Current Events Will Zoro Forge Enma into a Black Blade During the Wano Arc?

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Cry cause as usual you're making dumb points

Oden fought dragon kaido for an hour could freely coat coc apparently but only managed to hit kaido once in an hour.
Cool story bro.

Wrong again

Zoro was feeding enma constant ryou. Not coc. If you actually read the last part of the fight after the first hit that takes King's mask off zoro was actively coating and not coating his coc.

He could do that with a broken body anyway.
Now he folding

1000 vs 9. You act like it's just so easy for Oden to land attacks against Kaido, when the man had almost 100 times the amount of people on his side.

Kaido came out and met Oden on the battlefield. You're fooling yourself if you think he was just flying around doing absolutely nothing the entire time Oden and the Scabbards were decimating his forces.

I use to make the same arguments, until I realized how ridiculous it sounded to think Kaido sat back and did nothing the entire time. And once Oda showed us how high of a pedestal Kaido places Oden on, then it's easy to surmise that they actually fought way more than we were shown.

 

[Finalbeta]

ZoIo's out for the arc though

Momentarily

 

[Malio]

I bet on a theory that you need to fulfill the blade's will to forge black.

In this case, the Enma's will is definitely be killing Kaido.
And Wado is being the greatest swordman.

Thus, I believe Enma will turn black this arc when ZKK happens.

So if its the desire of the sword (which would come from the desire of the user by default), could it maybe mean that:

Ryuma defending Wano from pirates and the WG = Black Blade?

Mihawk becoming the World's Strongest Swordsman = Black Blade?

Zoro killing Kaido (which would also be what Enma desires, passed down from Oden's desire of doing it), something Zoro wants to do anyway = Black Blade?

Would make the most sense, if desire of the person/sword is what turns it Black. Plus the people who cry "too many power ups" can't cry, cause fulfilling a desire =/= power up.

 

[Law-sama]

I seriously think he will forge his 3 blades black at the same time when fighting Mihawk. After that the fight will ended in 2-3 chapters.

 

[Finalbeta]

The black blade is probably a much more serious matter than many posited so far from the look of it. 🧐

 

[Mr.9000]

Ryuma and Mihawk spent their lives with their blades honing their skills and defeating strong opponents but Zoro gets a new sword and is able to accomplish the same feat in under a month?

The goat doing goat things.
Zoro has to be more special than Roger, Shanks, Ryuma, and Mihawk. He's meant to be strongest swordsmen of all time. No problem to me.

BTW you can say the same for zoro. Hes already a master swordsman pre CoC haki, even Mihawk was surprised how fast he's growing.

 

[zzShinichi]

The argument about Ryuma, Mihawk, Oden spending their entire life blackening their sword, only for Zoro to do it in 1 month is dumb
Katakuri spent his entire fucking life honing his COO to the point of seeing future, only for a little kid to master it in like 12 hours

 

[Cinera]

I think no because Zoro doesnt know how to do it… people keep talking about black blades, gyukimaru, hitetsu and even Mihawk but none of them have ever said “This is how black blades are forged”

This feat is so rare that i do not believe that anyone can do it WITHOUT actually knowing how to do it… Its like ryuo… even Veterans masters of haki like Katakuri DO NOT have Ryuo simply because they HAVE TO BE taught it or else they will never just randomly do it from nowhere

Zoro will not make a black blade until we the readers know exactly how black blades are forged

There's nothing preventing Zoro from learning how during the Wano arc.

When he set out which blade did he have with him? Wado. When he fought Mihawk for the first time which sword did he have with him? Wado. When he almost died learning how to cut steel which sword did he have with him? Wado.


That's why I think Wado should be the first. It's the only sword Zoro has that's been with him throughout all of his battles. Zoro turning Enma (a sword he literally just got) black before Wado would be a disservice to his character

There is no indication that time spent with the blade is important. Especially not time spent with the blade before Zoro awakened Haoshoku. Forging a Black Blade requires infusing the blade with haki.

Oden has already put in majority of the work to getting it to that status.
Zoro is simply finishing the job.

Nothing indicates that Enma is more blackened than any other sword. Hell, what the manga suggests is that Oden could not make Enma black.

If Enma is easier to blacken than Sandai or Wado, it will simply be because Enma forces its user to excessively release their haki by default. In that sense, Enma may be the easiest sword to blacken period.

 

[sneko]

done

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

There's nothing preventing Zoro from learning how during the Wano arc.

Well problem is, we kinda at the end of the arc and there’s no sign of a plot device that’s gonna have Zoro learn how to do it

 

[yorosenpai]

I think the answer is yes. Surpassing Oden by blackening Enma would be much less meaningful and impactful if it happens after Wano.

There wouldn't be anyone to properly appreciate the magnitude of the accomplishment.

Gyukimaru and Hitetsu are citizens of Wano. Gyukimaru told us that Ryuma forged Shusui into a Black Blade through his history of battle:

Spoiler

Hitetsu told us that depending on Zoro, Enma's rank may get be raised:

Spoiler

If anyone should witness Zoro forging a Black Blade, it is them.

Kaido is the one who declared that there shall never again be a monster samurai of the likes of Kozuki Oden:

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If anyone should recognise the birth of such a samurai, it is him.


Perhaps the Scabbards too should witness Zoro performing the deed.


The connection between Zoro and Oden was further highlighted during his battle with King. Zoro speculated that Oden was able to wield Enma as if it were "as light as a feather":

Spoiler

Blackening Enma and/or surpassing Oden after Wano is just bankrupt of meaning.

in around 12chapters-15chapters we will have the definitive answer (which will be yes). Beginning September this thread get a W

 

[Welkin]

The argument about Ryuma, Mihawk, Oden spending their entire life blackening their sword, only for Zoro to do it in 1 month is dumb
Katakuri spent his entire fucking life honing his COO to the point of seeing future, only for a little kid to master it in like 12 hours

The difference between future sight and black blades for me is the portrayal and the hype. So far there’s only 2 people in all of One Piece with black blades in a world where most strong combatants are swordsmen. Mihawk and Ryuma are the only 2 people that managed to create one and they both just so happen to be among the strongest fighters in their respective eras

Mind you this is something Roger, Shanks, Rayleigh, Xebec (we don’t know but I doubt he has one), and Oden couldn’t accomplish. If Zoro at this point in the story and at his current level is able to pick up a sword out of nowhere and make it black after such a short period of time then that completely diminishes the feat for me

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There's nothing preventing Zoro from learning how during the Wano arc.



There is no indication that time spent with the blade is important. Especially not time spent with the blade before Zoro awakened Haoshoku. Forging a Black Blade requires infusing the blade with haki.



Nothing indicates that Enma is more blackened than any other sword. Hell, what the manga suggests is that Oden could not make Enma black.

If Enma is easier to blacken than Sandai or Wado, it will simply be because Enma forces its user to excessively release their haki by default. In that sense, Enma may be the easiest sword to blacken period.

If all it took was infusing a blade with enough haki then every top tier swordsman in One Piece would have a black blade right now

 

[yorosenpai]

The difference between future sight and black blades for me is the portrayal and the hype. So far there’s only 2 people in all of One Piece with black blades in a world where most strong combatants are swordsmen. Mihawk and Ryuma are the only 2 people that managed to create one and they both just so happen to be among the strongest fighters in their respective eras

Mind you this is something Roger, Shanks, Rayleigh, Xebec (we don’t know but I doubt he has one), and Oden couldn’t accomplish. If Zoro at this point in the story and at his current level is able to pick up a sword out of nowhere and make it black after such a short period of time then that completely diminishes the feat for me

Not if the feat is related to slicing down Kaido. Look soon we will know how you achieve the blacken blade.
Beating Kaido is something, capture kaido is something, killing Kaido is something that even Oden failed to achieve (Oden is a top tier pirata)-.

 

[Welkin]

Not if the feat is related to slicing down Kaido. Look soon we will know how you achieve the blacken blade.
Beating Kaido is something, capture kaido is something, killing Kaido is something that even Oden failed to achieve (Oden is a top tier pirata)-.

From what I know about ZKK I don’t really see how killing Kaido at that point is a feat. Iirc all Zoro would be doing is swooping in and stealing the kill lol

 

[yorosenpai]

From what I know about ZKK I don’t really see how killing Kaido at that point is a feat. Iirc all Zoro would be doing is swooping in and stealing the kill lol

ftw you talking?
Leaveing a scar is an incredible feat vs Kaido, but choping his head is totally different....
Look Oden feat was the most praised by Kaido, (leaving 2 scars) Zoro did a new one but chopping Kaido head is something that no one could achive that.

 

[Cinera]

So y’all would be satisfied with Zoro turning Enma black when Oden did most of the legwork?

There is zero indication that Enma is already partway towards being forged into a Black Blade.

Because it’s barely his feat at that point. Blackening a blade he just got instead of a blade he’s had with him since the beginning that he’s fought and struggled with is a stain on Zoro’s status as a swordsman

No, per Hitetsu, blackening Enma will depend entirely on Zoro:

There's no real indication that the time spent with a blade matters towards forging it black. Especially not "time spent with the blade before Zoro learned Haoshoku coating".

So if its the desire of the sword (which would come from the desire of the user by default), could it maybe mean that:

Ryuma defending Wano from pirates and the WG = Black Blade?

Mihawk becoming the World's Strongest Swordsman = Black Blade?

Zoro killing Kaido (which would also be what Enma desires, passed down from Oden's desire of doing it), something Zoro wants to do anyway = Black Blade?

Would make the most sense, if desire of the person/sword is what turns it Black. Plus the people who cry "too many power ups" can't cry, cause fulfilling a desire =/= power up.

Mihawk said that with haki any blade can become a Black Blade like Yoru:

I strongly doubt that all swords have wills.

Black Blades are most likely just the pinnacle of infusing haki into one's weapons.

 

[Welkin]

ftw you talking?
Leaveing a scar is an incredible feat vs Kaido, but choping his head is totally different....
Look Oden feat was the most praised by Kaido, (leaving 2 scars) Zoro did a new one but chopping Kaido head is something that no one could achive that.

Yeah Zoro scarred Kaido in a 1 on 1 fight which is what makes it impressive. Cutting Kaido’s head off after Luffy defeats him or when he’s at 1% HP is not a feat

Perfect example. What the BB Pirates did to WB isn’t impressive but what Akainu did to WB is. Akainu put a hole in his head while counter attacking while the BB Pirates jumped him when he was half dead

 

[Cinera]

Mind you this is something Roger, Shanks, Rayleigh, Xebec (we don’t know but I doubt he has one), and Oden couldn’t accomplish. If Zoro at this point in the story and at his current level is able to pick up a sword out of nowhere and make it black after such a short period of time then that completely diminishes the feat for me

Enma's portrayal of forcing its wielder to excessively release Ryuo could make it easier to blacken than other swords.

If all it took was infusing a blade with enough haki then every top tier swordsman in One Piece would have a black blade right now

No, their haki is simply not great enough.

The Top Tier swordsmen don't have sufficient haki prowess. Mihawk told us that with haki every weapon can be forged into a Black Blade like Yoru:

Spoiler

Well problem is, we kinda at the end of the arc and there’s no sign of a plot device that’s gonna have Zoro learn how to do it

• Mihawk flashback
• Gyukimaru
• Hitetsu
• Zoro getting a vision/epiphany when he visits Ryuma's grave

in around 12chapters-15chapters we will have the definitive answer (which will be yes). Beginning September this thread get a W

I'm not sure it would be so soon.

Not if the feat is related to slicing down Kaido. Look soon we will know how you achieve the blacken blade.

I think forging a Black Blade is just the epitome of infusing haki in your weapon lol. See Mihawk's statement:

Spoiler

 

[Welkin]

Enma's portrayal of forcing its wielder to excessively release Ryuo could make it easier to blacken than other swords.



No, their haki is simply not great enough.

The Top Tier swordsmen don't have sufficient haki prowess. Mihawk told us that with haki every weapon can be forged into a Black Blade like Yoru:

Spoiler

• Mihawk flashback
• Gyukimaru
• Hitetsu
• Zoro getting a vision/epiphany when he visits Ryuma's grave

I'm not sure it would be so soon.




I think forging a Black Blade is just the epitome of infusing haki in your weapon lol. See Mihawk's statement:

Spoiler

So Zoro will come out of Wano with a black blade which means he has better haki than every top tier I just listed? That doesn’t make any sense. Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks, and Oden became top tiers with their swordsmanship and haki alone yet they don’t meet the necessary requirements to forge a black blade but Zoro coming out of Wano does?

Oda would have to jump through 100 hoops to make that make sense. There’s no way Shanks is a Yonko with one arm but doesn’t have the haki necessary to forge a black blade

 

[yorosenpai]

Enma's portrayal of forcing its wielder to excessively release Ryuo could make it easier to blacken than other swords.



No, their haki is simply not great enough.

The Top Tier swordsmen don't have sufficient haki prowess. Mihawk told us that with haki every weapon can be forged into a Black Blade like Yoru:

Spoiler

• Mihawk flashback
• Gyukimaru
• Hitetsu
• Zoro getting a vision/epiphany when he visits Ryuma's grave

I'm not sure it would be so soon.




I think forging a Black Blade is just the epitome of infusing haki in your weapon lol. See Mihawk's statement:

Spoiler

I agree but chapter 1033 said that all blades whatever the status have their own will.
They also said that is the blade that choose the owner and not the owner that chose the blade.

Blackeing blade require multiple process but the harderst is to fully understand the will of the blade. Top swordman were able to do the first step (infusion with haki coating with coc too) but that not enough because they never explore the fully extend of the will behind the blade.

Enma the lord of the underwold (has his onw will) and Zoro was tested in chapter 1033 to carry her. He gave all his hacky in that occasion, but that only part of the process (which is what you stating infusing with hacky coc too) now Zoro need to understand what Enma really desire (aka chopping Kaido).

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Yeah Zoro scarred Kaido in a 1 on 1 fight which is what makes it impressive. Cutting Kaido’s head off after Luffy defeats him or when he’s at 1% HP is not a feat

Perfect example. What the BB Pirates did to WB isn’t impressive but what Akainu did to WB is. Akainu put a hole in his head while counter attacking while the BB Pirates jumped him when he was half dead

If a dragon is able to fly and still use boro breath to destroy the city, I dont care how many HP Kaido has left, it still an impressive feat.
A feat that can be remember for generation :cheers: (such as Ryuma)