General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Gilgamesh]

Carrot did more than just point out the fleet during WCI. You're reading too much into Nami's explanation of what the Big Mom pirates did.

Beginning of Wano the Sunny was seconds from sinking which meant that they wanted to stay together so they all climbed on Sanji. btw he didn't jump over to the mainland himself, he used Luffy's belly to bounce over there because of the extra weight. It's not a scene to think too hard about anyway.

I already talked about the Usopp part before, it was a moment showcasing his sniping by quietly taking out enemies from a distance. Literally everyone noticed those drunks out in the open as they drifted towards the entrance to Onigashima.

The main point is that there are opportunities presented for Carrot to show off how and why she would be useful for the crew, but Oda keeps having the main crew just do what Carrot fans say are her main selling points as a lookout. Oda could have had Carrot jump in tandem with Sanji, but he had Sanji carry her. Oda could have had Carrot be the one to point out the guards, but he had Usopp go out of his way to point them out. It's not a good omen for her prospects of joining.

And again, Zeus is not a smart individual. He's easily and constantly tricked and has his best uses dealing damage for Nami. Literally, the only thing going for him is that he can maybe fly as high as Carrot can jump in his current state.

He doesn't need to be smart to be able to say "objects ahead." There's little Carrot could do more than what Zeus can do.

 

[jordin]

If we're talking pure eyesight here then the only one that would beat out Carrot is Usopp, and that's because he's the sniper. It's when you factor in the physical ability to jump multiple times higher than Usopp can even try that she wins out. The height she can reach lets her see farther as she can look over obstacles in a much wider area than one closer to the ground.

If you want to argue purely on physical ability since eyesight is whatever, Sanji and Luffy are able to fly. Zoro also now has Clear Lance and he can use that in midair.

This scene is a perfect example, they have two CoO members with Usopp and Zoro but Carrot was the one to point them in the right direction. Not to mention that CoO can only sense the auras of things right? It's good to detect danger that's close but you need that visual information as well. Both with people and the environment around you.

Usopp at the very least would've been able to see Luffy given what he did in Dressrosa, but Oda wanted to showcase the minks. Also, observation is not limited to a close space. Usopp used his barely awakened haki to see from thousands of feet away.

Observation Haki/Future SIght is not the perfect replacement for eyesight. It's good for a lot of situations but not when you need a scope of a massive area in all directions.

When have the SHs needed to scope a massive area in all directions? They're in their biggest battle right now and that need hasn't come up once. WCI either.

By the way, Pedro was a confirmed observation haki user and Carrot was the one to take over his post as Lookout while they were on the Sunny.

I don't see the point here. He just gave it to her since she wanted something to do. Chopper came up there too and he was doing as well as she was.

 

[Pot Goblin]

The main point is that there are opportunities presented for Carrot to show off how and why she would be useful for the crew, but Oda keeps having the main crew just do what Carrot fans say are her main selling points as a lookout. Oda could have had Carrot jump in tandem with Sanji, but he had Sanji carry her. Oda could have had Carrot be the one to point out the guards, but he had Usopp go out of his way to point them out. It's not a good omen for her prospects of joining.



He doesn't need to be smart to be able to say "objects ahead." There's little Carrot could do more than what Zeus can do.

Keep in mind that the moment you mentioned in Wano is very close to the events of WCI, it's not a scene meant to show off anything nor is it an opportunity for anything. It's just there to show an explanation of what happened to Luffy at the beginning of Wano. And it's not going out of his way to have Usopp glance over at drunk guards out in the open while they're surrounded by Allies. If it was a hidden enemy that only Usopp noticed then you would have a point. All it would do for Carrot was that it would give her one additional panel amount the various examples of her being a lookout.

And there is more to being a lookout than just saying "objects ahead," Zeus being a lookout was never implied to be a thing nor will it ever be a thing.

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If you want to argue purely on physical ability since eyesight is whatever, Sanji and Luffy are able to fly. Zoro also now has Clear Lance and he can use that in midair..

We all know that Luffy would get lost or worse anytime he would try to do what Carrot did. Chapter 8 shows what would happen if he tried to do what Carrot does. It'd be like how he could try to do other roles on the ship, but would do a shit job at it.

Zoro's move is more of an air recovery move rather than one used for recon. And even if you disregard his utter lack of sense of direction, there's the Clear Lance move that can be a problem. It might be ok to use on land, but use it on the ship and you risk damaging it. Not too mention it's a lot of effort to try to replicate something Carrot can do easily.

As I said before, Sanji is the only other member to have the same aerial capabilities as Carrot, but then it comes down to superior eyesight again. Not to mention that a drawback of CoO is that you need to focus to use it, so while Sanji can fly high in the air as Carrot can he focus both on using CoO and using his kicks to keep him in the air at the same time? Unless there's a panel of Sanji using CoO while using Skywalk then that's not something we can say for sure.

Usopp at the very least would've been able to see Luffy given what he did in Dressrosa, but Oda wanted to showcase the minks. Also, observation is not limited to a close space. Usopp used his barely awakened haki to see from thousands of feet away.

The problem with Usopp is that since he gets frazzled easily, unless it's a calm moment or a sniping moment his CoO is not reliable. Not to mention that it's been years since he's visibly used CoO onscreen so that also makes the reliability of his haki dubious at best. If you can't concentrate you can't use CoO.

When have the SHs needed to scope a massive area in all directions? They're in their biggest battle right now and that need hasn't come up once. WCI either.

How can Carrot be a lookout for the Straw Hats if they all split off in their own direction? In the raid it's been a free for all brawl since the very beginning, where would gathering info come into play here? Especially since Onigashima has that Merry system that declares what is happening on the island to everyone instantly. Even when they were on the mainland half the Straw Hats already performed recon by the time the WCI crew got there.

It would make more sense if she was absent while an Alabasta bomb-type situation was happening where everyone on the crew was trying to find something, but it's just been running and fighting for the entire raid.

I don't see the point here. He just gave it to her since she wanted something to do. Chopper came up there too and he was doing as well as she was.

Just to show you don't need to have haki to be trusted in the lookout role and to do a good job at it.

 

[Kurodiamondo]

The best criteria for lookout is like coby doing his job. He can use observation haki to detect underwater torpedo then neutralize it when escorting dressrosa family. This prove that it takes more than fancy devil fruit (viola's) to be lookout. Lookout needs haki, preparedness, guarding stance, (can swim is additional 👀)

Lookout do looking out for the threat. Pedro detain pudding the moment she say that she is BM's daughter. He has that personality to be the lookout and he has role as a guardian

Pedro epithet is tree top pedro. Irl jaguar sometime stay on the tree. But do you know that jaguar is cat that can swim and dive to hunt their prey 👀

Lookout position is reserved for Jaguardian pedro

 

[jordin]

We all know that Luffy would get lost or worse anytime he would try to do what Carrot did. Chapter 8 shows what would happen if he tried to do what Carrot does. It'd be like how he could try to do other roles on the ship, but would do a shit job at it.

Don't see how this gag negates that Luffy can fly and scout the area as Carrot could but he can fly.

Zoro's move is more of an air recovery move rather than one used for recon. And even if you disregard his utter lack of sense of direction, there's the Clear Lance move that can be a problem. It might be ok to use on land, but use it on the ship and you risk damaging it. Not too mention it's a lot of effort to try to replicate something Carrot can do easily.

I don't get how he couldn't use it for recon. Our discussion is assuming there's a need for someone to go that high and Zoro can do that. There's no need to have nitpicks like swords damaging something or it somehow requiring high effort when Zoro did it casually.

As I said before, Sanji is the only other member to have the same aerial capabilities as Carrot, but then it comes down to superior eyesight again. Not to mention that a drawback of CoO is that you need to focus to use it, so while Sanji can fly high in the air as Carrot can he focus both on using CoO and using his kicks to keep him in the air at the same time? Unless there's a panel of Sanji using CoO while using Skywalk then that's not something we can say for sure.

??? I understand you're trying to hype up Carrot but you should know this is a stretch.

How can Carrot be a lookout for the Straw Hats if they all split off in their own direction?

So the SHs doing what they do at every island or battle they're in.

Just to show you don't need to have haki to be trusted in the lookout role and to do a good job at it.

And also anyone can casually pick it up and give a similar performance on the crow's nest. The SHs even have a routine set for who to be there at a time.

 

[Pot Goblin]

The best criteria for lookout is like coby doing his job. He can use observation haki to detect underwater torpedo then neutralize it when escorting dressrosa family. This prove that it takes more than fancy devil fruit (viola's) to be lookout. Lookout needs haki, preparedness, guarding stance, (can swim is additional 👀)

Lookout do looking out for the threat. Pedro detain pudding the moment she say that she is BM's daughter. He has that personality to be the lookout and he has role as a guardian

Pedro epithet is tree top pedro. Irl jaguar sometime stay on the tree. But do you know that jaguar is cat that can swim and dive to hunt their prey 👀

Lookout position is reserved for Jaguardian pedro

Makes sense considering Pedro is Carrot's mentor.

Chapter 816 we even see Pedro doing the jumping thing that Carrot does and act as a lookout.

So you have the guy that is good at being a lookout mentoring someone who's being debated as being the lookout for the Straw Hats. interesting...

:zorothink:

 

[Kurodiamondo]

Makes sense considering Pedro is Carrot's mentor.

Chapter 816 we even see Pedro doing the jumping thing that Carrot does and act as a lookout.

So you have the guy that is good at being a lookout mentoring someone who's being debated as being the lookout for the Straw Hats. interesting...

:zorothink:

Pedro only mentor her to fight.
Carrot still does not has observation haki nor guardian role. We need someone who is always ready and prepared

 

[Gilgamesh]

Keep in mind that the moment you mentioned in Wano is very close to the events of WCI, it's not a scene meant to show off anything nor is it an opportunity for anything. It's just there to show an explanation of what happened to Luffy at the beginning of Wano. And it's not going out of his way to have Usopp glance over at drunk guards out in the open while they're surrounded by Allies. If it was a hidden enemy that only Usopp noticed then you would have a point. All it would do for Carrot was that it would give her one additional panel amount the various examples of her being a lookout.

It's an opportunity to show that when the whole crew is together she can still be useful and to specifically show that there are circumstances where Carrot herself can go above and beyond what anyone else already in the crew can do. Since Usopp did her job for her, while also taking out the threat at the same time, why do they need her? Everyone on the crew can see, and Oda has already said that the lookout job requires two people at all times. So the question is, what does Carrot bring to the crew that specifically puts her above and beyond everyone else, especially when she would just be part of the two-person rotation anyway? We already have Luffy, Sanji, and Brook who can jump as well as she can, Robin could just sprout limbs and eyes to see in every direction all at once, and now we have Zeus who can fly around at all times and report what he sees to Nami since they're already partners. There's already instances where Carrot failed to see danger, such as Daifugo's genie which she didn't notice until it was right on top of her. That's not a good look for a would-be lookout.

A big knock against Carrot is that all Straw Hats have been either people whose position is either tied to wanting to be the best at what they do (Zoro being the greatest swordsman, Chopper being able to cure any disease, Franky building a ship that can go around the entire Grand Line) or they are already hyper-competent (Nami's weather reading being beyond any other Navigator, Usopp being able to snipe from miles away and calculating the physics behind his shots in his head while using different ammo types and various arms, Sanji being able to make delicious food out of limited or subpar ingredients, Robin being the only one who can read Poneglyphs, Brook being able to play any instrument, and Jinbe being able to read the currents and course-correct the ship on the fly). Carrot has not been shown to fall into either of these categories.

And there is more to being a lookout than just saying "objects ahead," Zeus being a lookout was never implied to be a thing nor will it ever be a thing.

What else is there to being a lookout beyond being able to see and reporting in? Also, what has Carrot done to be a lookout beyond looking and reporting?

Sure, Zeus being a lookout hasn't been implied, but when he can cover everything Carrot can do as a lookout, then she's just redundant. The best hope for people who want Carrot to join is as an apprentice.

 

[Pot Goblin]

Don't see how this gag negates that Luffy can fly and scout the area as Carrot could but he can fly.

It ties into Luffy's words during Arlong Park, he is not good at doing other crewmember's jobs. So by logic, it would mean if he jumped up in the air to try to be a lookout like Carrot he would fuck it up.

I don't get how he couldn't use it for recon. Our discussion is assuming there's a need for someone to go that high and Zoro can do that. There's no need to have nitpicks like swords damaging something or it somehow requiring high effort when Zoro did it casually.

I admit the effort thing was a bit of a nitpick but I'll still hold on to the damaging thing. Doing a big blast like that on the Sunny would damage it, there would be consequences if he did multiple times back to back. It would mean he can't jump on the ship multiple times as Carrot can.

And again, this is the guy who has no sense of direction, the type that gets lost going in a straight line. It would be like when Nami let him watch the log pose for a bit which put them into trouble. Of all possible jobs Zoro can do trying to point out specific things in a specific direction is not one of them.

So the SHs doing what they do at every island or battle they're in.

I'm not really sure where you're really going with this. As of right now, in this specific situation, the Straw Hats are not trying to do anything that would require the use of a lookout. If there was something that they needed to regroup and find like they had to in Alabasta then that would be the time for Carrot to shine.

And also anyone can casually pick it up and give a similar performance on the crow's nest. The SHs even have a routine set for who to be there at a time.

Just like how anyone can give a good performance at the helm at the Sunny, the Straw Hats lasted through Reverse Mountain, the Grandline, the White Sea, the Deep Sea, and the New World without the use of Jinbe. But it is those critical moments like escaping from Totto land where people like Jinbe and Carrot truly shine in their roles.



Here's the thing, even if you think that Carrot is not the most optimal role for the lookout, it's still the role that's set up for her. One of her first highlight moments was her first jump which impressed the Straw Hats, the job she quickly took to was the lookout role after taking Pedro's place, and multiple times in the climax of WCI she consistently jumps up the ship to update the crew. I understand you don't think she's joining, but in a scenario where she does, she's more than likely going to take up that position as the lookout.

It's an opportunity to show that when the whole crew is together she can still be useful and to specifically show that there are circumstances where Carrot herself can go above and beyond what anyone else already in the crew can do. Since Usopp did her job for her, while also taking out the threat at the same time, why do they need her? Everyone on the crew can see, and Oda has already said that the lookout job requires two people at all times. So the question is, what does Carrot bring to the crew that specifically puts her above and beyond everyone else, especially when she would just be part of the two-person rotation anyway? We already have Luffy, Sanji, and Brook who can jump as well as she can, Robin could just sprout limbs and eyes to see in every direction all at once, and now we have Zeus who can fly around at all times and report what he sees to Nami since they're already partners. There's already instances where Carrot failed to see danger, such as Daifugo's genie which she didn't notice until it was right on top of her. That's not a good look for a would-be lookout.

A big knock against Carrot is that all Straw Hats have been either people whose position is either tied to wanting to be the best at what they do (Zoro being the greatest swordsman, Chopper being able to cure any disease, Franky building a ship that can go around the entire Grand Line) or they are already hyper-competent (Nami's weather reading being beyond any other Navigator, Usopp being able to snipe from miles away and calculating the physics behind his shots in his head while using different ammo types and various arms, Sanji being able to make delicious food out of limited or subpar ingredients, Robin being the only one who can read Poneglyphs, Brook being able to play any instrument, and Jinbe being able to read the currents and course-correct the ship on the fly). Carrot has not been shown to fall into either of these categories.



What else is there to being a lookout beyond being able to see and reporting in? Also, what has Carrot done to be a lookout beyond looking and reporting?

Sure, Zeus being a lookout hasn't been implied, but when he can cover everything Carrot can do as a lookout, then she's just redundant. The best hope for people who want Carrot to join is as an apprentice.

Gilgamesh I'm pretty sure you're just ignoring what I write as well as just repeating yourself so I'm leaving this here. Pretty much all of your points I went over earlier in other conversations. Though I'll add that she beats out Brook's jump and that Robin has been shown to not be enthusiastic enough for the role.

Also, consider the basic fact that Zeus can't even hold binoculars because of his lack of hands. That alone leaves him out for the lookout position because even if Carrot doesn't join literally anyone would be better with than a cloud that has to rely on his natural eyesight.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Shit that was said in Arlong Park is outdated as fuck yo.

 

[SILVERS000]

I like how her name is similar with Robin (birds name) and her design looks like Robin’s unused post-timeskip designs.

I think she's another Tashigi type, female swordsman with the flightless bird name
Either way i love her

 

[Gilgamesh]

Gilgamesh I'm pretty sure you're just ignoring what I write as well as just repeating yourself so I'm leaving this here. Pretty much all of your points I went over earlier in other conversations. Though I'll add that she beats out Brook's jump and that Robin has been shown to not be enthusiastic enough for the role.

I didn't ignore anything, I just didn't read everything that was previous. I would also add that Brook can just send his soul out similar to Zeus.

Also, consider the basic fact that Zeus can't even hold binoculars because of his lack of hands. That alone leaves him out for the lookout position because even if Carrot doesn't join literally anyone would be better with than a cloud that has to rely on his natural eyesight.

He doesn't need binoculars when he can just fly closer, and we don't even know what his eyesight is like in the first place. He's also not in much danger since we've seen that the only one who has done any damage to him is Big Mom, and only Kidd has been able to trap him.

 

[SILVERS000]

"Home":

Her ride waiting to take her home

 

[jordin]

Just like how anyone can give a good performance at the helm at the Sunny, the Straw Hats lasted through Reverse Mountain, the Grandline, the White Sea, the Deep Sea, and the New World without the use of Jinbe. But it is those critical moments like escaping from Totto land where people like Jinbe and Carrot truly shine in their roles.

I'll just focus on this since it's the crux of what my main point is.

Carrot did not get anything comparable to what Jinbe got. Maybe if you argued his helmsman role pre-WCI, but that arc established why that is his unique specialty and no one is even close to him. While multiple SHs can be at his spot, none of them have his vast knowledge of waves and his ability to ride in the Green Room. The same applies to every other member since they're all a top talent at what they do.

You look at Carrot and there's nothing unique that makes her a top talent at being a lookout. When she's on the crow's nest, she gives the same exact performance as Chopper or anyone else there. When she's on an island, her jumping is easily outclassed by the monster trio. Even if I were to agree with your downplay, it says something that there's room for debate when she's suppose to be the clear best at it.

I agree that's legit the only role she has setup for, but its no more concrete than people arguing Yamato as a logkeeper.

 

[SILVERS000]

In Wano yes. in the overall story of One Piece, not so much.

I know im going to regret asking, but what overall plot relevance does Carrot hold in the grand scheme of the story?
What major plot point carries Carrot over in the story over other minks like the Dukes who rule the nation of Zou and have more knowledge on any Mink prophecy that could be relevant?

 

[uyuu]

Can i know what are the qualities of Jimbei besides being so strong? Like a former Shichi is overwhelming powerlevel-wise, but i only remember him being a good character from the scene of him apologizing after destroyed a marine ship at Impel Down escape.

While Yamato is chanting "i am Oden, i am retard like Oden" like theres no tomorrow, why are we getting powerful but character-bland crewmate candidates again...

 

[SILVERS000]

Carrot is a musketeer, just a tier down Pedro who is a guardian. But she is also genius of the Sulong Form and has faced strong ennemies, so trust me when I say, Carrot will soon reach Pedro's level, who, for the record, wasn't extremelly high either. 300m is not that high.

they both hold the standing in Zou they just serve different dukes

Pedro is Neko most trusted Guardian and Sicilian is Inu's, Carrot and Wanda are Musketeers who work between both dukes
there is nothing that says Carrot is anything close to Pedro, and she is not a genius at Sulong it was only stated that she learn to control at a young age, there are still Minks who have better control than her

 

[jordin]

Can i know what are the qualities of Jimbei besides being so strong? Like a former Shichi is overwhelming powerlevel-wise, but i only remember him being a good character from the scene of him apologizing after destroyed a marine ship at Impel Down escape.

While Yamato is chanting "i am Oden, i am retard like Oden" like theres no tomorrow, why are we getting powerful but character-bland crewmate candidates again...

Talk to Oda. He's the one setting up Yamato to join.

 

[Logiko]

The purpose/goal of Yamato: to be free like Oden. She already stated it herself. That’s why she keeps Oden’s journal as her personal bible. Another goal is she wants to get stronger

Yeah.. I do not disagree with that. Yamato has indeed, a purpose, a goal.

Now (just a note) the interesting thing is that in stories (in general) the goal is not always what the character will accomplish. Because of the "need", the goal is sometimes bound to change. I'll take four clear different example of that (in One Piece):

- Rebecca (Dressrosa)
- Momo (Post Onigashima)
- Luffy (Marinefore)
- Nami (Arlong Park)

- Rebecca's purpose in Dressrosa is ultimatly to defeat Doflamingo and therefore taking the Mera Mera no Mi to do that
- Momo post Onigashima's goal is simply to beat Kaido
- Luffy's goal during Marinefore is to save Ace
- Nami's goal during ArlongPark is to save her village withher money

So.. here are the clear 4 goals.. but with the story developping so did the "needs":

- Rebecca's real need is to learn that she can't fight Dofflamingo alone with only her sword.
- Momo's real need is to conquer his fear of power and resposibility (metaphorically symbolized by his fear of hights)
- Luffy needs to learn that will alone will not be sufficient to meets his goals
- Nami needs to learn that relying on her friend and trusting them instead of doing everything herself is the best option to save what she loves

Those 4 needs (and some storytelling twist) will change the way the character view their goal.

- Rebecca will change her goal slighly, from dofflamingo to the revenge for her mother
- Momo's real goal start to change once he starts concquering his fear. Now, Momo does not only want to see Kaido down, but he wants to become Shogun.
- With Ace dead.. Luffy will change his view over his own strenght and have only one goal: becoming stronger
- Nami's goalwill get what she wants (her village will be saved) but not how she wanted it to be.


it's important to keep in mind that a goal might change for a character, especially when the arc of a character focus so much on what he or she wants. Usually, it's a big red flag indicating that the goal will be drastically different


---- end of the note.


The need: Yamato is the opposite of Jinbe. While Jinbe is a fishman who has been thought as inferior to humans, Yamato has been thought as superior to humans as an oni. That’s why Kaido imprisoned her most of her life, because she idolized a mere human which in Kaido’s perspective she “lowers” her status in which she should be superior, instead of equal. Yamato needs to surpass the idea that onis are superior, that she will prove that she is not as scary, bad, or as strong as her father. Even her “needs” to surpass that comes in form of her devil fruit, which Kaido stated to be Wano’s guardian deity. At this point Yamato has 2 “needs”: (1) she can show the world that she’s not her father although they’re bonded by blood, and (2) she can show that having specific Devil Fruit of specific country doesn’t mean she’s bound at it, that she can be free on her own will. That’s why it goes back to her main purpose: to set sail and get stronger. And how to fulfill that idea? By joining Luffy, as she stated.

The need to fight to for Luffy: it’s also been stated in manga chapter 1016 that Luffy is the one Oden’s been waiting for; which pretty much means that Yamato knows that Luffy is the Joyboy, not Kaido (especially with the recent chapter that Kaido believes himself is the Joyboy); therefore Yamato stalls Kaido until Luffy returns.


well, here you said you “love” Yamato, but in your twitter you tried to make many votes for Carrot so Yamato doesn’t win. You can say the opposite but your actions showed itself.

The speed of getting at the crow's nest has never been an issue in all of the series. Usopp or whoever are casually up there in the next panel after Nami tells them to go there.

Besides, the main objective of a lookout is to be able to spot danger and alarm the crew. Eyesight is the point of it. If Carrot is outclassed by multiple members, why does that make it her strawhat level specialty? If they're on an island, why would they be relying on Carrot when multiple people can sense the aura of dangerous people and Luffy has the extra layer of seeing the future? How high she can jump doesn't matter when she doesn't have the ability to know who's a threat beyond appearances and has issues when her vision is obstructed.

it's not an issue in a calm situation. In a situation of conflict it's problematic. But even then, that's not Usopp's role so it shouldn't come into the discussion.

In fact, if eyesight helps, it's not the "point" of the role. The REAL point of the post is the heigh distance compared to the sea level. Here is why (little copy past from my blog)


THE LOOK-OUT

This is the passive part of the sentry post. The look-out side is all about observation. Without a good job as a look-out, the sentinel would be ineffective. Maybe even more so that the sentinel part, the look-out part is primordial. The look-out on the ship is the one who spots threats from a long distance. The look-out must spot Islands rapidly but also ships and threats, sometimes dozen of minutes before the actual encounter. A good look-out must be able to see with precision very far. For that reason, the best look-out will be the one with the best vision possible. And, if we assume that the One Piece world is similar to our earth with it's curvature, the best look-out is the one that can go the highest.

Here are the differences of distance to hozizon in relation to the eyesights levels (if we assume that we are on a clear sky):

- A strawhat on the deck (around 5 meters above sea level): 7,98 Kilometers
- A strawhat on the lookout (around 56 meters above sea level): 26,7 Kilometers
- A strawhat that can jump high and fast (around 156 meters above sea level): 44,6 Kilometers

This is the importance of a look-out. The higher the protagonist can go, the better the job.

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So.. with that in mind, Carrot is outclassed by none other that : ZERO member of the crew. Even Sanji can't jump as fast and as high as Carrot into the air. Carrot has the advantage of her rabbit abilities : She can jump fast / High / and stay for a while in the air. Making possible for her to look for multiple seconds on 360°.. and making her the best look out there is.

You got swift diff'd, just because you defended with nonsense points doesn't mean you didn't get beat. Everyone at this point laughs at your reading comprehension and understanding of One Piece.

Wano/Onigashima controlled territory by Kaido. Yamato has an actual reason to leave unlike Larrot who wants to go because duh she's bored.

Look closely.. you will notice that some of the serious member here are starting to understand that what I'm talking about is not so much of a fairytale and are starting to debate on a real storytelling plan now..

Of course there are laughs, there will always be laughs.. but you can be sure that there are a lot less that when I first came here.

That's the power of determination

I mean... The story goes, Yamato each chapter has more and more chances to stay, or to evolve in her dream and ambitions... Yet you can not stop thinking on the character as a Mugi...
Perople adding her as a Mugi, While Toei doesnt...
People talking about her as if he has any kind of Mugi-like anything?

It seems as if you can not enjoy the character without the possibility of being a Mugi, and IMO, that's terrible for the character. Because It's a LAW 2.0 XDXD

In fact.. as more and more chapter are sailing the seas .. Yamato get's closer and closer to the role of protector of Wano, not the strawhats, it's shown clearly by her latest development. But I agree.. the fact that people are non-stop seeing Yamato as a mugi makes them blind to her actual cahracter development which is pretty good in fact... just not related to the strawhats.

Carrot didn't give any important information on the Big Mom fleet beyond that they were in front of them. Zeus can handle that. Nami was the one that figured out the pincer formation. There's also no reason to think that Zeus can't be far from the Clima-Tact since he can take on his cloud form again. On the subject of Carrot's jumping ability, I would like to point out that when they arrived at Wano, Sanji carried her while he jumped rather than she jumped herself. It doesn't bode well that Oda had Sanji carry her rather than let her perform something that would theoretically be an important part of her job, in the same way that Usopp took on a lookout job rather than letting Carrot do it while she's just standing around doing nothing.

Wrong! Carrot litterally played the role of the look out during the whole fleeing part of the arc. Therefore she provided countless intel on the wereabout of the Big Mom's fleet. Stop with the cloud nonsence. Find at least something concrete to counter Carrot. (no pun intended)

The main point is that there are opportunities presented for Carrot to show off how and why she would be useful for the crew, but Oda keeps having the main crew just do what Carrot fans say are her main selling points as a lookout. Oda could have had Carrot jump in tandem with Sanji, but he had Sanji carry her. Oda could have had Carrot be the one to point out the guards, but he had Usopp go out of his way to point them out. It's not a good omen for her prospects of joining.

He doesn't need to be smart to be able to say "objects ahead." There's little Carrot could do more than what Zeus can do.

I agree. There are. But this would also prevent Oda from the final surprise. Wano is all about making Carrot lay low.. there is no point in making her showing off..

Remember, their are few instance where we actually see Carrot.. and in almost ALL those instance.. Carrot is just being smashed naturally (because of how the characters are constructed and their relationship) as a strawhat material..

Oda can't avoid that.. so he makes her logicaly lay low.

If you want to argue purely on physical ability since eyesight is whatever, Sanji and Luffy are able to fly. Zoro also now has Clear Lance and he can use that in midair.

Not as effectively as Carrot. Sanji makes steps, they take time. And Luffy needs to transform.

When have the SHs needed to scope a massive area in all directions? They're in their biggest battle right now and that need hasn't come up once. WCI either.

In whole cake, And Carrot did the job pretty well.

I don't see the point here. He just gave it to her since she wanted something to do. Chopper came up there too and he was doing as well as she was.

I have a LOT to say about Chopper coming up to help Carrot, but I'll reserve that for a future article on my blog. The short answer is this one : Chopper was not needed up there.

The best criteria for lookout is like coby doing his job. He can use observation haki to detect underwater torpedo then neutralize it when escorting dressrosa family. This prove that it takes more than fancy devil fruit (viola's) to be lookout. Lookout needs haki, preparedness, guarding stance, (can swim is additional 👀)

Lookout do looking out for the threat. Pedro detain pudding the moment she say that she is BM's daughter. He has that personality to be the lookout and he has role as a guardian

Pedro epithet is tree top pedro. Irl jaguar sometime stay on the tree. But do you know that jaguar is cat that can swim and dive to hunt their prey 👀

Lookout position is reserved for Jaguardian pedro

Observation Haki can only sence the user's intent. That's not the torpido that Coby is sencing, it's the intent of the pirates. That's why it's so crazy.

And as Pop implied.. the role of look out was passed on from Pedro to Carrot.. this was all the point of their relationship.

Pedro only mentor her to fight.
Carrot still does not has observation haki nor guardian role. We need someone who is always ready and prepared

Carrot's role as a Kingsbird makes her a living sentry (blog) . So yes, she is qualified. More than enough in fact. I invite you to read Carrot's first introduction.

It's an opportunity to show that when the whole crew is together she can still be useful and to specifically show that there are circumstances where Carrot herself can go above and beyond what anyone else already in the crew can do. Since Usopp did her job for her, while also taking out the threat at the same time, why do they need her? Everyone on the crew can see, and Oda has already said that the lookout job requires two people at all times.

Not for Carrot, she has the capacity to do this job alone. This was shown on Whole cake during the pursuit.

So the question is, what does Carrot bring to the crew that specifically puts her above and beyond everyone else, especially when she would just be part of the two-person rotation anyway? We already have Luffy, Sanji, and Brook who can jump as well as she can, Robin could just sprout limbs and eyes to see in every direction all at once, and now we have Zeus who can fly around at all times and report what he sees to Nami since they're already partners. There's already instances where Carrot failed to see danger, such as Daifugo's genie which she didn't notice until it was right on top of her. That's not a good look for a would-be lookout.

The answer of this questionl lies in chapter 888 and 889. The action of Carrot was something that speciffically ONLY carrot was able to do. This needed speed, efficiency and swiftness.. Carrot did the job perfectly. What place a strawhat above anyother cahracter are mostly specific situations (tornados / Tsunamis / Needs for a sniper / Need for a carpenter / Need for someone to guide the crew etc.) The response of each strawhat to those specific situation makes them "abovenormal" in term of capacity for a post. I call that the nakama shining actions. Look it up.

Carrot didn't failed to see Daifuku's genie, in fact in the anime she was prepared for it. OF course this is non canon, but this shoes that this "loved" assumption is wrong. ;)

A big knock against Carrot is that all Straw Hats have been either people whose position is either tied to wanting to be the best at what they do (Zoro being the greatest swordsman, Chopper being able to cure any disease, Franky building a ship that can go around the entire Grand Line) or they are already hyper-competent (Nami's weather reading being beyond any other Navigator, Usopp being able to snipe from miles away and calculating the physics behind his shots in his head while using different ammo types and various arms, Sanji being able to make delicious food out of limited or subpar ingredients, Robin being the only one who can read Poneglyphs, Brook being able to play any instrument, and Jinbe being able to read the currents and course-correct the ship on the fly). Carrot has not been shown to fall into either of these categories.

Wrong. In fact Carrot's (supposed) purpose ties perfectly with her post. Carrot supposed purpose will most likely related to the discovery of the word and the adventure and wonder that comes with it. The look-out position symbolise perfectly this purpose as the look out will be the first to experience the adventure that waits ahead.

What else is there to being a lookout beyond being able to see and reporting in? Also, what has Carrot done to be a lookout beyond looking and reporting?

Jumping high (you will have to look for one of the first post in that reply to understand that, I will not copy paste it twice) and being able to report it with great joy

Sure, Zeus being a lookout hasn't been implied, but when he can cover everything Carrot can do as a lookout, then she's just redundant. The best hope for people who want Carrot to join is as an apprentice.

Stop with Zeus. This is nonsence.

Her ride waiting to take her home

When an artist construct an image THAT IMPORTANT.. trust me, even if he add a secondary character on the side.. the message will stay the same. There is no world where Oda is creating this image of the first time of all the strawhat being reunited since fishmen island.. and" thinking.. well I would just add Carrot for quality value"

The message of this panel, is stronger than every argument I could make in favor of Carrot. And that is just undeniable. Sorry.

Plus, you have to remember this too. And the choice to put Wanda away. This artwork is litterally a creation that present the nextstrawhat.

I'll just focus on this since it's the crux of what my main point is.

Carrot did not get anything comparable to what Jinbe got. Maybe if you argued his helmsman role pre-WCI, but that arc established why that is his unique specialty and no one is even close to him. While multiple SHs can be at his spot, none of them have his vast knowledge of waves and his ability to ride in the Green Room. The same applies to every other member since they're all a top talent at what they do.

You look at Carrot and there's nothing unique that makes her a top talent at being a lookout. When she's on the crow's nest, she gives the same exact performance as Chopper or anyone else there. When she's on an island, her jumping is easily outclassed by the monster trio. Even if I were to agree with your downplay, it says something that there's room for debate when she's suppose to be the clear best at it.

I agree that's legit the only role she has setup for, but its no more concrete than people arguing Yamato as a logkeeper.

Wrong. Carrot had almost EVERYTHING Jinbe had BUT the "strong interaction with Luffy".. But those tends to arrivess very late in the arc so .. don't forget to look for it ;)

And I already explained to you the concept of Nakama shining action that make Carrot relation to her post, Unique... I shouldn't have to repeat that again for the .. i don't even count anymore lol

(damn I'm writing so much that I'm lagging)

I know im going to regret asking, but what overall plot relevance does Carrot hold in the grand scheme of the story?
What major plot point carries Carrot over in the story over other minks like the Dukes who rule the nation of Zou and have more knowledge on any Mink prophecy that could be relevant?

Let me reply you in another post, I'm lagging too much lol

 

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"Carrot irrelevant ?" That take is beyond laughable.

When you put it that way, and Carrot showcasing the power that was mention but never seen is enough to make you a strong candidate for SH... then we are going back around to pick up some people who went at the main villians