Chapter Discussion One Piece - Chapter 971: Sentenced to Boil

[zzShinichi]

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I'll just leave this link here for all the shipwrights saying it shouldn't take 5 years to build ships

https://m.q-files.com/history/pirates-galleons/building-a-galleon

Sunny took like a week

 

[King of Hearts]

The thought of "Oden genuinely believed Kaido and Orochi would just depart Wano if he keeps dancing" once crossed my mind.
But nah, I refused to believe it, it's too dumb for even Idiot Lord's standard.
Turned out I underestimated him...

Well on the bright side, I know this is still early 2020 but here we go we have a winner already!!

And yet, plenty of people are defending this and saying “Wooow!! That makes so much sense!!” without a hint of sarcasm in their post.

Is Oda implying that Oden never encountered deceit his whole entire life? Even on the Grand Line?

 

[comrade]

He bought time for what?

I mean unless he has an actual trick up his sleave then I'm sure it was pure luck that anything happened that actually saved them

Can't think of a scenario where Oden is fooled again and be like "oh no, I fell for them again". Oden must have planned something.

 

[SmokedOut]

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Sunny took like a week

:smithnie:Well played

 

[OEKaneki]

Pretty good. Excellent characterization of Oden in this chapter. The hostages were a legit excuse and him using dancing to check to make sure none of the territories were continuing to be affected was a nice way to tie everything together. Plus, carrying the scabbards on his back was pretty cool. Orochi got a little more depth here, and Kaido was shown again to never have been phased by Oden at all. Also, Kaido has been shown to be afflicted by boldness, which captures many of the people in the series. His decision to allow Oden to carry his scabbards on his back directly leads to him finally getting beaten by Luffy 20+ years later. It’s gonna be really satisfying to see that happen.

 

[bluefire12]

Like Mad Treasure Oden is a certified Legend

 

[dirtyLarry]

Pretty good. Excellent characterization of Oden in this chapter. The hostages were a legit excuse and him using dancing to check to make sure none of the territories were continuing to be affected was a nice way to tie everything together. Plus, carrying the scabbards on his back was pretty cool. Orochi got a little more depth here, and Kaido was shown again to never have been phased by Oden at all. Also, Kaido has been shown to be afflicted by boldness, which captures many of the people in the series. His decision to allow Oden to carry his scabbards on his back directly leads to him finally getting beaten by Luffy 20+ years later. It’s gonna be really satisfying to see that happen.

Exactly.

Oden's thought process is pretty comprehensible. Fighting against Kaido, the barrier-man, Orochi and the clone-witch would've more than likely resulted in his defeat on the spot. Breaking an oath is totally out of character and even if he did, Oden knew a direct war would've caused thousands over thousands of civil casualities, while their chance of success would still be only 50% at best.

So he begrudgingly took the deal, believing they would honor the contract when he only embarasses himself for 5 years (he gave a shit about his reputation anyway). Since the hostages were released and he checked on all the provinces, not noting anything suspicious, he obviously thought even more that they would indeed leave Wano after 5 years.

He would've solved everything without any casualities by just playing a fool for 5 years. Unfortunately we know what happened.

 

[Draco]

So, the "ship" was actually for Orochi and Kaido, because Oden thought that if he danced enough the two would of them get the fuck out Wano?

Man, Oden's such a retard

 

[Dark Hound]

The chaddest chad to ever chad

 

[hornista4]

The story telling os great, i didnt fall much for Oden until this chapter, this is where he shows his real King personality. Oden you re the man. 😎😎

 

[comrade]

Oden-sama ❤️

 

[Finalbeta]

A pity to see our chad Oden in such a terrific state but Kaido gained a huge bonus in my eyes after displaying this cruelty feat.

 

[dizzy2341]

My God...So Orochi openly admitted to his sole purpose for being Shogun was to destroy the country and get revenge on its people, and that joke of a character STILL let him rule Wano for half a decade without doing anything?????

Orochi openly stated, "I got the shogun position to destroy this country", and you don't think that maybe you should consider rallying some people behind the scenes for an attack? You don't think that maybe you should have a plan up your sleeve if the known cheat, shitbag, lying murderer were to try and trick you, YET AGAIN?

Wano's people were starving, being forced into labour, and executed if they refused, and this was all acceptable to Oden, as long as they weren't being kidnapped? Didn't matter if their lives were reduced to utter misery, barely managing to scrape by. This was all ok to Oden?

He legitimately trusted Orochi and Kaido when they said they would just leave after 5 years?????????????

The jackass getting his balls boiled off, that's who.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Jeez, Orochi's background is pretty much evil-Robin/Ace. And still is a much better character than Kaido so far is. Not a sympathetic character, but understandable where he comes from and why he's done what he's done. If anything I could have done with more of Orochi's flashback being done properly, and not as an aside in Oden's (which is also Kine'mon's).

And now for the big one, Oden's reason for not going to war. I find it okay. Leaning towards good. Don't think it's absolutely terrible, don't think it's going to go down in history as one of the great One Piece sacrifices. It is Eiichiro Oda down to a tee though, it's like Robin trusting Spandam again and sacrificing herself for the sake of the Strawhats.

So from Oden's side- yup, it's very naive. Though I think it makes way more sense than the idea that he was hoping Orochi would provide ships or Oden himself to leave. But the reasoning does make a bit of sense. Orochi had just admitted he despises Wano and everything in it. Kaido's shown up and Oden's not sure he can defeat him. There isn't just a threat that they'll kill everyone, they've actually got hostages tied up ready for execution. So he's got the bargain that they're using Wano as a staging ground and after that will bugger off to war elsewhere. And for five years Orochi does stick to his side of the bargain.

Have to say though, I think Oden's great. Really do. Probably my favourite character introduced since the timeskip.

 

[Longleg Larry]

Alright Oden, time to gtf outta the way.
:holdthisl:
This is Orochi's flashback now & he's got his sights set on villain MVP (Most Vile Prick)
:cheers:

 

[comrade]

Oden > Orochi. Orochi spreads the propaganda of being a 2 sword style User. Because he wants to be a Chad like Oden. Who is loved by everyone and has a beautiful wife.

 

[True God Moe]

Oden did the same thing Sanji did in WCI......"believing in the enemy"

Sanji's case wasn't to believe in them, he was blackmail and couldn't do much in his situation with costing him in some form. Oden had free will to kept fighting without anything holding him back, but choose to believe them on his own. He actually did a Zoro when he choose to believe Helmeppo to take place of a little girl and think he was going to get out of it later. That is similar case than Sanji.

They aren't the sane

 

[HA001]

Sanji's case wasn't to believe in them, he was blackmail and couldn't do much in his situation with costing him in some form. Oden had free will to kept fighting without anything holding him back, but choose to believe them on his own. He actually did a Zoro when he choose to believe Helmeppo to take place of a little girl and think he was going to get out of it later. That is similar case than Sanji.

They aren't the sane

So you admit zoro = oden

 

[True God Moe]

Oden was an idiot for believing the enemy and Sanji well because female.

Given his backstory. It's understandable why Sanji dud believe women more. Plus it had good affect in the end. Viola and Pudding change because of him. Not really negative to his trait as Oda push it one of good traits.

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genius or not....being kind leads to downfall occasionally.....

Not really. Oda pushed his Kindness one of his best trait. You didn't understand arc was about if you think that was the issue. Pudding, Chiffion, Bege, and others wouldn't help Strawhats if wasn't for Sanji's kindness and them helping them. What Headcannon you doing now, Shura? WCI went the way it suppose to be. It wasn't meant as something else if your still on about that.

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So you admit zoro = oden

Nah, just similar case as example. Though honestly he feels like embodiment of M3 on how he is.

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I never said WCI Sanji was a genius

Actually was smart in the arc, but you can't expect Yonko and their Crew to go down by brains alone. Plus him getting out of the situation easily.

 

[dirtyLarry]

Sanji's case wasn't to believe in them, he was blackmail and couldn't do much in his situation with costing him in some form. Oden had free will to kept fighting without anything holding him back, but choose to believe them on his own. He actually did a Zoro when he choose to believe Helmeppo to take place of a little girl and think he was going to get out of it later. That is similar case than Sanji.

They aren't the sane

All those situations are very similar, although Zoro's situation from back then probably really describes it best.

Sanji's situation is very similar though, too.

Sanji also didn't want to cause any casualities. That was his sole reason to agree to the wedding. He could've just told Capone to fuck off and start a 50/50 fight against Capone back on Zou. Yet he chose the route that suppsedly wouldn't cause any casualities. Later on he even bargains with BM and is really happy when she tells him, that the SHs will be let free, when the wedding is over. Yet to us readers it's shown that BM totally would've butchered that deal and intended to kill Luffy and Nami afterwards all along.

Oden could've started a 50/50 fight, but he decided that the countless casualties and uncertainty of the battle outcome weren't worth it and bet on the honor of Kaido/Orochi to keep their promise and leave after five years.
It backfired on him, just like it would've backfired on Zoro and Sanji, if Luffy didn't emerge at the right time.