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Nope. Are you forgetting last chapter? Kaido literally said that oden had a chance of winning five years ago. So he did on fact have a choice.
In fact he also never really protected anyone since his deal didn't stop Orochi from continuing to enslave everyone and destroy wano
And I bet it's divine intervention that the Scabbards even survived.
Its the boiling that turned people around. No one actually cares about the actual logic behind anything as long as Oden is being one tough guy boiling for his men
In fact he also never really protected anyone since his deal didn't stop Orochi from continuing to enslave everyone and destroy wano
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And I bet it's divine intervention that the Scabbards even survived.
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Its the boiling that turned people around. No one actually cares about the actual logic behind anything as long as Oden is being one tough guy boiling for his men
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Honestly, seeing all those irrelevant citizens talking shit about Oden in this chapter. Trying to act like they are important. They deserve every minute from their suffering during the past 20 years.
In fact, Luffy basically should cancel this invasion on Onigashima, and call it off. And tell Momonosuke and the retainers that they can find a better country to live in than this pile of crap!
Just try to compare the citizens of this garbage to (Dressrosa/Shandians/Minks/Fishmen...etc) They are GARBAGE with every sense of the word!
And in fact, Orochi has every right to punish them because these guys are "self-proclaimed" justice, and they feel so entitled, to where they hunted down every Korozomi member, even kids.
So, yeah. I agree with some of the statements saying that Orochi did nothing wrong to Wano citizens. They deserve EVERY punishment.
In fact, Luffy basically should cancel this invasion on Onigashima, and call it off. And tell Momonosuke and the retainers that they can find a better country to live in than this pile of crap!
Just try to compare the citizens of this garbage to (Dressrosa/Shandians/Minks/Fishmen...etc) They are GARBAGE with every sense of the word!
And in fact, Orochi has every right to punish them because these guys are "self-proclaimed" justice, and they feel so entitled, to where they hunted down every Korozomi member, even kids.
So, yeah. I agree with some of the statements saying that Orochi did nothing wrong to Wano citizens. They deserve EVERY punishment.
Man might be tripping but coulda sworn I saw babanuki in this chapter 😂. Big Samurai on the panel on right beside the first Oniwaban panel looks like him lolz.
Chapter itself was good. Oden is a pretty cuul character. Feel Oda is going that extra mile to drive it home that this dude is the epitome of manliness. Swear down I won’t be surprised if he survived the boiling & Kaidou and/or Orochi killed him regardless. Pretty nice reference to Ishikawa Goemom with Oda having Oden carry his vassals whilst he getting boiled. Also I think it’s time we acknowledge that Oden’s body is in the same league as the likes of Lilin lolz. I used to play it down prior to the recent chapters but damn! Tanking a boro’s breathe attack & then enduring death by boiling 😓. I think Kaidou even low key hyped up this man’s durability this chapter lolz.
With regards to the circumstances behind, Oden’s decision to dance to Orochi’s tune for 5 years, I think what Oden did was hella noble. To think he planned to even bear death by boiling without saying a word to anyone about all he’s done for Wano for 5 years even with the Wano folk ridiculing him
. Also I speculated a while back that the 5 year tomfoolery by Oden might have also partly been a self inflicted punishment on himself for leaving Wano but after reading this chapter I’m sure that’s not the case. This chapter kinda drove the point home to me that Oden never regrets any decision he makes so it’d be odd if he actually partly acted a fool to punish himself for abandoning Wano. That said, I do think that the apology to the Kurozumi was legit and that the 5 year punishment was partly self inflicted. Not as atonement for himself tho but as atonement for Wano, particularly those that persecuted the Kurozumi clan. I mean given his character imo, he seems like a character who could decide to bear the sins of his nation all his own.Also with regards to the ships & Kaidou & Orochi leaving, Oden himself has already made it clear that he doesn’t trust Orochi but he had his back to the wall at the time so he didn’t really have a choice I think. I guess you could say he was bit gullible but I think it was more of hope than anything else. Plus, the kidnappings did stop for 5 years so Orochi & Kaidou kept that particular promise (prolly not to provoke Oden till they were strong enough for him) so that could have maybe served as an incentive to Oden believing Kaidou & Orochi would leave Wano in 5 years as promised.
On Shinobu man, she’s really becomimg one of my favorite Wano characters and at this point I see no reason for Oda to have made her look old & chubby in the current timeline. So there has to be a strong reason for it imo. What are the odds tho that she gave up hey beauty in order go under the radar & wait for the Kozuki clans revival
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Also the Oniwaban have pretty cuul designs though and it’d be interesting to see if Fuku sticks with Orochi till the very end as I don’t really get why anyone would really decide to dedicate their services to Orochi after hearing what Shinobu had to say about him but I guess ninja creed could come into play (for example, duty to serve the Shogun) but we’ll see.
Lastly, it as interesting to see Sukiyaki’s old vassal now protecting Oden’s family. What are the odds that it’s actually Higurashi lolz. Its a bit odd that he just suddenly appeared out of nowhere after all this time. I think there’s a high chance he could be the Traitor Kaidou talked about. After the current chapter, I find it hard to believe that any of the scabbards is a Traitor considering said Traitor could’ve been burnt alive but someone defo stabbed Ashura in the back last chapter so it’s odd. Do y’all think mind control could be in play. For example could King potentially be able to use mind control? He is a rare clan after all & they were exterminated so it’d make sense if they were exterminated coz of an ability as dangerous as that.
Chapter itself was good. Oden is a pretty cuul character. Feel Oda is going that extra mile to drive it home that this dude is the epitome of manliness. Swear down I won’t be surprised if he survived the boiling & Kaidou and/or Orochi killed him regardless. Pretty nice reference to Ishikawa Goemom with Oda having Oden carry his vassals whilst he getting boiled. Also I think it’s time we acknowledge that Oden’s body is in the same league as the likes of Lilin lolz. I used to play it down prior to the recent chapters but damn! Tanking a boro’s breathe attack & then enduring death by boiling 😓. I think Kaidou even low key hyped up this man’s durability this chapter lolz.
With regards to the circumstances behind, Oden’s decision to dance to Orochi’s tune for 5 years, I think what Oden did was hella noble. To think he planned to even bear death by boiling without saying a word to anyone about all he’s done for Wano for 5 years even with the Wano folk ridiculing him
. Also I speculated a while back that the 5 year tomfoolery by Oden might have also partly been a self inflicted punishment on himself for leaving Wano but after reading this chapter I’m sure that’s not the case. This chapter kinda drove the point home to me that Oden never regrets any decision he makes so it’d be odd if he actually partly acted a fool to punish himself for abandoning Wano. That said, I do think that the apology to the Kurozumi was legit and that the 5 year punishment was partly self inflicted. Not as atonement for himself tho but as atonement for Wano, particularly those that persecuted the Kurozumi clan. I mean given his character imo, he seems like a character who could decide to bear the sins of his nation all his own.Also with regards to the ships & Kaidou & Orochi leaving, Oden himself has already made it clear that he doesn’t trust Orochi but he had his back to the wall at the time so he didn’t really have a choice I think. I guess you could say he was bit gullible but I think it was more of hope than anything else. Plus, the kidnappings did stop for 5 years so Orochi & Kaidou kept that particular promise (prolly not to provoke Oden till they were strong enough for him) so that could have maybe served as an incentive to Oden believing Kaidou & Orochi would leave Wano in 5 years as promised.On Shinobu man, she’s really becomimg one of my favorite Wano characters and at this point I see no reason for Oda to have made her look old & chubby in the current timeline. So there has to be a strong reason for it imo. What are the odds tho that she gave up hey beauty in order go under the radar & wait for the Kozuki clans revival
.Also the Oniwaban have pretty cuul designs though and it’d be interesting to see if Fuku sticks with Orochi till the very end as I don’t really get why anyone would really decide to dedicate their services to Orochi after hearing what Shinobu had to say about him but I guess ninja creed could come into play (for example, duty to serve the Shogun) but we’ll see.
Lastly, it as interesting to see Sukiyaki’s old vassal now protecting Oden’s family. What are the odds that it’s actually Higurashi lolz. Its a bit odd that he just suddenly appeared out of nowhere after all this time. I think there’s a high chance he could be the Traitor Kaidou talked about. After the current chapter, I find it hard to believe that any of the scabbards is a Traitor considering said Traitor could’ve been burnt alive but someone defo stabbed Ashura in the back last chapter so it’s odd. Do y’all think mind control could be in play. For example could King potentially be able to use mind control? He is a rare clan after all & they were exterminated so it’d make sense if they were exterminated coz of an ability as dangerous as that.
I think Oda just wanted us to "hate" on Oden a little and then make him redeem himself in some heroic way for us to love him again even more but it didn't rly payed off , cuz if u think about it the chapter 970 was called "Lord idiot" and we had the same reaction as Wano's people saying "Oden is an idiot" so if people were/are trashing Oden that was Oda's intention....idk gotta wait till the end of the flashback to judge......
The problem isn´t the day with you describt right, of course in that day when Orochi use the people als Hostage, Oden didn´t have really any choice and need the deal to save these people.
But the most user don´t speak about that event but more about the 5 years overall in whole, you guys didn´t can tell me that Oden didn´t even had the chance to build up a plan together with Hyo who he visited most time, that he didn´t have the chance to build up a plan together with the Daiymos. I mean his plan to kill Kaido wasn´t a bad plan, the current alliance try the same aswell.
He don´t even need Whitebeard/Roger pirates, alone with the power of himself and Hyo+Samurai it would be enough to take out Kaido and his crew. I know Oden didn´t want that people getting killed in this big war, but he didn´t have any other choice to take out Kaido either if he didn´t fight back.
In the end all Daiymos get killed, Hyo wife get killed and many other so much people, wano 20years later is a totally mess up. Oden should think about the consequences if Orochi would still rule over Wano, someone who want everyone in wano to suffer. I doubt that even Oden believe the shitty deal with Kaido and Orochi, someone who try to kill off Momosuke.
He had ways to prevent that, to stop Orochi and Kaido. That is the most point of many user here who criticism the decision of Oden
But I want try to understand the decision of Oden, I want to try to explain why Oden didn´t make a alliance with Hyo and co.
It is simple answer but I think it is overall about Oden pride, he was shown as the Men who handle everything alone, even if he let his retainer to come with him, he most like want to take out anything alone and be honest that is most like the point. He most like feel guilty for everything which happen in wano because he wasn´t their because of his adventure with Whitebeard. I think overall how Oda build up Oden character, that he want to save his country on his own as he feel guilty for all the bad things who happen in Wano because of him. More and more I read about the flashback, that is how Oda build up Oden character, his pride and badass decicion was something which was most fascinating about Oden character but also that is his most like his biggest weakeness in sametime. He didn´t want help from Whitebeard or Roger pirates, he didn´t want Hyo to suffer for all the things who happen because of him, he try to save the country on his own, different then Luffy who fighting together with Wano against Kaido.
Be honest I criticism Oden decision aswell, but if we really look how Oda build up him as character, I finally understand why he don´t make any b plan or try to make a big alliance with Hyo and co, overall because of his Pride. People can hate it or love it how he handle the whole situation, but I think Oda make a great job at least in this one if it comes to Oden character.
Was it dumb how Oden handle? Yes it was most like the worst decision with he take.
Was it lazy write of Oda overall? I don´t think, so if we really look close how Oda build up overall Oden character, we get in his flashback many hints that he was everytime the men who fight alone without the help of the others.
It is his tragic story and the reason why he lose his life in the end.
You see my previous posts that I didn´t like his decision either, but I re-read the flashback and I can at least now understand the point which route Oda choose here, also I don´t think he did this without a plan, since Zou arc the word about the foolish lord was already said, I think he plan this event since the Zou arc.
Overall I still enjoy the flashback and it still at least for me one of the best if not best.
Of course I still have some points which I don´t like about the flashback, as Oda didn´t focus on Toki more(but hey even in that point I think Oda gonna reveal more about Toki in later of the story of Wano, I think we will learn more about Toki later) and the legendary hour which I think he could take more time for this insane event overall. Also probably more focus on the retainers either, but overall it is still a great flashback for me, it was after all Oden´s flashback and his adventure at least his character get a great build up in my opinion.
But the most user don´t speak about that event but more about the 5 years overall in whole, you guys didn´t can tell me that Oden didn´t even had the chance to build up a plan together with Hyo who he visited most time, that he didn´t have the chance to build up a plan together with the Daiymos. I mean his plan to kill Kaido wasn´t a bad plan, the current alliance try the same aswell.
He don´t even need Whitebeard/Roger pirates, alone with the power of himself and Hyo+Samurai it would be enough to take out Kaido and his crew. I know Oden didn´t want that people getting killed in this big war, but he didn´t have any other choice to take out Kaido either if he didn´t fight back.
In the end all Daiymos get killed, Hyo wife get killed and many other so much people, wano 20years later is a totally mess up. Oden should think about the consequences if Orochi would still rule over Wano, someone who want everyone in wano to suffer. I doubt that even Oden believe the shitty deal with Kaido and Orochi, someone who try to kill off Momosuke.
He had ways to prevent that, to stop Orochi and Kaido. That is the most point of many user here who criticism the decision of Oden
But I want try to understand the decision of Oden, I want to try to explain why Oden didn´t make a alliance with Hyo and co.
It is simple answer but I think it is overall about Oden pride, he was shown as the Men who handle everything alone, even if he let his retainer to come with him, he most like want to take out anything alone and be honest that is most like the point. He most like feel guilty for everything which happen in wano because he wasn´t their because of his adventure with Whitebeard. I think overall how Oda build up Oden character, that he want to save his country on his own as he feel guilty for all the bad things who happen in Wano because of him. More and more I read about the flashback, that is how Oda build up Oden character, his pride and badass decicion was something which was most fascinating about Oden character but also that is his most like his biggest weakeness in sametime. He didn´t want help from Whitebeard or Roger pirates, he didn´t want Hyo to suffer for all the things who happen because of him, he try to save the country on his own, different then Luffy who fighting together with Wano against Kaido.
Be honest I criticism Oden decision aswell, but if we really look how Oda build up him as character, I finally understand why he don´t make any b plan or try to make a big alliance with Hyo and co, overall because of his Pride. People can hate it or love it how he handle the whole situation, but I think Oda make a great job at least in this one if it comes to Oden character.
Was it dumb how Oden handle? Yes it was most like the worst decision with he take.
Was it lazy write of Oda overall? I don´t think, so if we really look close how Oda build up overall Oden character, we get in his flashback many hints that he was everytime the men who fight alone without the help of the others.
It is his tragic story and the reason why he lose his life in the end.
You see my previous posts that I didn´t like his decision either, but I re-read the flashback and I can at least now understand the point which route Oda choose here, also I don´t think he did this without a plan, since Zou arc the word about the foolish lord was already said, I think he plan this event since the Zou arc.
Overall I still enjoy the flashback and it still at least for me one of the best if not best.
Of course I still have some points which I don´t like about the flashback, as Oda didn´t focus on Toki more(but hey even in that point I think Oda gonna reveal more about Toki in later of the story of Wano, I think we will learn more about Toki later) and the legendary hour which I think he could take more time for this insane event overall. Also probably more focus on the retainers either, but overall it is still a great flashback for me, it was after all Oden´s flashback and his adventure at least his character get a great build up in my opinion.
Answer me this!
Does Oden have a debt to these people? and he needs to repay it by fighting kaido?
Just like sheep, all of those people followed Kaido and Orochi's orders. They are not opposing to actually make me say "well, Oden abandoned them during a big fight"
Even if they do not know about the hostages. Even if there was no hostage and Oden danced and obeyed Kaido. Oden does not owe those people a single thing to actually make them this inhumane and actually give comments like "I wanted to hear more screams"
Dude, those people have no single humanity in them, if you see a stranger, and being executed, EVEN for crimes. Sometimes you feel empathy. Those people knew Oden. And despite the fact that Oden did not hurt them. He never killed a civilian. It doesn't matter if they know the truth of his dances or not.
Saying that they want him to "scream louder" and saying "they want him to die already"
They are worse than Hody jones. And Orochi should burn them ALL.
Where is that Game of Thrones meme "Burn them all" hahahaha
Does Oden have a debt to these people? and he needs to repay it by fighting kaido?
Just like sheep, all of those people followed Kaido and Orochi's orders. They are not opposing to actually make me say "well, Oden abandoned them during a big fight"
Even if they do not know about the hostages. Even if there was no hostage and Oden danced and obeyed Kaido. Oden does not owe those people a single thing to actually make them this inhumane and actually give comments like "I wanted to hear more screams"
Dude, those people have no single humanity in them, if you see a stranger, and being executed, EVEN for crimes. Sometimes you feel empathy. Those people knew Oden. And despite the fact that Oden did not hurt them. He never killed a civilian. It doesn't matter if they know the truth of his dances or not.
Saying that they want him to "scream louder" and saying "they want him to die already"
They are worse than Hody jones. And Orochi should burn them ALL.
Where is that Game of Thrones meme "Burn them all" hahahaha
No, it's not Oden's responsibility. He doesn't owe them anything.
They put that burden on him when he had no interest in becoming a ruler "as stated by him"
They all deserve to burn/boiled, as simple as that.
Cause it's one thing to have someone say "He disappointed us". When he doesn't owe them a damn thing.
But it's entirely different matter for them to want to hear Oden's screams and agony and enjoy it.
They are worse than scum. End of story. And Orochi did nothing wrong to them. They all need to be boiled alive. And I will enjoy every second of every civilian of Wano being enslaved and being killed during that war, cause they deserve it
They put that burden on him when he had no interest in becoming a ruler "as stated by him"
They all deserve to burn/boiled, as simple as that.
Cause it's one thing to have someone say "He disappointed us". When he doesn't owe them a damn thing.
But it's entirely different matter for them to want to hear Oden's screams and agony and enjoy it.
They are worse than scum. End of story. And Orochi did nothing wrong to them. They all need to be boiled alive. And I will enjoy every second of every civilian of Wano being enslaved and being killed during that war, cause they deserve it
But that's the brilliant part of it: Oda is totally consistent in writing Oden as a character.
People who are currently whining and trying to trash Oden simply don't understand his character.
He is a man amongst man, yes, but his downfall has always been that he does everything alone. Heck, he didn't even tell anyone else why exactly he was dancing for five years.
Maybe Hyo would've indeed come up with a great plan, if Oden told him everything, but that's just not Oden's character.
People who are currently whining and trying to trash Oden simply don't understand his character.
He is a man amongst man, yes, but his downfall has always been that he does everything alone. Heck, he didn't even tell anyone else why exactly he was dancing for five years.
Maybe Hyo would've indeed come up with a great plan, if Oden told him everything, but that's just not Oden's character.
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