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Exactly! There would be no point of Carrot fighting against big mom pirates. If someone who mocked for her foolish ideals has already been defeat by a non strawhat member.
Carrot does not feel ashamed or hurt by the result.
This is not like ussop when he felt ashamed losing the money against the Franky family or he felt like he could not do anything against jabbra.
This is not like when zoro Lost to mihawk he would make vow to Luffy that never lose to him again
This is not Nami character growth wanting to be useful during alabasta arc to help Vivi. As well dishearten and feeling betrayed that Arlong just use her.
This is not Chopper wear he felt shameful for not protecting the sunny or going all out in enies lobby.
This is not when sanji had his heartbroken by pudding during whole cake island.
This is not jimbei when he failed in protecting Ace
Robin Constantly being beating up by Spadam and the buster call. As well Robin not believing the crew will protect her.
Franky losing Tom, almost lost the Franky family and finally almost lost iceberg.
When Luffy lost Ace
That would be redundant
Carrot does not feel ashamed or hurt by the result.
This is not like ussop when he felt ashamed losing the money against the Franky family or he felt like he could not do anything against jabbra.
This is not like when zoro Lost to mihawk he would make vow to Luffy that never lose to him again
This is not Nami character growth wanting to be useful during alabasta arc to help Vivi. As well dishearten and feeling betrayed that Arlong just use her.
This is not Chopper wear he felt shameful for not protecting the sunny or going all out in enies lobby.
This is not when sanji had his heartbroken by pudding during whole cake island.
This is not jimbei when he failed in protecting Ace
Robin Constantly being beating up by Spadam and the buster call. As well Robin not believing the crew will protect her.
Franky losing Tom, almost lost the Franky family and finally almost lost iceberg.
When Luffy lost Ace
That would be redundant
What was the point the Cat viper defeating perospero then? He avenge pedro death for her. He didn't sacrifice himself. Wanda didn't die. Her situation has already been resolved by non strawhat member. There no point for her get revenge if it was already fulfill by other character.
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About the next nakama. I believe that 2 of them will join at the end of Wano, and the last one at almost at the end of One Piece (Vivi)
They will be Yamato and Carrot (I'm sure about them with the 90%)
About the roles on the ship:
Yamato will be the journalist, and will write about the adventure she's having with the strawhat, just like Oden did, and will discover the world outside
Carrot will be the lookout, we have already seen her being in that position on the ship ( the same happened with Jimbei being the helsman during the WCI). And I don't know if it could helpful, but she's an artist too
Plus, we have just two female strawhat, in this way it would become like this:
Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, Luffy
Brook, Jimbei, Chopper, Chopper
Yamato, Carrot, Nami, Robin
it would be balanced
Furthermore, we don't have female "monsters" or "different creature from humans" .While instead we have a male reindeer, and a male fishman
The strawhat are also rappresented by an animal of the chinese zodiac, so it could confirm the theory of the 13 strawhats
Carrot would surely be the rabbit
Yamato the dog
Other possibilities:
I am still uncertain about the dream of Otama, since she wanted to join Ace's crew, but she's still too young. But I believe there's a small possibility of her joining the crew too. And that' s the issue of Caribou, that asked Luffy to salp with him, after the end of the arc.
Then I wish a giant in Elbaf could join (Hajrjudin could fit since his dream it's to become the king of giants)
Kin'emon I see him having good chances too (he uses 2 swords, so Zoro 3, and Brook 1)
His devil fruit is fukufuku, and it would complete the pattern of the number, with 2 and 9.
He's the stylist, so he could provide every strawhat a costume to wear during each saga
Bellamy... he has not joined the alliance, and I believe there's a very small chance they could meet him again. Plus, luffy called him "friend" when Doffy hitted him. Luffy call friend just his crewmembers
About the next nakama. I believe that 2 of them will join at the end of Wano, and the last one at almost at the end of One Piece (Vivi)
They will be Yamato and Carrot (I'm sure about them with the 90%)
About the roles on the ship:
Yamato will be the journalist, and will write about the adventure she's having with the strawhat, just like Oden did, and will discover the world outside
Carrot will be the lookout, we have already seen her being in that position on the ship ( the same happened with Jimbei being the helsman during the WCI). And I don't know if it could helpful, but she's an artist too
Plus, we have just two female strawhat, in this way it would become like this:
Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, Luffy
Brook, Jimbei, Chopper, Chopper
Yamato, Carrot, Nami, Robin
it would be balanced
Furthermore, we don't have female "monsters" or "different creature from humans" .While instead we have a male reindeer, and a male fishman
The strawhat are also rappresented by an animal of the chinese zodiac, so it could confirm the theory of the 13 strawhats
Carrot would surely be the rabbit
Yamato the dog
Other possibilities:
I am still uncertain about the dream of Otama, since she wanted to join Ace's crew, but she's still too young. But I believe there's a small possibility of her joining the crew too. And that' s the issue of Caribou, that asked Luffy to salp with him, after the end of the arc.
Then I wish a giant in Elbaf could join (Hajrjudin could fit since his dream it's to become the king of giants)
Kin'emon I see him having good chances too (he uses 2 swords, so Zoro 3, and Brook 1)
His devil fruit is fukufuku, and it would complete the pattern of the number, with 2 and 9.
He's the stylist, so he could provide every strawhat a costume to wear during each saga
Bellamy... he has not joined the alliance, and I believe there's a very small chance they could meet him again. Plus, luffy called him "friend" when Doffy hitted him. Luffy call friend just his crewmembers
Very good point, I will counter the point about Carrot's mood. The current issue is that the manga didn't focus enough on her thoughts after the fight to properly gauge her feelings. It was a single panel of her being happy that Nekomamushi won the fight, to which he responded with how she can still turn Sulong. While I agree that the plot point with Pedro's is probably satisfied, I will present that before Pedro's vengeance got fulfilled Perospero planted another seed in Carrot that still lingers now.
I've always been caught up in Perospero's words here during chapter 1006...
The line to focus on here is "If you didn't want to see your friend die, then you should've stayed in the forest and nibbled at your grass, Rabbit! That's where you belong."
I feel that this line will come back to haunt Carrot in some way if the Straw Hats get put in danger. To prove at that moment that she doesn't belong to nibble on the grass in the forest, that she doesn't have to watch friends die. While the whole Pedro thing is pretty much done, the BMI pirates still have that connection with Perospero and history with the Straw Hats and Carrot. There's a potential here for them to be another personal conflict for Carrot. Especially if Perospero manages to regroup with his crew and plays the shit talker role.
Some might bring up that the line is about Pedro, but I would say that the line is vague enough here to come back at the perfect dramatic moment. I'm using the BMI pirates as they would make the most sense, but it's the kind of line that can be perfectly used just about anywhere.
Some might also bring up how this didn't come up during Nekomamushi's fight in 1026. The issue here is that Oda decided to put the endings of the duke fights in the history-defining chapter of 1026 where Luffy splits the skies for the first time. Not exactly the best time to focus on Carrot's inner turmoil during this scene. Considering this is a big moment for Luffy the same thing would happen to just about anyone.
Also, during this scene in 1026, it wasn't like Perospero was seconds away from bringing the ax down on Nekomamushi's neck. He was standing there gloating before getting interrupted by the moon coming back out and getting defeated. To have Perosperos words from 1006 come back there needs to be the true threat of death.
I've always been caught up in Perospero's words here during chapter 1006...
The line to focus on here is "If you didn't want to see your friend die, then you should've stayed in the forest and nibbled at your grass, Rabbit! That's where you belong."
I feel that this line will come back to haunt Carrot in some way if the Straw Hats get put in danger. To prove at that moment that she doesn't belong to nibble on the grass in the forest, that she doesn't have to watch friends die. While the whole Pedro thing is pretty much done, the BMI pirates still have that connection with Perospero and history with the Straw Hats and Carrot. There's a potential here for them to be another personal conflict for Carrot. Especially if Perospero manages to regroup with his crew and plays the shit talker role.
Some might bring up that the line is about Pedro, but I would say that the line is vague enough here to come back at the perfect dramatic moment. I'm using the BMI pirates as they would make the most sense, but it's the kind of line that can be perfectly used just about anywhere.
Some might also bring up how this didn't come up during Nekomamushi's fight in 1026. The issue here is that Oda decided to put the endings of the duke fights in the history-defining chapter of 1026 where Luffy splits the skies for the first time. Not exactly the best time to focus on Carrot's inner turmoil during this scene. Considering this is a big moment for Luffy the same thing would happen to just about anyone.
Also, during this scene in 1026, it wasn't like Perospero was seconds away from bringing the ax down on Nekomamushi's neck. He was standing there gloating before getting interrupted by the moon coming back out and getting defeated. To have Perosperos words from 1006 come back there needs to be the true threat of death.
Very good point, I will counter the point about Carrot's mood. The current issue is that the manga didn't focus enough on her thoughts after the fight to properly gauge her feelings. It was a single panel of her being happy that Nekomamushi won the fight, to which he responded with how she can still turn Sulong. While I agree that the plot point with Pedro's is probably satisfied, I will present that before Pedro's vengeance got fulfilled Perospero planted another seed in Carrot that still lingers now.
I've always been caught up in Perospero's words here during chapter 1006...
The line to focus on here is "If you didn't want to see your friend die, then you should've stayed in the forest and nibbled at your grass, Rabbit! That's where you belong."
I feel that this line will come back to haunt Carrot in some way if the Straw Hats get put in danger. To prove at that moment that she doesn't belong to nibble on the grass in the forest, that she doesn't have to watch friends die. While the whole Pedro thing is pretty much done, the BMI pirates still have that connection with Perospero and history with the Straw Hats and Carrot. There's a potential here for them to be another personal conflict for Carrot. Especially if Perospero manages to regroup with his crew and plays the shit talker role.
Some might bring up that the line is about Pedro, but I would say that the line is vague enough here to come back at the perfect dramatic moment. I'm using the BMI pirates as they would make the most sense, but it's the kind of line that can be perfectly used just about anywhere.
Some might also bring up how this didn't come up during Nekomamushi's fight in 1026. The issue here is that Oda decided to put the endings of the duke fights in the history-defining chapter of 1026 where Luffy splits the skies for the first time. Not exactly the best time to focus on Carrot's inner turmoil during this scene. Considering this is a big moment for Luffy the same thing would happen to just about anyone.
Also, during this scene in 1026, it wasn't like Perospero was seconds away from bringing the ax down on Nekomamushi's neck. He was standing there gloating before getting interrupted by the moon coming back out and getting defeated. To have Perosperos words from 1006 come back there needs to be the true threat of death.
I've always been caught up in Perospero's words here during chapter 1006...
The line to focus on here is "If you didn't want to see your friend die, then you should've stayed in the forest and nibbled at your grass, Rabbit! That's where you belong."
I feel that this line will come back to haunt Carrot in some way if the Straw Hats get put in danger. To prove at that moment that she doesn't belong to nibble on the grass in the forest, that she doesn't have to watch friends die. While the whole Pedro thing is pretty much done, the BMI pirates still have that connection with Perospero and history with the Straw Hats and Carrot. There's a potential here for them to be another personal conflict for Carrot. Especially if Perospero manages to regroup with his crew and plays the shit talker role.
Some might bring up that the line is about Pedro, but I would say that the line is vague enough here to come back at the perfect dramatic moment. I'm using the BMI pirates as they would make the most sense, but it's the kind of line that can be perfectly used just about anywhere.
Some might also bring up how this didn't come up during Nekomamushi's fight in 1026. The issue here is that Oda decided to put the endings of the duke fights in the history-defining chapter of 1026 where Luffy splits the skies for the first time. Not exactly the best time to focus on Carrot's inner turmoil during this scene. Considering this is a big moment for Luffy the same thing would happen to just about anyone.
Also, during this scene in 1026, it wasn't like Perospero was seconds away from bringing the ax down on Nekomamushi's neck. He was standing there gloating before getting interrupted by the moon coming back out and getting defeated. To have Perosperos words from 1006 come back there needs to be the true threat of death.
Because she was dead set on Perospero being the cause, it's pretty clear she's not blaming her lack of strength to protect her friends. It's more to do with her not understanding or accepting his sacrifice and using Perospero as the scapegoat. The message Pedro was getting across was that she should move on from his death and prepare for when her moment truly comes. She then tried to force a revenge plot that was fueled by his death (not moving on) and happened on sight (unprepared for). Narratively, she had to lose this fight but Perospero had to lose for her to properly move on. That's why Neko was there to clean it up.
It makes more sense now that she has to train herself and prepare for when her moment truly comes since this revenge plot obviously wasn't it. Rushing to prove herself yet again is the opposite of where her character should go. Also, that sulong point is faulty. They all can still go sulong. There's just the risk of death because of how much it exhausts their bodies.
I think there's another way Peros' words can be interperated. Although often a villain's taunts are proven wrong, sometimes they are painfully accurate, causing a crisis for the hero that leads to character growth. The hero then has to change something about themself before they can prove themself. That could easily be what is happening here.
Carrot has had a very carefree attitude, thinking she can handle whatever happens without preparing. This ultimately lead to her extremely embarrasing defeat by perospero. Was he right that she's not ready for the new world? Honestly, yes I think so. She rushed into a fight with an opponent clearly way out of her league and got her ass kicked. She has a lot to learn, and she needs to get stronger.
I think an outcome where she decides to go back to zou to train in order to be strong enough to help when the time comes to bring the dawn (the final war) would be a perfectly reasonable conclusion to her character arc. Then when the minks show up to fight the world government she will have her moment to shine.
There's nothing stating she still wants to go on adventures. In fact she only packed food for a day when she left because she thought she would be home the next morning. Returning to Zou to train, similar to what the strawhats did before entering the new world, contradicts nothing about her character, resolves her arc and perospero's words without requiring a hypothetical giant villain that's personal to Carrot or some other wishfull thinking, and explains why she would be left on the sidelines for so long (she was meant to seem useless to justify character growth).
Imo this makes much more sense than Carrot getting another Wano fight when Neko just told her not to go su long, having elbaf be a Carrot centric arc when it should be an Ussop centric arc, and leaving the newest strawhat completely benched for the longest arc in the series just for the surprise factor.
Carrot has had a very carefree attitude, thinking she can handle whatever happens without preparing. This ultimately lead to her extremely embarrasing defeat by perospero. Was he right that she's not ready for the new world? Honestly, yes I think so. She rushed into a fight with an opponent clearly way out of her league and got her ass kicked. She has a lot to learn, and she needs to get stronger.
I think an outcome where she decides to go back to zou to train in order to be strong enough to help when the time comes to bring the dawn (the final war) would be a perfectly reasonable conclusion to her character arc. Then when the minks show up to fight the world government she will have her moment to shine.
There's nothing stating she still wants to go on adventures. In fact she only packed food for a day when she left because she thought she would be home the next morning. Returning to Zou to train, similar to what the strawhats did before entering the new world, contradicts nothing about her character, resolves her arc and perospero's words without requiring a hypothetical giant villain that's personal to Carrot or some other wishfull thinking, and explains why she would be left on the sidelines for so long (she was meant to seem useless to justify character growth).
Imo this makes much more sense than Carrot getting another Wano fight when Neko just told her not to go su long, having elbaf be a Carrot centric arc when it should be an Ussop centric arc, and leaving the newest strawhat completely benched for the longest arc in the series just for the surprise factor.
Great analysis, I vibe with it for the most part... 
I respect that viewpoint, it's a great way to look at her character with a realistic potential reason for her to go back to Zou.
I still want her to join as I like her potential to have amazing moments with the narrative and other crew members. But if it's not meant to be then I would still be pretty satisfied if what you're saying does indeed happen as it is a proper send-off to her character.
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This is the only point that I'm really against as this was before she realized the true size of the world. As well as the fact that this was way before any of the events before WCI and Wano, a lot of bonding happened between her and the Straw Hats since that point. Add in the death of her mentor and I would say it's not that farfetched to think she could've changed her mind since she first joined. The only thing left is for her to say it, which probably won't happen until the end of Wano during the after-party.
If there is one...
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I respect that viewpoint, it's a great way to look at her character with a realistic potential reason for her to go back to Zou.
I still want her to join as I like her potential to have amazing moments with the narrative and other crew members. But if it's not meant to be then I would still be pretty satisfied if what you're saying does indeed happen as it is a proper send-off to her character.
:cheers:
This is the only point that I'm really against as this was before she realized the true size of the world. As well as the fact that this was way before any of the events before WCI and Wano, a lot of bonding happened between her and the Straw Hats since that point. Add in the death of her mentor and I would say it's not that farfetched to think she could've changed her mind since she first joined. The only thing left is for her to say it, which probably won't happen until the end of Wano during the after-party.
If there is one...
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Great analysis, I vibe with it for the most part...
I respect that viewpoint, it's a great way to look at her character with a realistic potential reason for her to go back to Zou.
I still want her to join as I like her potential to have amazing moments with the narrative and other crew members. But if it's not meant to be then I would still be pretty satisfied if what you're saying does indeed happen as it is a proper send-off to her character.
:cheers:
This is the only point that I'm really against as this was before she realized the true size of the world. As well as the fact that this was way before any of the events before WCI and Wano, a lot of bonding happened between her and the Straw Hats since that point. Add in the death of her mentor and I would say it's not that farfetched to think she could've changed her mind since she first joined. The only thing left is for her to say it, which probably won't happen until the end of Wano during the after-party.
If there is one...
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I respect that viewpoint, it's a great way to look at her character with a realistic potential reason for her to go back to Zou.
I still want her to join as I like her potential to have amazing moments with the narrative and other crew members. But if it's not meant to be then I would still be pretty satisfied if what you're saying does indeed happen as it is a proper send-off to her character.
:cheers:
This is the only point that I'm really against as this was before she realized the true size of the world. As well as the fact that this was way before any of the events before WCI and Wano, a lot of bonding happened between her and the Straw Hats since that point. Add in the death of her mentor and I would say it's not that farfetched to think she could've changed her mind since she first joined. The only thing left is for her to say it, which probably won't happen until the end of Wano during the after-party.
If there is one...
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