General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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I have a lot of respect for you as a person, Ndule, but your track record on all things OP is so bad that you’re virtually guaranteeing she will 
Well my track record is bad if you follow zoro fanboys useless talksAs far as I remember I've been right about 70-80% of the things I said about wano cast over the years.
Well my track record is bad if you follow zoro fanboys useless talksAs far as I remember I've been right about 70-80% of the things I said about wano cast over the years.
As the others said, we need more rational Carrot fans so its good you're here. This thread is pretty much ran on using C4N as a punching bag since most of us agree Yamato is the next SH. I'll focus on the problems I see though instead of comparing her to Yamato.
The panel below is the nail in the coffin imo. She's happy with the results and Neko essentially cut her off from any fighting by warning her about sulong. That is Oda's style when characters are finished up for the arc, especially after their major plotline. It doesn't make sense either for there to be something bigger for her character with the BM pirates or anyone else when she already avenged Pedro as she wanted. It's like expecting another character driven fight from Sanji after he finished up Queen. That's why we should take this as how Oda chose to conclude her character arc in Wano.
The panel below is the nail in the coffin imo. She's happy with the results and Neko essentially cut her off from any fighting by warning her about sulong. That is Oda's style when characters are finished up for the arc, especially after their major plotline. It doesn't make sense either for there to be something bigger for her character with the BM pirates or anyone else when she already avenged Pedro as she wanted. It's like expecting another character driven fight from Sanji after he finished up Queen. That's why we should take this as how Oda chose to conclude her character arc in Wano.
Basically, I see this line from Nekomamushi being tied in to Carrot's redemption in some way. In my mind, one of the potential redemption moments I can see happening with Carrot is her overcoming the luck based draw backs of Sulong via power-up. Something that will make Carrot consistently useful and stronger in general.
This thought started when a little after I saw this line from Nekomamushi. One can see it as a confirmation that Carrot is done fighting. I see it as a potential reminder to the audience that Carrot can still fight with Sulong. She has recovered from her fight with Perospero.
To add to this, I found it interesting how Nekomamushi almost lost to Perospero the exact same way as Carrot did, only scraping out a win through luck. Carrot's concern during that scene shows us that Nekomamushi was truly in a dire situation.
I see a potential for a Rule of 3s situation happening here, all involving Carrot. The 1st event is an unlucky loss, the 2nd event is a way too close to call lucky win, the 3rd could be the shedding of this reliance of luck to become a more useful asset to the Straw Hat crew.
The reason I think this is that unlike Sanji, Carrot has crossed off a lot of her story points except for one. Which was Pedro's will to see the dawn of the world led by the Straw Hats.
Now this dosen't guarantee anything, but I feel like this could be the motivation for Carrot to join and the catalyst for her redemption. Depending on how the wild cards play out, the Straw Hats could be put in a truly dire situation. This would be the chance that Carrot (or even Yamato tbh) could use.
Honestly, this is more of a hypothesis if anything, though I'm still thinking that the next time we see her might truly determine her fate. Either it will feed on the potential for a rule of 3s situation, or it completley sets up her eventual send off with the Straw Hats.
That last chapter there pretty much setup all the remaining plotpoints on Onigashima and Carrot has nothing to do with any of them.
Help Luffy fight Kaido? Lol.
Help Kid/Law fight Big Mom? Another lol
Yamato and Momo try to hold off the destruction of Onigashima and the FC? Nope, nothing for her there.
Dealing with Orochi and Fujurokujo? No reason for Carrot to be involved
Interact with CP0? Nada
Usopp protects Kin/Kiku? She‘s miles away and doesn’t have anything to do with that either.
Help Luffy fight Kaido? Lol.
Help Kid/Law fight Big Mom? Another lol
Yamato and Momo try to hold off the destruction of Onigashima and the FC? Nope, nothing for her there.
Dealing with Orochi and Fujurokujo? No reason for Carrot to be involved
Interact with CP0? Nada
Usopp protects Kin/Kiku? She‘s miles away and doesn’t have anything to do with that either.
Good point but we know Oda is pretty unpredictible concerning the links between the storylines and with the arrival of the World Gouv. or the fall of Onigashima there are a lot of possibilities for the future. But anyway, if Oda stays consistant, Carrot shouldn't have any interaction until the very end of the arc when she stowaway.
Why do you always complain having to explain something? Not everyone are as delusional "analytic" as you are to directly understand your point... And again, always summarize the content of your external links... 
Yup, I'm too lazy to copy paste the content here.
I'm aware of that, but it isn't a good practice on forum sites to just leave a mere link...
Whether it would be the reason for her to rejoin or not, it is imminent that she will return to the crew once they're complete (she deserves to be in Laugh Tale)...
Likely as an official member... She'll be the SH #13 as the VC implies...
Whether it would be the reason for her to rejoin or not, it is imminent that she will return to the crew once they're complete (she deserves to be in Laugh Tale)...
Likely as an official member... She'll be the SH #13 as the VC implies...
That stowaway excuse again? This is not good excuse for being absence throughout Wano arc. It would feel ridiculously cheap that anyone could do that. Fans would feel terribly upset rightfully so. That she had not done anything up until this point or change the tide of war. As well most her personal conflicts have already been resolved by non strawhat members. So, there is no incentive for her to continue further with them.
It would feel unrewarded because she did not show signs of importance within the arc like earlier strawhats were throughout the Grand Line. Carrot is already friends with half of the crew why can’t she asks luffy for herself? She does not have to sneak onboard their ship to get notice because that would cheapen the finalization for the last strawhat because she had not conducted anything throughout wano.
What about Vivi sneaking on board huh? There is bit of difference between Carrot vs. Vivi’s situation. Even though Vivi weaker by comparison. Vivi situation has simply been talk about ever since Dressrosa and throughout Reverie arc. Her family being the traitors to the world government could lead to interesting storylines down the road. Vivi is there as for her own protection than again you can have her be there be working under the Revolutionaries.
I am still for Yamato joining the the crew.
Yamato has abandoned momo not just once but twice in the same raid in order serve for Luffy sake. Yamato is a person is very impulsive and impatient character she does not want to babysit Momo. She has said, five times already of leaving this place going out to sea get much stronger than she is now. She has never said anything about wanted to serve under Momo. Throwing the explosives cuffs that bind her to this island and defeating the person who had hinder her progress. It means to us as fans that she has enough motivation set sail with the strawhats to help them further on their journey. Knowing about Luffy hidden goal and ambition could lead to some interesting interaction down the line. The fact that her father called her out always being alone, she had no friends, anyone who shows her compassion wind up dead. It does remind us as fans how the other strawhats were like in their own personal lives. In the raid both Jimbei and Sanji say Luffy he should reserve energy against main threat at hand meaning in future battles Luffy will solely focused on the captain. If he does lose the fight again. His crew members must hold off that person off for the time being until he recovers. When wano arc is over wano practically it is going to be under Luffy’s territory from now on. Which means Luffy allies will protect for him. The enemies there going to face from now on are going to be much stronger than the earlier one. That is how one piece usually goes. So why not take strong fighter who you free from their predicament. This arc also centers around a character who will manage carrying on oden’s will. During the oden’s flashback Roger’s does say there will be someone will surpass them. Ace could not do it because he is dead. Momo still has a mind of child and none of the nine scabbards are interested in going on adventure. So, why not take someone who is an outcast, someone who could continue oden ideals with them and someone who has been close off from rest of the world for 28 years. It also relates to one of Luffy’s other goals of gathering crew that could surpass Shanks one day. There you go
throughout wano.
It would feel unrewarded because she did not show signs of importance within the arc like earlier strawhats were throughout the Grand Line. Carrot is already friends with half of the crew why can’t she asks luffy for herself? She does not have to sneak onboard their ship to get notice because that would cheapen the finalization for the last strawhat because she had not conducted anything throughout wano.
What about Vivi sneaking on board huh? There is bit of difference between Carrot vs. Vivi’s situation. Even though Vivi weaker by comparison. Vivi situation has simply been talk about ever since Dressrosa and throughout Reverie arc. Her family being the traitors to the world government could lead to interesting storylines down the road. Vivi is there as for her own protection than again you can have her be there be working under the Revolutionaries.
I am still for Yamato joining the the crew.
Yamato has abandoned momo not just once but twice in the same raid in order serve for Luffy sake. Yamato is a person is very impulsive and impatient character she does not want to babysit Momo. She has said, five times already of leaving this place going out to sea get much stronger than she is now. She has never said anything about wanted to serve under Momo. Throwing the explosives cuffs that bind her to this island and defeating the person who had hinder her progress. It means to us as fans that she has enough motivation set sail with the strawhats to help them further on their journey. Knowing about Luffy hidden goal and ambition could lead to some interesting interaction down the line. The fact that her father called her out always being alone, she had no friends, anyone who shows her compassion wind up dead. It does remind us as fans how the other strawhats were like in their own personal lives. In the raid both Jimbei and Sanji say Luffy he should reserve energy against main threat at hand meaning in future battles Luffy will solely focused on the captain. If he does lose the fight again. His crew members must hold off that person off for the time being until he recovers. When wano arc is over wano practically it is going to be under Luffy’s territory from now on. Which means Luffy allies will protect for him. The enemies there going to face from now on are going to be much stronger than the earlier one. That is how one piece usually goes. So why not take strong fighter who you free from their predicament. This arc also centers around a character who will manage carrying on oden’s will. During the oden’s flashback Roger’s does say there will be someone will surpass them. Ace could not do it because he is dead. Momo still has a mind of child and none of the nine scabbards are interested in going on adventure. So, why not take someone who is an outcast, someone who could continue oden ideals with them and someone who has been close off from rest of the world for 28 years. It also relates to one of Luffy’s other goals of gathering crew that could surpass Shanks one day. There you go
throughout wano.
Stowaway is not an excuse, it's the most probable option for Carrot joining the crew. This can be said because of how Carrot was reintroduce with the story, how Oda managed the Mink during Oden's flashback, the character arc of Carrot and her characterization. Again, this is not "an excuse", this is what is the most LIKELY to happen. Period.
Secondly, it wouldn't feel cheap as this was prepared throughly by Oda multiple time as a gag and a likely possibility. It would only feel cheap for those who don't read or don't know the story. Remember that we are not talking about Carrot integrating the crew as a member of the strawhat, but as a simple crewmember, a stowaway. Carrot will need something more after that.
Thirdly (and for the LAST time) Carrot's conflict has NOT been resolved yet. You don't get a conflict resolve only because the guy you hate has been beaten, that's cheap writing (and cheap understanding), you get your conflict resolved when you confront your own weaknesses and beat them. For Carrot it has not happened yet.
Fourth, Carrot is not an asker, it's a taker. This can be said because of her characterization. Carrot was not depicted asking she always takes the road she WANTS to take. So if Carrot wants to go on the Sunny, it is very unlikely that she simply ask Luffy. Like all the strawhats, Carrot is a free spirit, she will make her way up there by herself.
The whole point of the stowaway action, is the surprise it will bring. So no, it is not a question of being rewarding, it's a question of stayin in CHARACTER.
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FIFTH.. Vivi sneaking anboard enter in conflict with Vivi's characterization. Vivi is a respectable princess, and she will most likely ask for Luffy to join (or be forced to join them if it needs to happen). Remember, you can't just applie what you want on a character, it has to be in synch with the development and characterization of said Character. That's why:
Franky was forced to join, he would not ask (too proud), and not sneak in
Zoro joined by respect and consequences
Nami was first teaming up
Usopp had to be told that he was part of the crew
etc.
Each character have their own characterization. If you don't take those characterizations and development/character traits into account, you will just theorize a cheap situation.
Secondly, it wouldn't feel cheap as this was prepared throughly by Oda multiple time as a gag and a likely possibility. It would only feel cheap for those who don't read or don't know the story. Remember that we are not talking about Carrot integrating the crew as a member of the strawhat, but as a simple crewmember, a stowaway. Carrot will need something more after that.
Thirdly (and for the LAST time) Carrot's conflict has NOT been resolved yet. You don't get a conflict resolve only because the guy you hate has been beaten, that's cheap writing (and cheap understanding), you get your conflict resolved when you confront your own weaknesses and beat them. For Carrot it has not happened yet.
Fourth, Carrot is not an asker, it's a taker. This can be said because of her characterization. Carrot was not depicted asking she always takes the road she WANTS to take. So if Carrot wants to go on the Sunny, it is very unlikely that she simply ask Luffy. Like all the strawhats, Carrot is a free spirit, she will make her way up there by herself.
The whole point of the stowaway action, is the surprise it will bring. So no, it is not a question of being rewarding, it's a question of stayin in CHARACTER.
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FIFTH.. Vivi sneaking anboard enter in conflict with Vivi's characterization. Vivi is a respectable princess, and she will most likely ask for Luffy to join (or be forced to join them if it needs to happen). Remember, you can't just applie what you want on a character, it has to be in synch with the development and characterization of said Character. That's why:
Franky was forced to join, he would not ask (too proud), and not sneak in
Zoro joined by respect and consequences
Nami was first teaming up
Usopp had to be told that he was part of the crew
etc.
Each character have their own characterization. If you don't take those characterizations and development/character traits into account, you will just theorize a cheap situation.
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