General & Others Long Time One Piece Readers: Has the One Piece fandom ever been this much in shambles?
I remember most people complaining about the design of G4 but the vast majority of people already were predicting G4 and already knew it was going to be a muscle enhancement where Luffy enhances his muscles so it didn't bother them because it was already obvious what it was going to be. I didn't mean to imply there weren't any criticisms back then because there definitely was but what I am saying is the criticisms now are much much greater than it ever has been. Go to reddit right now which is the biggest Oda simp place and scroll through the controversial tab and look at how many upvotes those controversial comments have, you rarely ever seen this from reddit usually those comments are buried in downvotes.
i've been on foruns talking about OP since 2009, and in my opnion the community have become much more retarded since 2015/16 with the big boom of social media and the new wave of fans that behave like k-pop stans and can only talk about "fandom A" vs "fandom B".
Before the majority of talk was theories and things like that, but since Naruto, Bleach and Fairy Tail ended there was a big influx of new readers that crave for the same thing those communities talked about, like shipping, powerscaling and those kind of shit, and with the addition of twitter, reddit and an expecially the deeply retarded youtube chanels about OP, we couldnt expected anything different.
Of course there was complaining about Punk hazard bad paneling, Dressrosa having bad pace and being full of characters no one cares, but wasnt on the lvl that is today where every week there thousands of posts on how OP is the worst thing even and "fandom A guys" being toxic with "fandom B guys" without adding anything to the discussion about the story.
Before the majority of talk was theories and things like that, but since Naruto, Bleach and Fairy Tail ended there was a big influx of new readers that crave for the same thing those communities talked about, like shipping, powerscaling and those kind of shit, and with the addition of twitter, reddit and an expecially the deeply retarded youtube chanels about OP, we couldnt expected anything different.
Of course there was complaining about Punk hazard bad paneling, Dressrosa having bad pace and being full of characters no one cares, but wasnt on the lvl that is today where every week there thousands of posts on how OP is the worst thing even and "fandom A guys" being toxic with "fandom B guys" without adding anything to the discussion about the story.
I dunno , I know one piece as 4kids tv . Beside on 2007 , I look up one piece episode on Wikipedia and it is like over 300 episode. But I never took one piece interest very much cause I am busy other stuff.
I started reading one piece manga on 2016 on zing box app (this app is gone forever).
‘I love doflamingo arc very much and It my second favorite arc . But other forums show people hate doflimingo arc. Doflamingo arc show as doflimingo as great final boss to luffy.
That is my opinion. If people hate doflimingo arc, I say ok That your opinion and move on something else.
I started reading one piece manga on 2016 on zing box app (this app is gone forever).
‘I love doflamingo arc very much and It my second favorite arc . But other forums show people hate doflimingo arc. Doflamingo arc show as doflimingo as great final boss to luffy.
That is my opinion. If people hate doflimingo arc, I say ok That your opinion and move on something else.
One Piece has been extremely consistent with the way it tells its storylines and if you were on AP, you'd know the same complaints existed even around Enies Lobby ("too much fodder action", "too much focus on luffy", "no stakes!"). The difference is, there has been a massive shift in the way complaints are accepted in manga forums and the fact that One Piece is now an "old guard" manga and no longer viewed as underrated of the Big 3.
No longer is it accepted to like something but also criticize it. Now you are either for or against One Piece. You are here to bitch weekly or are considered a shill. There is no longer a middle ground to stand on.
And i think mainly this stems from expectations in manga in general these days. Everything must have tension. Everything must have consequences. Shonen aimed at 12-15 year-olds must have peak writing. And a lot of this is formed by the new ground manga in general has broken.
Back in the day mangas like Dragon Ball had deus ex machina's (i.e. dragon balls) that could allow Toriyama to kill off characters and still revive them, or undo certain things that could leave lasting consequences.
Then One Piece came a long and barely involved death as a consequence, but when it happens its final. Then Naruto and Bleach came along and barely did it either, until Naruto started killing off main or big characters (3rd Hokage, Jiraiya, Neji, etc) or Bleach sort of doing the same thing. And these are just M3 examples. There are tons of shonen manga that started doing this. The difference is OP does it far less and always has.
So now the expectation for One Piece has changed. Other manga do it, but it continues to not do so out of very few instances far in between. So people become bitter and have been for years.
Tbh, I don't read other manga. Ive only read the M3, Dragon ball and Berserk. I have no desire to nor do I care. So my views on OP are very different from most people. I love it and always will. Do I think its perfect? Of course not. Do I think it satisfying weekly? For the most part yes. Do I get what I want out of it? Yes.
No longer is it accepted to like something but also criticize it. Now you are either for or against One Piece. You are here to bitch weekly or are considered a shill. There is no longer a middle ground to stand on.
And i think mainly this stems from expectations in manga in general these days. Everything must have tension. Everything must have consequences. Shonen aimed at 12-15 year-olds must have peak writing. And a lot of this is formed by the new ground manga in general has broken.
Back in the day mangas like Dragon Ball had deus ex machina's (i.e. dragon balls) that could allow Toriyama to kill off characters and still revive them, or undo certain things that could leave lasting consequences.
Then One Piece came a long and barely involved death as a consequence, but when it happens its final. Then Naruto and Bleach came along and barely did it either, until Naruto started killing off main or big characters (3rd Hokage, Jiraiya, Neji, etc) or Bleach sort of doing the same thing. And these are just M3 examples. There are tons of shonen manga that started doing this. The difference is OP does it far less and always has.
So now the expectation for One Piece has changed. Other manga do it, but it continues to not do so out of very few instances far in between. So people become bitter and have been for years.
Tbh, I don't read other manga. Ive only read the M3, Dragon ball and Berserk. I have no desire to nor do I care. So my views on OP are very different from most people. I love it and always will. Do I think its perfect? Of course not. Do I think it satisfying weekly? For the most part yes. Do I get what I want out of it? Yes.
I didn't say One Piece is not consistent. One Piece has had the same formula cut and paste since the beginning. The issue is that from that formula Oda uses he takes everything the fandom dislikes and multiplies it during WCI and Wano. Wano is a combination of Ennies Lobby and Dressrosa. All the bad things about Ennies Lobby and Dressrosa are in WAno but multiplied. That is what is wrong. So yes One Piece has been very consistent but is not why people hate Wano now.
The alliance is going up against Two YOnkos so yes of course there should be tension. This fight between Yonkos have been easier than fighting Hody Jones, Doflaimgo and Katakuri.
The alliance is going up against Two YOnkos so yes of course there should be tension. This fight between Yonkos have been easier than fighting Hody Jones, Doflaimgo and Katakuri.
I don't agree with your last point lol. The fights are way longer and drawn out (the raid is 60 chapters of pure fighting). People are hurt more than they were in other arcs. The "difficulty" is there. Kaido has gone through like 16 different people. What you are expecting is "tension", which is not the same and frankly OP hasn't really had any nor does it try to.
What One Piece does is sometimes rip the rug out from under you when you least expect it. I.e. Ace's death. Other than that, Marineford really didn't have tension. Nobody died but fodder save for him and WB. Kizaru didn't shoot Luffy, he shot the key. Garp let Luffy win (in a great segment). Sengoku did nothing really. This is the same as before and currently the same.
What One Piece does is sometimes rip the rug out from under you when you least expect it. I.e. Ace's death. Other than that, Marineford really didn't have tension. Nobody died but fodder save for him and WB. Kizaru didn't shoot Luffy, he shot the key. Garp let Luffy win (in a great segment). Sengoku did nothing really. This is the same as before and currently the same.
It depends where you're looking, imo. Worstgen has less strict moderation compared to Orojackson, for example, and a lot of OJ carry overs are here. Some of them feel they can be more "open" about their criticisms or negative feelings about the series, ones they've always had, possibly. This can lead to more "passionate" disagreements because parties feel they can get away with it more often.
Just because it is longer doesn't make it have tension. If your idea of tension is to make things as long as possible then that is the exact the reason why people don't like Wano.
People are not hurt. Usopp and Nami taking haki level head butts by Ulti are now walking around as if nothing happened to them. Franky is now chilling after fighting a Tobi Robbo. Sanji about to be chilling soon in a couple of chapters. And it doesn't matter if Kaido went through 16 or even 100,000 people. He is a Yonko. Those 16 people barely did any damage to Kaido other than a few scratches except for Zoro and now Luffy. Scabbards did nothing to KAido, he was drinking his alcohol and chilling after defeating him. Kidd did nothing to Kaido. Law scatched Kaido with his gamma knife. Killer did nothing to Kaido.
Whitebeard had half his face melted off and still was kicking it fighting with Black Beard and Akainu. This is a walk in the park for the straw hats compared to sabaody archipelago and Marine Ford and Thriller Park. And against not one but two Yonkos.
People are not hurt. Usopp and Nami taking haki level head butts by Ulti are now walking around as if nothing happened to them. Franky is now chilling after fighting a Tobi Robbo. Sanji about to be chilling soon in a couple of chapters. And it doesn't matter if Kaido went through 16 or even 100,000 people. He is a Yonko. Those 16 people barely did any damage to Kaido other than a few scratches except for Zoro and now Luffy. Scabbards did nothing to KAido, he was drinking his alcohol and chilling after defeating him. Kidd did nothing to Kaido. Law scatched Kaido with his gamma knife. Killer did nothing to Kaido.
Whitebeard had half his face melted off and still was kicking it fighting with Black Beard and Akainu. This is a walk in the park for the straw hats compared to sabaody archipelago and Marine Ford and Thriller Park. And against not one but two Yonkos.
You didn't read my post. I said it doesn't have tension nor does OP try to have tension. I was talking about your "difficulty" comment and how that's not true this arc. It is far more difficult to beat the majn opponents this arc. It lacks tension because OP has never really tried to have tension
And Usopp was walking around after getting wrecked by Jabra. And Sanji and Zoro walked away after their Enies Lobby fights, yet here are on the ground and immobile.
I'm not sure I get your point. The fights in Wano for the M3 has been the hardest they've ever been.
And Usopp was walking around after getting wrecked by Jabra. And Sanji and Zoro walked away after their Enies Lobby fights, yet here are on the ground and immobile.
I'm not sure I get your point. The fights in Wano for the M3 has been the hardest they've ever been.
Like I said, stop strawmanning my comment to solely discuss enies lobby, that's not what I was even talking about, but even there it has had similar complaints. Alabasta, Skypiea, Thriller Bark, etc also did not have these moments and most of one piece does not. You can count major deaths in OP on one hand.
Point is that back then going against the WG was basically the biggest threat the SH had gone up against at the time, yet no one from the Franky family or the carpenters died even in the face of a buster call. In fact they all even had the classic Oda death fakeout.
I'm not saying this is bad but it shows you that even what's considered peak OP has a lot of the annoyances fans still have to this day.
I'm not saying this is bad but it shows you that even what's considered peak OP has a lot of the annoyances fans still have to this day.
OP does not try to have tension? So when Whitebeard and Ace died that didn't try to have tension? Or when the Strawhats were beat by Kuma pacifistas forcing them to all be split up? What about when Blackbeard got a second devil fruit, that wasn't tension? Or when Robin was captured by the World Government, that wasn't tension?
And you are comparing Usopp skirmish with Jabra with how Usopp and Nami tanked haki level head butt from Ulti? You are comparing apples with oranges.
And you are comparing Usopp skirmish with Jabra with how Usopp and Nami tanked haki level head butt from Ulti? You are comparing apples with oranges.