General & Others Why does Luffy deserve to be captain?

[Ravagerblade]

Not even close to Zoro's strength, it's painfully obvious, to everyone who doesnt have Zoro nightmares...

Not even. But that blind sheepism towards Zoro being the strongest doesn't hold as much weight as you think it does.

 

[Red Admiral]

In the databooks, it has been said that zoro is nearly as strong as Luffy. Some fans even claim that he is stronger. But then, why does Luffy deserve to be captain of the straw hat pirates?

It can't merely be because Luffy saved zoro's life all those years ago. If helmeppo or someone else saved zoro, would zoro have followed him? Would zoro have followed any bum-ass who untied him? Obviously not, obviously Luffy is special. So what is so special about Luffy?
Well, Luffy himself answered this in chapter 90 of the manga, which is aptly titled "what can you do". In it, Luffy admits he can't use a sword, cook, navigate, or tell lies. Arlong mocks Luffy asks him what Luffy can do. Luffy responds with telling Arlong that he can beat him.

I think the special thing about Luffy is something that is highlighted in almost all of his fights. That is his resilience to defeat. Whereas Zoro is comparable in strength to Luffy, resilience to defeat is an attribute that has NEVER been attributed to him. Think about it, an integral part of Zoro's character is basically the opposite, zoro is averse to defeat. He isn't afraid of defeat don't get me wrong, but he would rather die before failing and this ideology allows him to undertake immense amounts of pain that even Luffy can't handle. The most famous examples of this are thriller bark and wano kuni.

The one time Zoro did flat out fail was against mihawk in east blue, after which he basically attempted suicide by telling Mihawk to slash him across the chest, and subsequently started crying due to shame. Now I don't want zoro fans to misunderstand me, this isn't an attack on zoro, but I think it is important to note: Luffy would never do this.

Luffy doesn't give a shit about defeat. He doesn't care how many times he is defeated or how many time someone makes a fool of him. Luffy is rubber and he will always bounce back. Whereas Zoro's fights focus on Zoro enduring the pain to never lose, Luffy's fights focus on him having the will to fight in the face of failure. This is why Luffy is such a good protagonist, because he isn't zoro, the man who never loses. He loses multiple times, every single arc. And yet he always has the strength to keep on fighting.

This is why Luffy is such a lovable character(to both the fans and to other characters in the story), and why imo Luffy deserves to be captain. In the biggest arcs of the story, the main villains are always far stronger than Luffy. Sometimes Zoro gets a villain stronger than him, but the gap is nowhere as close as Luffy and the main villain. This is the truth behind Luffy's statement to Arlong. Luffy is the only one who can beat these big bad villains(ect. Crocodile, Doffy, Kaido, ect.) because he is the only one with the willpower to keep fighting in the face of crushing defeat.

I do wonder why the man with the greatest CoC of all times should deserve to be the captain of 9 other people?

well done ... very high IQ question

 

[yorosenpai]

Where are panel with Luffy vs Zoro directly clashing in which Luffy punch Zoro like it did to Sanji?
:laughmoji:

 

[nik87]

Not even. But that blind sheepism towards Zoro being the strongest doesn't hold as much weight as you think it does.

Not realizing by now that Zoro is the strongest character in all of One Piece is really interesting.

 

[Adamxero]

The only time did they clash they were potrayed as equal....whatever you like it or not.

I havent seeing a punch like this for Zoro that Luffy did to a so call subordinate:

Show me this kind of potrayed for Luffy vs Zoro I am still waiting :laughmoji:,

I do remeber this though: (all member were KO, but not Zoro):cantseeme:

Using a gag fight and a clash that happened near the start of the series before Luffy flew ahead of Zoro lol.

The only portrayal you need is Zoro fainted against King and Luffy is clashing evenly with Kaido in a prolonged fight.

When Luffy is constantly beating the strongest and Zoro the second strongest there's your portrayal and no amount of headcanon and mental gymnastics will change that.

 

[yorosenpai]

Using a gag fight and a clash that happened near the start of the series before Luffy flew ahead of Zoro lol.

The only portrayal you need is Zoro fainted against King and Luffy is clashing evenly with Kaido in a prolonged fight.

When Luffy is constantly beating the strongest and Zoro the second strongest there's your portrayal and no amount of headcanon and mental gymnastics will change that.

Clown, first that clash Luffy&Zoro used both name move and they clashed equally.....second doesnt matter how many chapter ago that happen cuz it the only direct confrontation for both characters.......
Clown Zoro didnt join in chapter 1000right? he joined and follow luffy in chapter 3 correct? that mean for over 100chapter Zoro didnt join luffy cuz of his strenght but cuz other reason:

Luffy fainted 4 times in Onigashima....is that a reason?
Luffy fainted vs Apoo but hey Zoro had to carry his body
Luffy fainted prior to Zoro in the rootop fight but hey sure that a reason clown to use Zoro taking a nap after winning vs King....

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Where are panel with Luffy vs Zoro directly clashing in which Luffy punch Zoro like it did to Sanji?
:laughmoji:

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

well i can answer your question with what the databook said :

Zoro follows Luffy's orders and doesn't like to show off he remains low key .

also Luffy showings is just in comparison to Zoro being nerfed with a lot of shits

 

[Steven]

lol Zoro join in chapter 3 and this thread is pointing that Zoro is just a subordinate and follow luffy for his strengths, I am stating that is wrong cuz 110 chapters later Oda is portraying Zoro&Luffy as equal in the only time they directly clashed.
That the only proof we have of a direct fight.....what outdated? It is the only confrontation they had clown

Sure,he didnt start to follow him because of his strength,but using Alabasta Version to claim both are currently equal is a nogo

 

[Punk Rotten]

Because there wouldnt even be this amazing crew without Luffy. Period.

 

[yorosenpai]

Sure,he didnt start to follow him because of his strength,but using Alabasta Version to claim both are currently equal is a nogo

chapter 1010:
First Zoro then 1 minute after Luffy unlock both advcoc vs the so call strongest creature in the world.
It is that an enough recent chapter to prove both are portrayed equally in a chapter title conqueror hacky?

That chapter didnt shine Kidd (the so call rival of Luffy) nor Law nor Killer nor Big Mom nor super hakiman shanks or super cook,
the 2 MVP were Zoro&Luffy. Both tap into advcoc in that chapter.

A power that only a few of the strongest had. Yamato advcoc come later so the 2 that show as first this power were Zoro&Luffy.

 

[Steven]

chapter 1010:
First Zoro then 1 minute after Luffy unlock both advcoc vs the so call strongest creature in the world.
It is that an enough recent chapter to prove both are portrayed equally in a chapter title conqueror hacky?

That chapter didnt shine Kidd (the so call rival of Luffy) nor Law nor Killer nor Big Mom nor super hakiman shanks or super cook,
the 2 MVP were Zoro&Luffy. Both tap into advcoc in that chapter.

A power that only a few of the strongest had. Yamato advcoc come later so the 2 that show as first this power were Zoro&Luffy.

One is fighting the WSC,the other fainted after Albert was defeated

Oda clearly puts Luffy on a higher scale,far higher scale

 

[yorosenpai]

One is fighting the WSC,the other fainted after Albert was defeated

Oda clearly puts Luffy on a higher scale,far higher scale

Ignore everything that I said for chapter 1010 clown.
I knew entering a discussion with a clown lead to nothing :laughmoji:

One fainted twice in maybe 10 minutes the other even after hakkay and bagua still conscious. Enma draining Zoro hacky kept for all the raid so exaustion after that many chapters aint bad, look g4 luffy after chapter 1001 in which tap in chapter 1003 was out of commission if not for Zoro&Law keeping this death weight around.....:cantseeme:

 

[Adamxero]

Strength isn't the reason why he is Zoro captain but mutual respect, Zoro is the lone wolf type like Mihawk but still damn great leader like it has been stated many times in the story people wondering why he isn't the cpatian. Zoro simply has no desire for it Luffy is the one whose dream is tied to pirate king which leadership qualities are essential. Not so much for Zoro although capable of it he could definitely achieve his dreams as lone wolf like Mihawk did sure it would probably take more time but he would get there eventually.
What Luffy and Zoro have is a partnership where both are supporting each other for their goals, we have seen Mihawk become the WSS as lone wold but not Roger who had the support of an incredible crew to become the PK, so it's actually Luffy who need Zoro to achieve his dream more than Zoro needs Luffy.

But he's not as good of a leader as Luffy.

Take the Sanji situation Zoro would not have been able to handle that situation.

Being a leader is more than just being able to tell people what to do.

A leader needs to inspire and know when to fight (Like when Luffy told Zoro to stand down with Bellamy). Luffy is an exceptional leader on all counts which is why most people want to follow him.

 

[yorosenpai]

But he's not as good of a leader as Luffy.

Take the Sanji situation Zoro would not have been able to handle that situation.

Being a leader is more than just being able to tell people what to do.

A leader needs to inspire and know when to fight (Like when Luffy told Zoro to stand down with Bellamy). Luffy is an exceptional leader on all counts which is why most people want to follow him.

take the usopp situation, Luffy initial reaction was not of a captain.....the only one that reacted as a captain was Zoro but sure, Zoro is not a good leader (he doesnt want) but he has all qualities to be one that can even surpass Luffy in occasion.

Zoro was perfectly right to what he said in Zou, it was a bad move from Luffy to go to whole cake island.
Sanji had to solve his mess on his own with the german shit.

In fact Luffy was a major cause to make the raid that much harder than what it could be if there was only Kaido.....

Zoro was just 100% right, Kaido was the main goal, and luffy mess up also with an other Yonko.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Because he’s the strongest
Because he’s the most charismatic
Because he has the strongest will

 

[Adamxero]

Clown, first that clash Luffy&Zoro used both name move and they clashed equally.....second doesnt matter how many chapter ago that happen cuz it the only direct confrontation for both characters.......
Clown Zoro didnt join in chapter 1000right? he joined and follow luffy in chapter 3 correct? that mean for over 100chapter Zoro didnt join luffy cuz of his strenght but cuz other reason:

Luffy fainted 4 times in Onigashima....is that a reason?
Luffy fainted vs Apoo but hey Zoro had to carry his body
Luffy fainted prior to Zoro in the rootop fight but hey sure that a reason clown to use Zoro taking a nap after winning vs King....

If the standard is to use any fight no matter context or time it was to manipulate your agenda why not say Franky is equal to Luffy because in their one and only fight Franky matched Luffy hell he even got the better of him.

We don't do that because we know characters grow. Luffy far exceeded Franky similar to how Luffy has exceeded Zoro from when they had that first fight.

You're the clown saying he's just taking a nap if that's not coping on a grand scale I don't know what is. He Fainted. Simple as that.

At least Luffy fainted off Kaido and not a 60% King who gets low diff'd off Kaido



Keep coping. Luffy vs Kaido and Zoro vs King should tell you everything about how Oda view Luffy and Zoro in strength when it comes to 1 v 1

 

[Mezo]

Mihawk already answered this question:

This is the only answer.

 

[park_min young]

Lots of Luffy vs Zoro threads recently. Zorowankers starting to get desperate so that Zoro’s feats remain relevant throughout the rest of the arc lol. Luffy will completely outshine Zoro and the rest of the strawhats once again, it was inevitable.

Zoro will never be equal to Luffy combat-wise because Luffy is the greatest conqueror and fighting genius. Luffy does get a lot of help, and you can say that Kaido knocked him out dozens of times already. You know the difference? Luffy’s limit and growth rate is higher than Zoro’s. Switch current Zoro up there with Luffy, and he can never beat the same exhausted Kaido. Knock out Zoro thrice in an arc, and he won’t come back as strong as an emperor. The difference is Luffy fights the opponents far out of everyone’s reach including himself, but he quickly closes the gap at a rate unlike any other. Zoro can’t will himself to grow as strong as Kaido that quickly and Oda even had to give him enma to serve as catalyst for aCoC. Luffy takes a quick glance, and he can use aCoC without drawbacks. Luffy can use future sight in a matter of hours upon observation. Luffy is a fighting genius amongst fighting geniuses, and that was apparent even in pre-ts.

It’s a shounen of the greatest wills, and Luffy is unmatched even amongst someone like Zoro who has one of the best ambitions.

 

[Adamxero]

take the usopp situation, Luffy initial reaction was not of a captain.....the only one that reacted as a captain was Zoro but sure, Zoro is not a good leader (he doesnt want) but he has all qualities to be one that can even surpass Luffy in occasion.

Zoro was perfectly right to what he said in Zou, it was a bad move from Luffy to go to whole cake island.
Sanji had to solve his mess on his own with the german shit.

In fact Luffy was a major cause to make the raid that much harder than what it could be if there was only Kaido.....

Zoro was just 100% right, Kaido was the main goal, and luffy mess up also with an other Yonko.

True the Ussop situation was a growing moment for Luffy but had Zoro been the actual captain he'd have had to make a decision also rather than stand at the side watching the conflict. Luffy in the end was the one who had to shoulder it Zoro was great support though.

Zoro was not right though. If they left Sanji then Queen wouldn't have been defeated. Situations where Sanji saved Momo or Nami and Robin from Drake and Hawkins. A good leader doesn't cast off people under him and ultimately Luffy's decision as a leader paid off as if Zoro had been leader it wouldn't have paid off as Sanji proved pivotal at certain moments.