk had all these abilities, at least Oden's Haki level, then Oda should've shown Mihawk's flashback as well, not only mention Oden's Haki level, and Kinemon's fire cutting technique. Lolo was pushed to his limits several times, he never remembers Mihawk's training and he never gets stronger by remembering those trainings, it's Oden's sword, trying to reach Oden's Haki level, and learning Kinemon's fire cutting abilities made Lolo stronger on Wano.

6- Lolo already begged Mihawk for training, if Luffy begged Kaido for training, Luffy vs. Kaido wouldn't happen. Only Lolo fanboys still believes Lolo vs. Mihawk will happen despite Lolo begging Mihawk for training, Oda specifically did this to remove Mihawk from the equation where he and Lolo fights to death, not only this he also removed Shichibukai so they really won't fight again, unless mihawk joins Shanks and Luffy fights Shanks and Lolo fights mihawk, this is very unlikely, instead Oda put first King there to unlock Ad.CoC, then both King's and Mihawk's superior Shiryu will be Lolo's next opponent. Lolo vs. Mihawk won't happen, so Lolo vs. Mihawk clashing with Ad.CoC won't happen as well. Mihawk is old news.

Debunked all too easy.



This is why you guys are hypocrites LOL.

The first post thinks Mihawk should have CoC based on Lolo will surpass him, and Mihawk was never even mentioned in this chapter, just that Lolo shows the ambition to surpass Mihawk, that doesn't mean Mihawk has that same ambition when they called him greatest swordsman. Mihawk's title is still not set in stone as Lolo novel told us. And it's possible that Lolo will surpass Mihawk with Ad.CoC difference, since he will be superior to Mihawk.

Chinjao shows CoC, AND TELLS Luffy only Blackbeard has potential to surpass others and become PK, Chinjao directly mentions Blackbeard's name, and yet you say it's possible he doesn't have it. But somehow Mihawk will definitely have that, when it's also obvious that Luffy's underling Lolo will surpass this guy, and it will be Luffy > Luffy's underling Lolo > Mihawk, just how powerful Mihawk can be in this equation? Even if he has it, it will be like Yamato level at best, definitely inferior to Lolo's Ad.CoC, let alone to Yonko level heaven splitting Ad.CoC level. So it wouldn't make Mihawk stronger than YC1s or Yamato in any case.
You just read it, since you quoted me, assuming you don't have an auto quote function whenever I post something? :suresure:


Kicking mihawk's butt might make him a king, and make mihawk a little b!tch that's being surpassed by Luffy's UNDERLING Lolo, Luffy's underling Lolo become mihawk's King, yes. :gokulaugh: Just how weak mihawk must be?


Lolo said he is going to die by using too much Haki :suresure: Let's see how long he will last, if it was King + Queen, he wouldn't last more than 1 chapter.



mihawk asked for postponement, I didn't see him overpowering Vista like Jinbe overpowered Shichibukai Moria.

You think the power difference between Vista and Mihawk, is smaller than the power difference between Jinbe and Moria? So Mihawk can't pass Vista and asks postponement?:gokulaugh:
He never said or anyone ever said he had reasons to become Shichibukai, you are being a mihawk fanboy confirmed.


-mihawk was never even mentioned in Wano, he never even conquered Wano Samurai
-mihawk never dueled even with Vista before, who is according to mihawk, is a famous swordsman, and mihawk postponed against him when he had chance to conquer him, he never even conquered Vista
-mihawk never conquered even Pre-Yonko Shanks, as he said he doesn't want to ''settle'' things with him after Shanks's injury, he never beat even Pre-Yonko Shanks, let alone Yonko Shanks
-you don't believe mihawk conquered Fujitora or Rayleigh, do you? :suresure:

mihawk didn't conquer shit, there is a reason Lolo novel says mihawk's title is debatable.


mihawk is a pirate, we don't know what his goal is, he literally admitted being PK is even harder than surpassing him, he says being PK > SURPASSING mihawk > mihawk, mihawk says he can't be PK even if he wanted, since even surpassing his level is not enough to be a PK. mihawk says that, you make excuses about mihawk's goal, no one ever said anything about what mihawk's goal was or is, baseless shit again.


yes by being a shichibukai he can protect his insignificant island which is in paradise grandline not even in new world from Larines and Ladmirals, which makes him a government dog due to his weakness, when they are also busy with Yonko, imagine he can't even protect his insignificant island from Larines but fanboys believing he is yonko level :gokulaugh:
True, because Boa needs to think about her own island and people, who mihawk needs to think about? Baboons? There is literally no one in that island that he can worry about, he can randomly fight without being distracted.

As for Doflamingo, his island is in new world, which makes it even more valuable than other islands, plus he has underworld connections so he needs that protection.

mihawk was just chilling on his insignificant island without worrying about anyone,

this alone proves mihawk is not worthy since he cares about no one,

Lolo fans think Lolo meant the title, but he is talking about giving promises to other people, being a king by keeping his promises to others, that's how one becomes king, via connection with others.

what promises mihawk gave to baboons? what promises mihawk accomplished in his life? Literally no evidences here.

Does mihawk even want to settle things with Shanks? What is his ambition? He didn't even keep attacking WB after saying he wants to see the power difference.

Look at Blackbeard, and Shanks, they constantly challenge people, always has ambition to surpass others,

mihawk showed none of that, he constantly postpones and declines duel with Shanks, gives up to see the power difference between WB and himself once Jozu showed up.


Kaido did mention Shanks, WB, Roger etc

You said mihawk conquered other swordsman, he didn't conquer Wano Samurai

Kaido conquered Wano Samurai,

Even Big mom didn't give a fuck and attacked them,

when did mihawk attack Wano?

Even Ace went there when he was Pre-Prime, had duel with Yamato.

mihawk is still mia.



Vista is humble, look at Buggy, he didn't give a fuck, attacked him casually, or look at Crocodile, you think they are superior to Vista, or Vista is a humble guy?

Debunked.

What krieg has anything to do with this? mihawk destroyed krieg's fleet anyway, he didn't need to do more, he did nothing against Vista,

You said he conquered other swordsman, I said he didn't even conquer Vista, then you gave example about Krieg? What? Krieg isn't even a swordsman, what nonsense is this?

Shanks wanted to duel with mihawk, mihawk declined it, they could find out who is the stronger if mihawk didn't decline it, of course you fanboys would say Pre-Yonko Blackbeard retreating from Lakainu means Lakainu stronger, when Blackbeard has strategical reasons, and when his crew was bored and he shouldn't be fighting with Larines again on that island in a potential ambush after already soloing Sengoku+Garp, but when it comes to prime mihawk, mihawk declining to duel with Shanks, means nothing, double standards I guess.

If Shanks was nerfed, he couldn't be a Yonko, doesn't mihawk follow newspapers? Why he isn't curious how Shanks become a Yonko when he is nerfed and how he didn't lose to Kaido and WB? mihawk definitely can see and sense that Shanks's power has grown stronger and he doesn't want that smoke, he didn't conquer shit, he just play safe.

If you don't know if mihawk conquered Fujitora or not, why are you saying mihawk conquered all swordsman? So Fujitora is not a swordsman or not? If you don't know you shouldn't be wanking mihawk with saying he conquered every swordsman.

mihawk only accepted to train Lolo, because Lolo begged him like a little b!tch and mihawk realized Lolo is doing this for Luffy's sake, and mihawk is interested in Luffy's journey to become PK, as he even went to Shanks like little b!tch and informed Shanks about Luffy's first bounty, that's how mihawk is, a sidekick observer nothing to do with top tiers in the story, no way Oda will give this guy big ambitions and make him as powerful as ambitious Yonko, it's ridiculous,

mihawk's part in this story helping SH pirates at this point, he won't go to fight Lolo after Luffy becomes PK and they won't fight in an isolated island to see who is stronger, that's irrelevant to story, Lolo vs King is relevant only because of Luffy, Lolo vs. mihawk should be relevant to story as well, mihawk either joins Shanks and fights either BB pirates or SH pirates, and he would be weaker than Shanks by doing that,

or he can keep staying irrelevant and Lolo casually surpasses him while mihawk is still doing nothing in the story, he should lose his so called empty title due to inactivity.



People in one piece world are not sure who is the greatest swordsman,

There would be no doubt who is PK and who are Yonko.

That's the difference.

mihawk didn't conquer shit, that's why they can say Vista and Pre-Yonko Shanks, since they all fought and there was no winner.

It's that simple,

We learned mihawk wasn't even in Wano as well, he didn't conquer Wano Samurai too, you believe he conquered every swordsman where there is literally 0 evidence that he did.


According to you mihawk fanboys, mihawk is Yonko level or even above right?

mihawk says surpassing him is not enough to be PK.

If anyone is above Yonko level, it's easy to become a PK.

Luffy's biggest challenge is surpassing Yonko level, the rest is just details.

If you think Luffy's biggest challenge is not surpassing Yonko level, you are being a mihawk fanboy and a troll.

Once Luffy surpasses Yonko level, the rest is a piece of cake.

If mihawk was Yonko level, then surpassing him would make things extremely easy to be the PK.

As usual debunked hard.
What I said is very simple.

For someone like mihawk, who doesn't have a crew, to attack a Yonko without his Shichibukai title, is the most idiotic thing he can do.

His best chance to defeat a Yonko, when he had back up from the world government and Larines, the marineford battle was also perfect for that opportunity, but he didn't even do that.

Now the Larines are chasing him like a dog, he should also attack Yonko at the same time while fighting Larines? It makes no sense,

Unless mihawk has ambitions to conquer everyone and be PK, it doesn't look like mihawk will do that, he will probably have his hands full with Larines already.

Which can force him to join Shanks and be Shanks's underling, so we can finally end this mihawk is being equal or superior to Shanks nonsense.
No one ever said what mihawk's dream is, that's you being a mihawk fanboy to suggest that you know it and you claim that he achieved it.

That's 1 thing,

And another is Lolo novel specifically tells us that mihawk's title is debatable, since he never beat Vista and Pre-Yonko Shanks, people were saying who is the greatest swordsman, that's Lolo novel not me.

No one would say Roger isn't PK or Shanks and other 3 aren't Yonko so, that's the difference here.


You didn't read well, he later admitted to Krieg, he went after Krieg's head;





Because he didn't go to fight with Shanks. He went to Shanks like a little b!tch to inform Shanks about Luffy, that's how sidekick he is.

What I said is that if he is going to fight with Yonko at any point in his career, then he should've done it when he was a Shichibukai not after losing his Shichibukai title.

I never said he should fight Yonko, it's you mihawk fanboys with fanarts saying that he will fight Shanks after declining Shanks's fight offer 2 times in 2 different locations when he was a Shichibukai, now he should fight Shanks after losing his title? Ridiculous.

mihawk is probably swinging his sword to stay alive while running from Larines and SSG right now, not against Shanks, Lmao.



Equals at what? mihawk has no ambition to become PK or Emperor and ruler of the Sea, so they can't be equals, mihawk can only assist Shanks, as he was assisting World Government as a Shichibukai,

Instead of serving World Government, now he will serve Shanks.

That's already established as mihawk even said he won't fight Shanks even if World Government tells him to do it at marineford battle, he would easily choose Shanks over world government and now world government betrayed him, he can join Shanks and become his underling just like he was an underling of World Government, it's not new for mihawk.
The way you mass produce verbal diarrhea is really fucking impressive. I wish I had your work ethic
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I don’t think you wanna bet that Mihawk > Roger ?
I'd really like to bet on that. My entire account or anything. Or whatever you choose.
 
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:hohoho:

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. :cheers:
How I see three people.

Milhawk- greatest/strongest swordman, highest coO and will have coc in future. Calm and cool guy. Made the blade into black blade which it said to be greatest feats for swordman.

‘Blackbeard- believe in fate guy, use plan with high iq and his lucks. Get the best devil fruits for himself and his crew. Best weapon collection in his basement, have three razor sharp edge of claw use to scar Shank.

Akainu- berserk angry warrior in marine disguise. He will target the enemy and do everything to kill the enemy. Use his raw brute strength and tanks many hits to get thing done . Have magma fruit which it is said highest offensive fruit. Literally when orc join the marine.
The old gen reflection, the Three Great Powers trio is going to save OP at the endgame. :steef:

 
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