Powers & Abilities Queen proves that Shiryu’s DF is dogshit

[Finalbeta]

Pacifista proves Pika Pika is dogshit

Well funnily it seems that lasers are strangely not luminar speed in One Piece, because some characters will dodge a Pacifista but not dodge some top tiers so Kizaru's should be conceived as faster and trickier at least.

 

[BOCCHI]

Even the worst Zoro wankers won't say shit like this.

I wouldn’t call myself as a Zorofan or wanker, but that’s just how it is. Zoro at that point would be just too OP as a top tier for Shyriu. The clear fruit would only help him to be more difficult to defeat due to invisibility and we gonna see lots of cheap shots on Zoro.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Queen proves what Absalom already proves, that Oda has big plans for Shiryu’s DF that goes beyond what we’ve seen so far from invisibility.

He’s not gave one of Zoro’s final opponents a fruit from a defeated pre-timeskip fodder on a whim.

 

[ConquistadoR]

I wouldn’t call myself as a Zorofan or wanker, but that’s just how it is. Zoro at that point would be just too OP as a top tier for Shyriu. The clear fruit would only help him to be more difficult to defeat due to invisibility and we gonna see lots of cheap shots on Zoro.

Thats exactly what yall give Zoro fans shit for when it comes to what happened with King.

An inferior subordinate of teach was given a mythical zoan while shiryu got the suke suke fruit. Oda will make sure that he's overpowered enough to make zoro struggle. Theres clearly more to the fruit than what meets the eye.

 

[nik87]

Queen’s tech let’s him turn invisible just as well as Shiryu, and that’s just one of the many features of Queen’s tech. The RHM of a future PK+ level character has a DF that provides much less benefits than Queen’s tech.

Uhm how exactly this has proven what the title claims?

 

[Adam 🍎]

My biggest problem with Shyriu is that this dude has a feat of killing fodder but loosing to Magellan in his prime

There just isnt enough hype for him generated to make.me believe this guy is some EOS big fight. Hell even Burgess is jobber

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I think it's mostly fair to scale Shiryuu's invisibility to what we've seen in Germa Invisibility for now. It's likely to surpass it, but we have zero idea by how much.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It’s only bad against those who have good CoO.

King/Queen/Hawkins/Drake/Doffy all couldn’t sense invisible enemies near them and couldn’t track invisible targets. Invisibility is pretty helpful when you realize that most high tiers won’t be able to sense you.

 

[Reborn]

I think it's not fair to scale Shiryuu's invisibility to what we've seen in Germa Invisibility for now. It's likely to surpass it, but we have zero idea by how much.

 

[ConquistadoR]

It’s only bad against those who have good CoO.

King/Queen/Hawkins/Drake/Doffy all couldn’t sense invisible enemies near them and couldn’t track invisible targets. Invisibility is pretty helpful when you realize that most high tiers won’t be able to sense you.

Not really. Ruskaina Luffy when he was being trained was able to do it.

In the case of King/Queen/Hawkins/Drake the invisible opponent never attacked them; they never showed the intent which CoO users pick up on - as explained by Rayleigh.

And in Doffy's case, its highly unlikely an injured Moria, Absalom and Hogback will attack Doffy and a squad of Pacifistas.

Unless you think King/Queen/Hawkins/Drake/Doffy have weaker CoO than Ruskaina Luffy who was barely learning CoO ofcourse.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Not really. Ruskaina Luffy when he was being trained was able to do it.

In the case of King/Queen/Hawkins/Drake the invisible opponent never attacked them; they never showed the intent which CoO users pick up on - as explained by Rayleigh.

And in Doffy's case, its highly unlikely an injured Moria, Absalom and Hogback will attack Doffy and a squad of Pacifistas.

Unless you think King/Queen/Hawkins/Drake/Doffy have weaker CoO than Ruskaina Luffy who was barely learning CoO ofcourse.

Sanji did attack king when he was invisible and king didn’t sense it.

Sanji attacked Page One when he was invisible. Page One didn’t sense it.

And it’s canon that Moriah was saved by Absalom. And CoO doesn’t just say intent to attack, but any intent. So it helps target where you’ll dodge (as shown in Skypeia) so yes if it was that simple Doffy should’ve sensed Absaloms intent to rescue Moriah.

 

[Stalker]

I think Shiryu will not just turn himself invisible but also his (range-) attacks and the environment around him. So his opponent not just have to find him but has to find out where his attacks are coming from and where the ground is.

 

[Reborn]

Sanji did attack king when he was invisible and king didn’t sense it.

Sanji attacked Page One when he was invisible. Page One didn’t sense it.

And it’s canon that Moriah was saved by Absalom. And CoO doesn’t just say intent to attack, but any intent. So it helps target where you’ll dodge (as shown in Skypeia) so yes if it was that simple Doffy should’ve sensed Absaloms intent to rescue Moriah.

Tatsumaki and large AoE slashes would be my bet. In Dressrosa, he had massive air slashes. Queen's anything but a speedster so Zoro just needs to apply common sense and say Queen moved in one of two directions and send out a vertical slash. Or be cheeky and send out a horizontal slash.

I do think Zoro v. Shiryuu will come down to a CoO flex from Zoro. He's going to need to be at least a top high tier in all Haki stats (he's already above that with CoA and CoC) in order to beat Mihawk

 

[Chrono]

Germa's invisibility is just a visual while Clear Clear fruit literally lets you disappear.

Where did you learn that ? Cause Sanji could still hear Absaldom. He could still touch Absaldom. How is it any different.

 

[Reborn]

Where do you learn that ?

Wiki

 

[Chrono]

Wiki

Is that written by Oda. Cool

 

[ConquistadoR]

Sanji did attack king when he was invisible and king didn’t sense it.

Didn't happen. Sanji rescued Momo and flew away. The next thing we see is King and Sanji clashing - either King attacked and Sanji blocked or Sanji attacked and King blocked. Either way your scenario didn't happen.

Sanji attacked Page One when he was invisible. Page One didn’t sense it.

Hence you can conclude that, Page One has shit or close to nonexistant CoO. Doesn't apply to the other characters.

And it’s canon that Moriah was saved by Absalom. And CoO doesn’t just say intent to attack, but any intent. So it helps target where you’ll dodge (as shown in Skypeia) so yes if it was that simple Doffy should’ve sensed Absaloms intent to rescue Moriah

Nope. Rayleigh specifically spelled out that "every attack has an intent" while teaching Luffy basic CoO. He never spelled out that every move has an intent. Maybe very proficient users like Fujitora can sense every intent - still doesn't prove that you need anything more than basic CoO to deal with science-based invisibility.

Even Sanji didn't sense Queen's surprise at his speed (surprise is also an emotion) and that is also an intent. If he did, he would've found out Queen before itself. But he didn't, he only found out Queen after he showed the intent to attack the geisha.

 

[Reborn]

Is that written by Oda. Cool

Ask wiki

 

[Ballel]

Germa's invisibility is just a visual while Clear Clear fruit literally lets you disappear.

Also undetectable to CoO?

 

[Adam 🍎]

Tatsumaki and large AoE slashes would be my bet. In Dressrosa, he had massive air slashes. Queen's anything but a speedster so Zoro just needs to apply common sense and say Queen moved in one of two directions and send out a vertical slash. Or be cheeky and send out a horizontal slash.

I do think Zoro v. Shiryuu will come down to a CoO flex from Zoro. He's going to need to be at least a top high tier in all Haki stats (he's already above that with CoA and CoC) in order to beat Mihawk

I mean it is not that simple. Same thing was said for Tatsumaki how it can one shot King and so on.

Queen has that bounty for a reason, Zoro isnt only person Queen fought that can use Air slashes