Current Events The Real Reason WHY Wano´s arc is so hated

[Gear]

I see more and more people saying that the Wano arc is boring, that Oda is a terrible writer and even that One Piece is now Fairy Tail level. Well, the Wano arc is the first arc I follow weekly, so I don't know what the discussions were like at the time of WCI and Dressrosa, but I have an opinion as to why the Wano arc is being so hated.
The reason the Wano arc is hated is because it's the boldest arc in One Piece. But why the boldest? Because it is the arc that Oda had the most to develop the power level of several characters, the arc that has the most characters to be developed, and above all it is the arc that has the most responsibility to dictate the direction of future events and establish the fate of characters in the series.
Just imagine creating an arc where:
- need to develop the main character of the arc (Zoro)
- needs to develop Wano's country and arc characters
- need to develop the antagonist and his motivations
- need to develop the Beast Pirates, and their power level (especially King and Queen)
- needs to introduce and develop a new and potentially future character straw hat member(Yamato)
- need to develop the scabbards plot
- need to develop Supernovas
- need to develop the role of CP0 and WG in the arc
- need to develop a power up from Luffy to beat Kaido
- need to develop a power up for Kid and Law to beat Big Mom
- need to develop the power ups of the Straw Hats
- need to develop the Straw Hats fights
- need to develop the Supernovas fights
- need to develop Zoro and Sanji's fights (which are the main ones after Luffy)
- need to continue Sanji's storyline with Germa 66
- need to develop Kaido and Big Mom's power level
- need to decide the fate of the two Yonkous in the series
- need to balance the power level of the characters in the arc

Has so many Fucking things. So it's kind of to be expected that an arc, where Oda needs to develop so many plots and sub plots, juggling to work the power level of so many characters is hated, often leaving characters like Usopp and Brook aside, leaving doubts about about the strength of characters like: Why Big Mom doesn't use ACoC against Law and Kid, or if drunk Kaido is a character nerf. Maybe because Wano's arc is so full of stuff, it makes people think that Wano's arc is a disasterclass.
This is my thought , Now for you, what is the reason that Wano is so hated?

 

[kenedyfake]

Mediocre fights, King's adv Haki ( the ultimate asspull ), and irrelevant character plots.

 

[Gear]

and irrelevant character plots

Good point

 

[SkySanji]

Any arc centered around Zoro is bound to be bad

It's telling that even here at WorstGen where it's dominated by sword swallowers that the general consensus is Wano is a bad arc

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

Too much offscreen fights

 

[Camie]

Wano arc isnt so hated by the majority. There are a good amount of people outside of here that like the arc. Im talking about content creators and fans in general. Also I noticed people on social media like Jay D Legend claiming its the most controversial arc. I guess you could say that since I see its pretty much split between everyone. However this type of complaining happened in Dressrosa and WCI. Hell even people that were reading One Piece since Marineford and Fishmen Island were complaining too. Guarantee in 5 years a lot will look back at Wano as a whole and say it was a lot better than they had thought.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

There’s too much to do and most of the plot lines are done poorly because Oda decided to build more instead of finishing established story lines.

 

[dirtyLarry]

First off: It's not really hated by the majority. Most actually love it, nearly every poll shows that.

The thing why most people on here don't like it is because they see it through the eyes of a critic, not a fan.

If you look at is this way there really are many points you can criticize.

Just two examples (there are more) :

1) The lack of any tension. It's supposed to be an all-out war, but there is no threat of anyone actually being in real danger. Kinemon and Kiku came back, Orochi came back... everything as usual.

2) Pacing. We're 130+ chapters into the Wano arc (4 years) . Already 60+ chapters into the Onigashima raid (2 years). It's too long for most weekly readers. People lose interest if sth takes that long.

If you don't expect more from OP than it actually is (a mere weekly shonen manga with quite a few storywriting flaws), it's solid on re-read.

 

[Kuroh]

I think people are always upset about ongoing arcs mostly because they can't read it all at once and see the whole picture. I am enjoying Wano arc a lot. People will complain in the same way in the future. And whenever One Piece ends, they will say that it was rushed and that the ending sucked mostly because Oda will do something different from what people theorized.

Also, people in the community need to stop comparing characters powers.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

This is supposed to be a war, yet there are no deaths.

 

[ako]

I wouldnt call it hate but considering the massive hype that was revolving around this arc beforehand it has been pretty average so far. Its too long, too many average or off screen fights, too much Oden wank and a lack of tension.

 

[Gear]

I think I didn't clarify one thing. I know Wano isn't hated by most of the fandom, I'm really enjoying this arc myself. The reason I created this thread is that I see more and more threads on this forum saying that Oda is a bad writer or that Wano is an abyssm, even more so after chapter 1038

 

[Herrera95]

- need to develop the main character of the arc (Zoro)
Few panels of development before raid and only 2 fighting chapters to it 1033 and 1035.
- needs to develop Wano's country and arc characters
Pretty much failed on those. No one cares about Wano characters. He made Orochi into a joke, Scabbards fights were completely shits and full of fake deaths/hype. The country itself I guess he did decent, although many things he didn't used like Kairoseki and blades.
- need to develop the antagonist and his motivations
King, Orochi and Kanjuro only. Actually not even King is clear about his motivations. Queen is clear about his motivations but lacks development since we don't have his backstory.
- need to develop the Beast Pirates, and their power level (especially King and Queen)
He also failled to do that since we have Luffy using G3 on a fodder early on and then Izou having trouble with fodders later on. Tobiroppo fake hype, Jack was a bit better this arc but still lack development and Queen is hard to be scalled since we only saw him fighting Chopper, Sanji and Marco. We don't know how strong Sanji became after power up, how strong was he compared to Marco or Chopper to say Queen was strong or not. King was pretty well scaled since we can compare Zoro fighting him with Zoro fighting Kaido.
- needs to introduce and develop a new and potentially future character straw hat member(Yamato)
Needs? He chose to. For what purpose? Another Luffy cheerleader? Garbage character. Things around Yamato doesn't even make sense. She says one thing and does another.
- need to develop the scabbards plot
Also, kind of failed. The plot was made but... remember when they knew Momonosuke got arrested and forget about him to fight Kaido? What about Raizo vs Fukurokujo plot that wasn't developed?
- need to develop Supernovas
Needed and didn't. Only X-Drake had a little bit of development and of course Luffy and Zoro. Law didn't, Kid didn't, Killer didn't, Apoo had a bit I guess and Hawkins had the worst development if we can call that development.
- need to develop the role of CP0 and WG in the arc
Develop the role of CP-0 and WG? What role? Kidnapping Robin? When he did? CP-0 was being developed to take a part on war after battles were settled, never said about Robin until they came in action by Rob Lucci call.
- need to develop a power up from Luffy to beat Kaido
Which he failled terrible with ACoC. He did decent job with ACoA but then with ACoC he just threw what he had already stablished about haki specially advanced types. Haki blooms on extreme situations. Okay, but never blooms when you got knock out. At least never happened before and anyone else if not the MC.
- need to develop a power up for Kid and Law to beat Big Mom
Develop? When he did? He just went straight and said they had awakening. This is not development. We don't know when they get it, how they get it.
- need to develop the power ups of the Straw Hats
Only Zoro, Sanji and Luffy had developments. All others just had power ups and that's it. Nami had a power down actually.
- need to develop the Straw Hats fights
No development at all. Even Jinbei didn't had backstory for his fight. Who's Who knew him by name only. They never met.
- need to develop the Supernovas fights
Again, only Luffy, Zoro and now Killer had development. Law and Kid fighting BM makes no sense.
- need to develop Zoro and Sanji's fights (which are the main ones after Luffy)
Sanji's fight development was shit. Killed his character development since beginning. His mother sacrifice, he thinking that he hitted a woman and at the end he lost his power up that should be a permanent thing on him.
- need to continue Sanji's storyline with Germa 66
I really don't know how to interpret that.
- need to develop Kaido and Big Mom's power level
Develop? Oda is doing a bunch of crazy things without explanation. First we learn that some kind of attacks shouldn't work on them. Later on those attacks are working somehow. Oda made people much weaker like all Scabbards look stronger than early Wano G4 Luffy. He made Law "haki" stones stronger than G4 attacks.
- need to decide the fate of the two Yonkous in the series
This is still on going.
- need to balance the power level of the characters in the arc
This arc was everything but balance. I don't know what you mean by balance but Luffy and Zoro are now at Yonko league along with Yamato. All the others are way below them.

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I think I didn't clarify one thing. I know Wano isn't hated by most of the fandom, I'm really enjoying this arc myself. The reason I created this thread is that I see more and more threads on this forum saying that Oda is a bad writer or that Wano is an abyssm, even more so after chapter 1038

If you wanna truly defend Wano youo should compare it t other arcs and try to milk something of it.

Even WCI which used to be the worst arc before Wano teaches a lesson on how to write a story to Wano arc. Wano arc only saves by Oden's flashback. Removes it and is not even worth reading to talk bad about it.

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I think people are always upset about ongoing arcs mostly because they can't read it all at once and see the whole picture. I am enjoying Wano arc a lot. People will complain in the same way in the future. And whenever One Piece ends, they will say that it was rushed and that the ending sucked mostly because Oda will do something different from what people theorized.

Also, people in the community need to stop comparing characters powers.

That's is bullshit lie often spread through community to defend the current arc.

I'm following One Piece week by week since Punk Hazard begins on anime and just started manga on Covid-19 at middle 2020. I follow manga since Onigashima raid started.

Had no complain about the work, even the pacing, until WCI ended in that terrible way. That's exacty the moment I started to see many flaws on One Piece. But I didn't hated Wano arc until Onigashima raid started and Oda drew Luffy getting knocked out by Apoe early on.

 

[The White Crane]

I see more and more people saying that the Wano arc is boring, that Oda is a terrible writer and even that One Piece is now Fairy Tail level. Well, the Wano arc is the first arc I follow weekly, so I don't know what the discussions were like at the time of WCI and Dressrosa, but I have an opinion as to why the Wano arc is being so hated.
The reason the Wano arc is hated is because it's the boldest arc in One Piece. But why the boldest? Because it is the arc that Oda had the most to develop the power level of several characters, the arc that has the most characters to be developed, and above all it is the arc that has the most responsibility to dictate the direction of future events and establish the fate of characters in the series.
Just imagine creating an arc where:
- need to develop the main character of the arc (Zoro)
- needs to develop Wano's country and arc characters
- need to develop the antagonist and his motivations
- need to develop the Beast Pirates, and their power level (especially King and Queen)
- needs to introduce and develop a new and potentially future character straw hat member(Yamato)
- need to develop the scabbards plot
- need to develop Supernovas
- need to develop the role of CP0 and WG in the arc
- need to develop a power up from Luffy to beat Kaido
- need to develop a power up for Kid and Law to beat Big Mom
- need to develop the power ups of the Straw Hats
- need to develop the Straw Hats fights
- need to develop the Supernovas fights
- need to develop Zoro and Sanji's fights (which are the main ones after Luffy)
- need to continue Sanji's storyline with Germa 66
- need to develop Kaido and Big Mom's power level
- need to decide the fate of the two Yonkous in the series
- need to balance the power level of the characters in the arc

Has so many Fucking things. So it's kind of to be expected that an arc, where Oda needs to develop so many plots and sub plots, juggling to work the power level of so many characters is hated, often leaving characters like Usopp and Brook aside, leaving doubts about about the strength of characters like: Why Big Mom doesn't use ACoC against Law and Kid, or if drunk Kaido is a character nerf. Maybe because Wano's arc is so full of stuff, it makes people think that Wano's arc is a disasterclass.
This is my thought , Now for you, what is the reason that Wano is so hated?

- Sidelining Beast Pirates and nearly half of the SHs for the sake of highlighting uninteresting Wanonese

- No prominent casualties

- Otameh and Momoron

- Sidelining Big Mom pirates for who knows why

- Not giving Cook, Law, Kidd, and Killer proper feats before the Raid to make their power level believable

 

[Sanji D Cook]

The Beast pirates just don't feel like a legitimate threat. The Big Mom pirates felt like a threat. The Beast pirates has a bunch of weird looking zoan users. And on top of that, a little girl has a devil fruit power to can control zoan users making what so call threat the Beast pirates had nonexistence.

The Tobbi Roppo was introduce and you would think they would give the Straw Hats not named the M3 1 v1 fights. We were denied a Nami and Usopp fight. Oda gives us a Raizo and Fukurokuju fight which no one cares about, but could not give us Nami v Ulti and Usopp v Page One????

The Raid was suppose to be the pay off but it feels like a drag with a bunch of misses.

 

[The White Crane]

Any arc centered around Zoro is bound to be bad

It's telling that even here at WorstGen where it's dominated by sword swallowers that the general consensus is Wano is a bad arc

So, Zoro has the most panels in the arc? Naruhodone.

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Wano arc isnt so hated by the majority. There are a good amount of people outside of here that like the arc. Im talking about content creators and fans in general. Also I noticed people on social media like Jay D Legend claiming its the most controversial arc. I guess you could say that since I see its pretty much split between everyone. However this type of complaining happened in Dressrosa and WCI. Hell even people that were reading One Piece since Marineford and Fishmen Island were complaining too. Guarantee in 5 years a lot will look back at Wano as a whole and say it was a lot better than they had thought.

Out of curiosity, what will be the excuse for Wano in 5 years?

 

[Lifeismeh]

I think so far the content is just not that interesting that's all

Wano plot is so basic,the dialogue mostly have been kinda cliche and uninspired,most characters have nothing interesting going for them, even the ones we already met and loved like Marco are treated in a boring way

But I have high expectations that people will be very pleased with Wano ending, Oda is still holding off the good stuff

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

As a long time week to week reader, it's the same song and dance every arc.

*Arc starts*

Fandom: Man this so so cool, this is going to be the best arc.

*Halfway through the arc*

Fandom: Man when are we going to get to the end of the arc already.

*Towards the end of the arc*

Fandom: God this arc is terrible. *Proceeds to rattle off x,y and z reasons*

*Arc concludes and next arc is well under way*

Fandom: "You know, I actually went back and read *previous arc* in one go, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it was.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[nik87]

I am loving this arc. So much Zoro in it.
And he delivers at every step.
I understand why other fandoms are hating it tho. :yasu:

 

[Finalbeta]

What I disliked was the unnecessary amount of secondary stuff over compelling flashbacks rich of juicy infos or more focus on important fights. The lenght of the arc is also far from optimal.