Questions & Mysteries Who is the Monster Samurai?

[GeneralP123]

There will probably never be another Samurai of Oden's Caliber, so no one is gonna prove Kaido wrong.

 

[HA001]

Yeah and with the gap between Kaido and King Luffy could fodder King as well

Zoro will always end up fighting the second strongest because Zoro will always be the second strongest and no amount of coping will change that

Neither kaido nor luffy are beating King in minutes
Law walked off an acoc bagua lmfao with 0 issue
And luffys ap we already exposed.

He already fought kaido and meme
Got insane feats
Whipped king in minutes
And will kill kaido

 

[Adamxero]

As someone else mentioned Izo did use swords, hell Oda may have even recently came up with doing that. I'd say practising a lot of traditions of Wano such as Bushido. I'd also say that protecting and serving a Daimyo is good evidence of this as samurai did exactly this in Japan's history. Imagine my surprise to find out Luffy doesn't do any of this. They also used katana as we saw with the whole 'Sunacchi' thing that Zoro was involved the plotline of. Again, Luffy doesn't do this. It might be easier if you can find some aspects of Samurai that Luffy does fit into.

If I were to say whom Oden is more like without swords I'd say neither. Neither Zoro nor Luffy are interested in women, or being both leader and subordinate, Oda stated Luffy is definitely against killing, unlike Oden. The two also don't choose their own happiness over protecting their loved ones.
But regardless, Oden does use swords whether you like it or not. His having swords was made quite significant, too. Actually thinking about it I think the only reason you even asked who better resembles Oden without blades is to give Luffy help in his comparison. But again, Oden does have blades, katana to be more exact, and it's clearly a very important aspect of his character.

But he isn't using swords now so that fact alone disproves the notion all samurai must use swords it's that simple saying a samurai is just someone who uses a sword shows a lack of understanding what a samurai is in this series.

Oden is very much like Luffy with his drive for freedom, protecting those he cares about and not being afraid to give it all. Zoro has some of these qualities yes but he's not the one fighting Kaido. You take the swords off Oden and he's exactly the same person. A samurai.

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Neither kaido nor luffy are beating King in minutes
Law walked off an acoc bagua lmfao with 0 issue
And luffys ap we already exposed.

He already fought kaido and meme
Got insane feats
Whipped king in minutes
And will kill kaido

Luffy and Kaido neg King.

The agenda the moment Zoro boys realised Zoro wouldn't be fighting Kaido and would be fighting King was to try push King to be near equal to Kaido

 

[nik87]

Luffy

 

[cleanmrpostman]

Oden is very much like Luffy with his drive for freedom, protecting those he cares about and not being afraid to give it all. Zoro has some of these qualities yes but he's not the one fighting Kaido. You take the swords off Oden and he's exactly the same person. A samurai.

Do you think those qualities are what makes a samurai? Lmao since when were samurai in Japan all about freedom, they had very strict rules, Oden was an exception. Also like I said Oden knew what was going on in Wano and decided to go back to adventuring anyway until it was too late, but that's not the point. You're ignoring the fact that no matter what logical definition or attributes of samurai anyone comes up with, Luffy doesn't fit it. Those qualities of Oden in a vacuum don't make him a samurai, without his Wano connections, swordless Oden wouldn't be a samurai.

 

[Adamxero]

Do you think those qualities are what makes a samurai? Lmao since when were samurai in Japan all about freedom, they had very strict rules, Oden was an exception. Also like I said Oden knew what was going on in Wano and decided to go back to adventuring anyway until it was too late, but that's not the point. You're ignoring the fact that no matter what logical definition or attributes of samurai anyone comes up with, Luffy doesn't fit it. Those qualities of Oden in a vacuum don't make him a samurai, without his Wano connections, swordless Oden wouldn't be a samurai.

Oden was an exception? You know how much it sounds like you're coping here.

Oden had qualities Luffy has which is what makes him a samurai classing someone who just uses a sword as a samurai is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Oden while he was being boiled didn't have his swords he had given them away I guess he stopped being a samurai there then ridiculous.

 

[Malio]

Yet he uses guns now



Are you dumb?

If you still don't get it, that's some problem on your end. Either way

:holdthisl:

 

[Adamxero]

If you still don't get it, that's some problem on your end. Either way

:holdthisl:

Yeah it's a problem on my end and not the ZKK cultists just deluding themselves as usual

 

[cleanmrpostman]

Oden was an exception? You know how much it sounds like you're coping here.

Oden absolutely was exceptional when it came to his desire for leaving Wano. Are you kidding? Or are you saying that isn't relevant? The samurai of Japan and the samurai of Wano have very strict rules and traditions, so calling Oden anything of a typical samurai that you could use as a litmus test to hold Luffy next to is stupid to say the least.

Oden had qualities Luffy has which is what makes him a samurai classing someone who just uses a sword as a samurai is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

If you read what I said again you'll realise I specifically listed characteristics besides using a sword which legitimately belongs to samurai. Your denial has hit a point of no return I'm afraid, your brain seems to be straight up ignoring words you read so your arguments stay sane in your head. I also said your specific ideas of a samurai were cherry picked to support Luffy, and aren't even close to unique traits of samurai, in One piece or otherwise.

Oden while he was being boiled didn't have his swords he had given them away I guess he stopped being a samurai there then ridiculous.

I obviously would still call him a samurai while he was boiling, as his Wano lineage was still true. If you made him a character who simply likes freedom, protecting others and 'giving it all' then no, I wouldn't call him a samurai.

 

[Malio]

Yeah it's a problem on my end and not the ZKK cultists just deluding themselves as usual

Good. This is the first step in recovery 101. Admission

 

[Finalbeta]

The only one who probably deserves the nomination is the Grandmaster 🤔

 

[Adamxero]

Oden absolutely was exceptional when it came to his desire for leaving Wano. Are you kidding? Or are you saying that isn't relevant? The samurai of Japan and the samurai of Wano have very strict rules and traditions, so calling Oden anything of a typical samurai that you could use as a litmus test to hold Luffy next to is stupid to say the least.



If you read what I said again you'll realise I specifically listed characteristics besides using a sword which legitimately belongs to samurai. Your denial has hit a point of no return I'm afraid, your brain seems to be straight up ignoring words you read so your arguments stay sane in your head. I also said your specific ideas of a samurai were cherry picked to support Luffy, and aren't even close to unique traits of samurai, in One piece or otherwise.



I obviously would still call him a samurai while he was boiling, as his Wano lineage was still true. If you made him a character who simply likes freedom, protecting others and 'giving it all' then no, I wouldn't call him a samurai.

So this seems to be agree to disagree situation.

I'm not going to convince you and you aren't going to convince me in the end Oda will show who Kaido was referring to if Zoro has no further input and Luffy is the one finish it I'll know I was right and if Zoro does go back to Kaido and Kaido refers to Zoro as monster samurai I'll concede.

However at this stage I do not see Zoro going back.

 

[Hanzo hattori]

Hotei

 

[Shanks_SZN]

After a thousand chapters of dancing around Zoro's kingly ambitions, Oda has finally had the character come out and say it - the World's Strongest Swordsman does indeed aspire to be a king. Specifically, in Zoro's case, the king of hell. But Oda's clever wordplay in 1035 has me wondering if Zoro may also be destined to become king of the samurai. Let's take a look at what he said:

地獄 or 侍極?

Spoiler

地獄　is made up of the characters じごく and means 'hell'. However, じごく was also used in the naming of Zoro's new Santoryuu attack in 1035, with the same characters presented with a different kanji meaning 'high ranking samurai'.

Spoiler

侍極 - じごく
侍 - samurai
極 - extreme/highly/highest rank
[/SPOILER

The Wordsplays persuaded me that zoro is the monster samurai kaido was referring to, and his thread obviously,

Here is the Link: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...and-deuteragonist-of-wano.20398/#post-2287895


And Oda also compared the king/God of samurai to Zoro, which makes even more sense for Zoro to be the monster samurai kaido was referring to.

 

[Halyup]

It’s obviously Luffy. I don’t even know where the notion that it HAD to be Zoro came from. Luffy has been referred to as a samurai in Wano already so it’s not like it’s a swordsman-only thing.

Lmao things that would age like milk
See you all in 6 months to hand the Ls

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The Wordsplays persuaded me that zoro is the monster samurai kaido was referring to, and his thread obviously,

Here is the Link: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...and-deuteragonist-of-wano.20398/#post-2287895


And Oda also compared the king/God of samurais to Zoro, which makes even more sense for Zoro to be the monster samurai kaido was referring to.

And in luffys own words
He cant become a samurai without a katana lol

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Fujitora.

 

[Halyup]

Fujitora.

Its red hair pirates bongouo or lime juice

 

[Mr.9000]

The 15 people that voted Luffy like holding L's

Spoiler: Luffytards

Luffy finds the Nidai and Kaido is like Monster Samurai? LKK, then lets make a thread where Luffy is a better swordsman than zolo or luffy vs all the SH's:yasu:

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Oda Forget

 

[Lor D. Coast]

This guy.