Powers & Abilities Queen proves that Shiryu’s DF is dogshit
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Page one is stated to have CoO, it being bad is just your headcanon.
Sanji did attack king while King was about to attack Momo king never noticed it and by kings own words never sense Sanjis presence while he was invisible.
Shown outright in Skypeia that CoO reads a users intent and that includes dodging.
Sanji did attack king while King was about to attack Momo king never noticed it and by kings own words never sense Sanjis presence while he was invisible.
Shown outright in Skypeia that CoO reads a users intent and that includes dodging.
Demonstrated to be really weak at it. Not the first time this has happened.
King didn't say a single thing. As I said, either King blocked Sanji's kick or Sanji blocked King's kick - because they clashed. Sanji did not kick King in the face when he tried to kick Momo.
Who said everyone has Enel's level of CoO? Who said that's the bare requirement to deal with invisibility? From what we see, Sanji doesn't have that and he dealt with Queen just fine.
King didn't say a single thing. As I said, either King blocked Sanji's kick or Sanji blocked King's kick - because they clashed. Sanji did not kick King in the face when he tried to kick Momo.
Who said everyone has Enel's level of CoO? Who said that's the bare requirement to deal with invisibility? From what we see, Sanji doesn't have that and he dealt with Queen just fine.
It’s stronger than Ultis as Page One was the one to note Luffy not getting knocked out after Ultis headbutt not Ulti. Saying his CoO is shit is just your headcanon.
King didn’t understand that Sanjis disappearance was merely visual meaning prior to appearing King had no clue of his presence and Sanji attacked King while king was preparing to attack Momo. Why didn’t that get picked up by intent????
It wasn’t just Enel. It was all the priests who showed that. Are they all masterful CoO users now
King didn’t understand that Sanjis disappearance was merely visual meaning prior to appearing King had no clue of his presence and Sanji attacked King while king was preparing to attack Momo. Why didn’t that get picked up by intent????
It wasn’t just Enel. It was all the priests who showed that. Are they all masterful CoO users now
He wasn't able intent behind Sanji's attacks. That alone shows that he is far behind what it takes to combat invisibility users. Why is that surprising?
See Sanji either attacked King and King blocked it or Sanji blocked King's attack. Either way he picked up the intent lol.
King said and I quote, "let's see whether you can vanish and escape that!" - nowhere does this imply that he didn't understand what it is. If anything its a taunt - powerscaling this is like powerscaling Sanji and Zoro's phone call.
And?
Boa Marigold uses Ryou which is also common place in Wano. We have been shown multiple times that certain islands treat certain abilities differently. Plus that was waaaay back in pre TS when Oda didn't even flesh out haki fully. You're seriously gonna use that as an argument?
Explain why Sanji didn't pick up on Queen being surprised about Sanji's speed then. Also explain why Sanji didn't pick up Queen's anger at the geisha. The fact is Sanji picked up about Queen only when he attacked the geisha - the moment he showed the intent to attack - and not before that.
See Sanji either attacked King and King blocked it or Sanji blocked King's attack. Either way he picked up the intent lol.
King said and I quote, "let's see whether you can vanish and escape that!" - nowhere does this imply that he didn't understand what it is. If anything its a taunt - powerscaling this is like powerscaling Sanji and Zoro's phone call.
And?
Boa Marigold uses Ryou which is also common place in Wano. We have been shown multiple times that certain islands treat certain abilities differently. Plus that was waaaay back in pre TS when Oda didn't even flesh out haki fully. You're seriously gonna use that as an argument?
Explain why Sanji didn't pick up on Queen being surprised about Sanji's speed then. Also explain why Sanji didn't pick up Queen's anger at the geisha. The fact is Sanji picked up about Queen only when he attacked the geisha - the moment he showed the intent to attack - and not before that.
Because he always knew where Queen was, it wasn’t that Sanji only found Queen after he attacked the Geisha. Sanji literally figured out what happened to the geisha by reading Queens emotions and watching him.
At no point did Sanji show that he lost track of Queen nor did he have a realization of where Queen was. Hence why he was able to aim for specific parts of Queens body in his atta k.
At no point did Sanji show that he lost track of Queen nor did he have a realization of where Queen was. Hence why he was able to aim for specific parts of Queens body in his atta k.
Wishful interpretation.
Still doesn't explain why Sanji didn't destroy Queen much before he went to attack the Geisha. Especially when according to your interpretation, he knew where Queen was.
He doesn't need to listen to everything Queen thinks to understand that Queen was the one who hit the geisha earlier - he knew Queen could go invisible and he knew Queen went to hit her now. Putting 2+2 together ain't hard, especially when Sanji only remembers seeing the geisha injured and not hitting her.
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Even when he attacks Queen he asks him, "You did that, didn't you Queen?"
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Infact there are two panels where Sanji ia staring at an invisible Queen, not knowing where he is.
If Sanji can figure out where Queen was - he doesnt need to go invisible using speed in the first place.
Still doesn't explain why Sanji didn't destroy Queen much before he went to attack the Geisha. Especially when according to your interpretation, he knew where Queen was.
He doesn't need to listen to everything Queen thinks to understand that Queen was the one who hit the geisha earlier - he knew Queen could go invisible and he knew Queen went to hit her now. Putting 2+2 together ain't hard, especially when Sanji only remembers seeing the geisha injured and not hitting her.
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Even when he attacks Queen he asks him, "You did that, didn't you Queen?"
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Infact there are two panels where Sanji ia staring at an invisible Queen, not knowing where he is.
If Sanji can figure out where Queen was - he doesnt need to go invisible using speed in the first place.
Because Sanji was preparing his attack. He showed that he needed a second to assess his new powers and then create his new Ifrit Jambe.
Just seeing be invisible and go to attack the geisha wouldn’t tell him everything. It would just make him think Queens scum. It wasn’t until Queens interior thoughts mentioned that Queen attacked her earlier that Sanji knew Queen did it.
At no point in the invisibility did Oda portray Sanji as losing track of Queen. We’ve seen the effects going invisible has on others including Queen (who also couldn’t sense Sanji preparing to attack after vanishing by the way) and page one. And not once did Sanji seem to lose track of or look for Queen. And when he was ready to attack he called out the specific place he’d hit and then aim for it.
It’s pretty clear Sanji was able to see through the invisible, you have no proof that Sanji only sensed Queen when he went to attack the geisha.
Just seeing be invisible and go to attack the geisha wouldn’t tell him everything. It would just make him think Queens scum. It wasn’t until Queens interior thoughts mentioned that Queen attacked her earlier that Sanji knew Queen did it.
At no point in the invisibility did Oda portray Sanji as losing track of Queen. We’ve seen the effects going invisible has on others including Queen (who also couldn’t sense Sanji preparing to attack after vanishing by the way) and page one. And not once did Sanji seem to lose track of or look for Queen. And when he was ready to attack he called out the specific place he’d hit and then aim for it.
It’s pretty clear Sanji was able to see through the invisible, you have no proof that Sanji only sensed Queen when he went to attack the geisha.
Surprise "!!" marks and "?!!" marks in the very next panel.
If Sanji knew where Queen was, theres no need to go invisible himself - he can straight away hit him.
This is on panel proof about Sanji not being able to track invisbility users normally - just like Doffy, King, Queen, Hawkins, Drake - and can only track them when they attack or show the intent to attack.
Ofcourse his CoO is better than those mentioned above, but it still doesn't change this.
It could actually be a huge advantage since he is a swordsman. If he gets a free hit on you it could potentially end the fight or drain you a lot. Now we know Zoro's forte isn't CoO plus he doesn't have omega durability like the other wing so sneak attacks will for sure fuck him up real good.
It's a good ability but it's good coz it's shiliew using it. Some fruits though are genuinely strong with or without the user. Marco's fruit, WB's Magu etc are legit top level fruits even if Usopp was to eat them.
It's a good ability but it's good coz it's shiliew using it. Some fruits though are genuinely strong with or without the user. Marco's fruit, WB's Magu etc are legit top level fruits even if Usopp was to eat them.
