Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion

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I like Kaido
But for him to actually make use of the Old woman to transform into Momonosuke as a way to distract Oden?
That simply made him look like a "coward"
I understand that this is a pirate fight. 1 vs 1 being honored is not to be guaranteed. But among all the 4 Yonko. The person who I'd be LEAST expecting this move from... It's Kaido. The guy wants to commit suicide??? He's searcing for WB??? He is testing Luffy during the fight???? Hello??? Where is that proud warrior???

In comparison, Big Mom herself, when Luffy attacked Mother caramel Pic, and Katakuri attacked Luffy. Big Mom response was "how dare you intervene? do you think I need protection?" That's what big Mom told Katakuri.

What most of us expected from kaido is not to be honroable of course cause he's a villain. But at least we expected him to be "Warrior" who is eager to any fight, eager to have his 1 vs 1. Someone like Kenpachi from Bleach who would slaughter you before intervening in his fight and steal his prey.

But this???
That's what orochi and BB would do man. It made kaido's stock sink for me. Sure, that makes him more dangerous as villain. But we got plenty of those type of villains from Shicibukai. Yonko are supposed to be different league in that they back up their words and do it themselves..
But it seems it will honestly end up as:

Luffy vs Kaido
1 vs 1
No question about it for me at this point. After this flashback? I find it hard to believe what some people suggested about so many supernova ganging up on him

Cause from what it seems. Oden was destroying Kaido perfectly fine with simple "Haki"
So, advanced Haki with Luffy would fuck Kaido up. And it's the solution Oda provided and it will be the solution here.
Bad writing, just like the 5 years thing
 
all of you "5 year bad wiring" bros
Im sorry calling it bad writing is just your bad opinion

do tell how you will fix this

a) oden needs to just lose to kaido :
inconsistent power level.

b) oden win :
please drop one piece!
the straw hat would not have meet kinemon, border would be open, thriller bark might not happen
and you say 5 year is bad writing lol

c) it doesnt have to be 5 year:
then it doesnt match with shiaroshi's prophecy

d) how about we wait and see:
 
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I like Kaido
But for him to actually make use of the Old woman to transform into Momonosuke as a way to distract Oden?
That simply made him look like a "coward"
I understand that this is a pirate fight. 1 vs 1 being honored is not to be guaranteed. But among all the 4 Yonko. The person who I'd be LEAST expecting this move from... It's Kaido. The guy wants to commit suicide??? He's searcing for WB??? He is testing Luffy during the fight???? Hello??? Where is that proud warrior???

In comparison, Big Mom herself, when Luffy attacked Mother caramel Pic, and Katakuri attacked Luffy. Big Mom response was "how dare you intervene? do you think I need protection?" That's what big Mom told Katakuri.

What most of us expected from kaido is not to be honroable of course cause he's a villain. But at least we expected him to be "Warrior" who is eager to any fight, eager to have his 1 vs 1. Someone like Kenpachi from Bleach who would slaughter you before intervening in his fight and steal his prey.

But this???
That's what orochi and BB would do man. It made kaido's stock sink for me. Sure, that makes him more dangerous as villain. But we got plenty of those type of villains from Shicibukai. Yonko are supposed to be different league in that they back up their words and do it themselves..
But it seems it will honestly end up as:

Luffy vs Kaido
1 vs 1
No question about it for me at this point. After this flashback? I find it hard to believe what some people suggested about so many supernova ganging up on him

Cause from what it seems. Oden was destroying Kaido perfectly fine with simple "Haki"
So, advanced Haki with Luffy would fuck Kaido up. And it's the solution Oda provided and it will be the solution here.
You have high standards for pirates mate.
 
The spoilers literally said they were fighting equal before the grandma.
But also in the spoiler state that the Grandma save up Kaido who even state it after he take out Oden that if the Grandma wasn't their, they would be in trouble.

Overall this chapter offer so much, not only that Oda hint/tease the ability of the Calamities, I want to know how long the battle last.

But be honest I still miss something. It isn't probably a big deal but recently I feeling like Oda don't show impressiv feats anymore. And with saying impressiv feats, I mean destruction feats. I can understand if High tier or under that lvl don't gonna show much destruction feats but I feeling like something is missing. Judging by the panels with I read, I don't see something similar as like when Roger clash with Whitebeard(wasn't even seriously) or Whitebeard feats in Marineford. I miss feats like we see in Dressrosa where Zoro cut up a whole mountain or Luffy splitting and lift up a city or Law mountain cut. The battle with Oden vs Kaido is a battle of top tiers yet they are less impressiv as the feats which I say above. Probably tomorrow we see more and crazy feats but I expect little more of top tiers clashing each other... Roger vs Whitebeard was crazy featwise,but as I said it isn't really a big deal and only in my opinion a normal "problem".

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How you guys feel about these what I post above, do you feel the same with beeing underwhelmed by the first top tier battle who was a all out battle?
 
Yes but they were not called "Yonkos" and who said he challenged them all....
so again as I said
you cant say this event was before or after he challenged the yonkos
cause it doesnt help your narrative at all. big mom has not seen kaido in "decades "
fighting wb before this actually means he fought him closer to his prime
only one missing is shanks.
my point stands. he didnt grow 5 years prior. he is not growing as much as you think 14 yrs later. oden is just that strong. people act like kaido got a new df after this fight . lmao
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Kaido wasn't even a Youkou back then. He said to challenge youkous and marines. So he was getting stronger.
back when?
before this fight ?
 
But also in the spoiler state that the Grandma save up Kaido who even state it after he take out Oden that if the Grandma wasn't their, they would be in trouble.

Overall this chapter offer so much, not only that Oda hint/tease the ability of the Calamities, I want to know how long the battle last.

But be honest I still miss something. It isn't probably a big deal but recently I feeling like Oda don't show impressiv feats anymore. And with saying impressiv feats, I mean destruction feats. I can understand if High tier or under that lvl don't gonna show much destruction feats but I feeling like something is missing. Judging by the panels with I read, I don't see something similar as like when Roger clash with Whitebeard(wasn't even seriously) or Whitebeard feats in Marineford. I miss feats like we see in Dressrosa where Zoro cut up a whole mountain or Luffy splitting and lift up a city or Law mountain cut. The battle with Oden vs Kaido is a battle of top tiers yet they are less impressiv as the feats which I say above. Probably tomorrow we see more and crazy feats but I expect little more of top tiers clashing each other... Roger vs Whitebeard was crazy featwise,but as I said it isn't really a big deal and only in my opinion a normal "problem".
Bad situation can mean anything. Doesn't mean he was going to lose.
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wrong
wb was already in power
big mom confimed to hold her territories for decades plural
kaido said he hadnt met big mom in decades.
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keep fishing lol
only one missing is shanks who stopped him in mf.
Youkous were not a thing 20 years ago idiot. Lmao
 
I like Kaido
But for him to actually make use of the Old woman to transform into Momonosuke as a way to distract Oden?
That simply made him look like a "coward"
I understand that this is a pirate fight. 1 vs 1 being honored is not to be guaranteed. But among all the 4 Yonko. The person who I'd be LEAST expecting this move from... It's Kaido. The guy wants to commit suicide??? He's searcing for WB??? He is testing Luffy during the fight???? Hello??? Where is that proud warrior???

In comparison, Big Mom herself, when Luffy attacked Mother caramel Pic, and Katakuri attacked Luffy. Big Mom response was "how dare you intervene? do you think I need protection?" That's what big Mom told Katakuri.

What most of us expected from kaido is not to be honroable of course cause he's a villain. But at least we expected him to be "Warrior" who is eager to any fight, eager to have his 1 vs 1. Someone like Kenpachi from Bleach who would slaughter you before intervening in his fight and steal his prey.

But this???
That's what orochi and BB would do man. It made kaido's stock sink for me. Sure, that makes him more dangerous as villain. But we got plenty of those type of villains from Shicibukai. Yonko are supposed to be different league in that they back up their words and do it themselves..
But it seems it will honestly end up as:

Luffy vs Kaido
1 vs 1
No question about it for me at this point. After this flashback? I find it hard to believe what some people suggested about so many supernova ganging up on him

Cause from what it seems. Oden was destroying Kaido perfectly fine with simple "Haki"
So, advanced Haki with Luffy would fuck Kaido up. And it's the solution Oda provided and it will be the solution here.
At first I thought luffy would do 70% of the job but yeah I'm more and more convinced that he will solo kaido.
I actually like that kaido cheap shot oden, because before that to people he was some kind of invincible god, now we see that fear can affect him.
And he will lose his shit again against luffy.
 
They get shit on too. It literally said he got saved by a storm from Shiki. Garp literally said Roger was lucky.
Luck is the measure of how great someone can be.
Also being lucky isn't a bad thing, that ain't shitting on.
Oda literally dedicated three chapters to Roger telling what we already knew (mostly) and even always making people state "what a wonderful life he lived".
 
Bad writing, just like the 5 years thing
Honestly, after this chapter.
I came to terms with the people who were saying that Kaido is NOT the strongest in the series. And that people who are Haki monsters like "Shanks" are above Kaido.

Cause Oden basically in this chapter cleared the way for Luffy (in my opinion) to defeat him by himself. Naturally it's a big war, it will not be a clear cut 1 vs 1 without intervention. There will be some intervening here and there. But the major opponents imo will be Luffy vs Kaido

Cause after this chapter. the whole idea that "Kaido is special" / "Advanced Haki shouldn't be enough" / "There has to be some secret behind Kaido getting injured" / "Kaido is immortal". All that kind of shit went down the toilet with Oden wounding Kaido like it's nothing.

hell, Even Kaido mentioned that he would have been defeated 5 years ago if Oden decided to fight (since 5 years ago, Oden would join hands with Hyogoro, and the townsfolk were still on Oden side, so he would have gotten lots of allies)
Notice how Kaido once again, focused on Hyogoro. Luffy's current Haki teacher.

Is it bad writing? sure. I agree with you. It swiched Kaido's character 180 for me honestly.
Now, I'm one of the people who firmly think Luffy with advanced haki, can injure Kaido FINE. and sure, it'll take all of Luffy's effort and it will make him go beyond his limits. But Luffy basically GOT the tools that can defeat Kaido is all I'm saying
 

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Honestly, after this chapter.
I came to terms with the people who were saying that Kaido is NOT the strongest in the series. And that people who are Haki monsters like "Shanks" are above Kaido.

Cause Oden basically in this chapter cleared the way for Luffy (in my opinion) to defeat him by himself. Naturally it's a big war, it will not be a clear cut 1 vs 1 without intervention. There will be some intervening here and there. But the major opponents imo will be Luffy vs Kaido

Cause after this chapter. the whole idea that "Kaido is special" / "Advanced Haki shouldn't be enough" / "There has to be some secret behind Kaido getting injured" / "Kaido is immortal". All that kind of shit went down the toilet with Oden wounding Kaido like it's nothing.

hell, Even Kaido mentioned that he would have been defeated 5 years ago if Oden decided to fight (since 5 years ago, Oden would join hands with Hyogoro, and the townsfolk were still on Oden side, so he would have gotten lots of allies)
Notice how Kaido once again, focused on Hyogoro. Luffy's current Haki teacher.

Is it bad writing? sure. I agree with you. It swiched Kaido's character 180 for me honestly.
Now, I'm one of the people who firmly think Luffy with advanced haki, can injure Kaido FINE. and sure, it'll take all of Luffy's effort and it will make him go beyond his limits. But Luffy basically GOT the tools that can defeat Kaido is all I'm saying
Advanced haki isnt what cut kaido open.
 
I like Kaido
But for him to actually make use of the Old woman to transform into Momonosuke as a way to distract Oden?
That simply made him look like a "coward"
I understand that this is a pirate fight. 1 vs 1 being honored is not to be guaranteed. But among all the 4 Yonko. The person who I'd be LEAST expecting this move from... It's Kaido. The guy wants to commit suicide??? He's searcing for WB??? He is testing Luffy during the fight???? Hello??? Where is that proud warrior???

In comparison, Big Mom herself, when Luffy attacked Mother caramel Pic, and Katakuri attacked Luffy. Big Mom response was "how dare you intervene? do you think I need protection?" That's what big Mom told Katakuri.

What most of us expected from kaido is not to be honroable of course cause he's a villain. But at least we expected him to be "Warrior" who is eager to any fight, eager to have his 1 vs 1. Someone like Kenpachi from Bleach who would slaughter you before intervening in his fight and steal his prey.

But this???
That's what orochi and BB would do man. It made kaido's stock sink for me. Sure, that makes him more dangerous as villain. But we got plenty of those type of villains from Shicibukai. Yonko are supposed to be different league in that they back up their words and do it themselves..
But it seems it will honestly end up as:

Luffy vs Kaido
1 vs 1
No question about it for me at this point. After this flashback? I find it hard to believe what some people suggested about so many supernova ganging up on him

Cause from what it seems. Oden was destroying Kaido perfectly fine with simple "Haki"
So, advanced Haki with Luffy would fuck Kaido up. And it's the solution Oda provided and it will be the solution here.
1. Kaido wasn't a youkou 20 years ago nor was he this strong.
2. I don't see him ask for it.
3. Luffy isn't fighting the Kaido from back then. So thinking he 1 v 1 him is stupid. Its just like Oden was said to be many times stronger when he came back from his adventures.
 
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