Character Discussion How Trafalgar D. Water Law has impacted the story negatively.

#21
Chopper wants to cure every disease, not be the best surgeon, or best doctor ever in every aspect.
I don't know why people project Zoro's Dream on the other Strawhats

Chopper doesn't wanna be the best Doctor, Nami doesn't wanna be the best navigator, Sanji may never surpass Zeff as a cook, Franky might still be behind his Big Brother as a Ship maker, Brook doesn't wanna be the best musician.
 
#22
Before i start my critique I want to say that I do nit really hate law. If I am saying that I am baiting. Law is a cool character and got cool powers. However Law has done more bad than good to the story and I will briefly explain why.

This story was about people realising their dreams and the nakama helping luffy to become pirate king and find the one piece. However Law is the main enemy of this theme.

Law's addition has made other characters flat out useless or unneccessary in particular law has damaged 4 crew members: Zoro, Robin, Chopper and Sanji.

Zoro - How come in an arc where it is about swordsmanship law lectures someone in wano about swordsmanship and Zoto does not do such things? There are countless threads where I have explained how zoro is a garbage swordsman and this seems to add on.

Chopper - Law has a fruit that can easily make you the best doctor. We still do not know what requirement does one nees to have to be the greatest doctor but even if so CHOPPER IS HARMED BY IT. What is the point adding someone who is vastly better at healing than someone who wants to heal every disease. What is worse is that chopper does not get inspired or tries to learn from other doctors or has a rivalry with law about being a doctor.

Sanji - Sanji has been a complete gag post timeskip. Sanji was the tactician of the strawhats now law is. With law being the tactician sanji is left with being just a gaggly pervert who fights gag second commanders.

Robin - law wanted to learn about world history and was seen checking poneglyphs...okay? But to our knowledge only 10 people can go there. Would law have to go in the place of onw strawhat?

Law is cool and all but I hate how evert strawhat is reactive to him. Oda is mistreating the strawhats and it is not fair.
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#23
I don't know why people project Zoro's Dream on the other Strawhats

Chopper doesn't wanna be the best Doctor, Nami doesn't wanna be the best navigator, Sanji may never surpass Zeff as a cook, Franky might still be behind his Big Brother as a Ship maker, Brook doesn't wanna be the best musician.
Because they have in their mind "every strawhats wants to be best in their field" and then argue from there, despite often times there is no tangible way to assess that in the first place.
Strawhats are special in their field from the get-go, and nothing says they will somehow become the best.

If Law could actually cure all diseases, they might have a point though, but so far nothing suggests Law is special beyond surgery at which he is the best but even then, the other Strawhats dream of accomplishing something someone already has done.
Franky´s literal dream is to do something his teacher already did, make a ship that can travel or has traveled even to the most dangerous and remote places.
Luffy´s dream is something Roger has already accomplished, Robin won´t be the first to learn about the history after 800 years and so forth, so neither first nor best. As far as we know, the Oro Jackson navigator has a map of the entire world, Brook´s dream is very personal but nothing grand...

Edit: With that train of thought, Sanji´s dream might actually be the only one nobody else has achieved in the last 8 centuries if the All Blue is really born out of the destruction of the Red Line.
 
#24


It is funny how law did not say he was a surgeon knowing that he studied medicine all his life because his father was a doctor. Law undermines chopper and it is clear. You are insulting chopper by saying should not have any doctor contemporaries or rivala he can learn from.

As far as zoro goes i am too lazy to get the panel in wano. It happened and law has talked more about swordsmanship in a meaningful way than Roronoa Garbage Zoro. Zoro is a garbage swordsman so i do not know why I am even bothering with him.

As far as sanji goes law saying the strawhats are miracle workers or being amazed at sanjis germa suit means nothing. The reader gets impacted by achievements and overall it was laws idea to challenge the yonko. Overrall it wqs laws plan and overall law gave the biggest contributions. It does not help how pathetic king or queen were considering queen felt like the most major plot induced stupidity and king was a shallow swordsman.

As far as robin goes law is a D and he wants to learn about the void century. Ds are held at a higher regard by the story because they seem to be the natural enemies of the celestial dragons. It is bad enough that luffy has to tag along with momo but law too in expense of robin?
 
#25
Yeah I honestly have no idea where this Sanji being a great tactician came from, and to even compare Law's strategy from Punk Hazard through Wano to Sanji, who's never had any great plans to mention, is a complete joke.

Sanji's job has never been to come up with strategy plans. His stuff in Alabasta was luck and wasn't planned far ahead by him, and he hindered Robin's rescue as much as he contributed towards it. And WCI completely removed Sanji's credibility as a strategist when he proved he can't see the consequences of his actions more than 2 feet in front of him.

Everybody loves to remember Sanji's Mr Prince moment in Alabasta but they forget that it was Zoro alone who came up with the 'X's on everyone's forearm after first seeing Bon Clay's ability. This saved Vivi from being captured and is an iconic part of the story, not to mention proves that Zoro's more than capable of quickly drumming up strategies by thinking far ahead. No one call's him a tactical genius though.
 
#26
Yeah I honestly have no idea where this Sanji being a great tactician came from, and to even compare Law's strategy from Punk Hazard through Wano to Sanji, who's never had any great plans to mention, is a complete joke.

Sanji's job has never been to come up with strategy plans. His stuff in Alabasta was luck and wasn't planned far ahead by him, and he hindered Robin's rescue as much as he contributed towards it. And WCI completely removed Sanji's credibility as a strategist when he proved he can't see the consequences of his actions more than 2 feet in front of him.

Everybody loves to remember Sanji's Mr Prince moment in Alabasta but they forget that it was Zoro alone who came up with the 'X's on everyone's forearm after first seeing Bon Clay's ability. This saved Vivi from being captured and is an iconic part of the story, not to mention proves that Zoro's more than capable of quickly drumming up strategies by thinking far ahead. No one call's him a tactical genius though.
Seriously you need to reread water 7 - enies lobby
 
#28
again, not a battle general like Law
Again im not going to post every panel from enies lobby. Sanji orchestrated the strawhats rescue from crocodile with chopper. Just come out and say you are a delusional zorotard like the rest of these guys.
 
#29
Seriously you need to reread water 7 - enies lobby
Shame WCI removed all of that. Face it, Sanji was never meant to be anything exceptional as a strategist. I'd suggest you re-read alabasta, any character can have moments like these, doesn't cement them as a strategist.

Difference between Sanji and Law (or even Zoro) is that Sanji does things independently, he doesn't command others so Law's stepping on nothing. Not to mention the fact that Sanji's a dumbass or smart depending on Oda's whim
 
#31
Shame WCI removed all of that. Face it, Sanji was never meant to be anything exceptional as a strategist. I'd suggest you re-read alabasta, any character can have moments like these, doesn't cement them as a strategist.

Difference between Sanji and Law (or even Zoro) is that Sanji does things independently, he doesn't command others so Law's stepping on nothing. Not to mention the fact that Sanji's a dumbass or smart depending on Oda's whim
This is almost as bad as law is a surgeon but not a doctor argument.

Sanji was the one to motivate sogeking to save robin.

It is not my fault oda has retarded the crew to being gags and not characters.
 
#32
This is almost as bad as law is a surgeon but not a doctor argument.

Sanji was the one to motivate sogeking to save robin.

It is not my fault oda has retarded the crew to being gags and not characters.
It's odd to see you judge a character on their best quality instead of their worst qualities. Motivation doesn't make you a tactician, and it isn't what Law does at all. You're just grasping at straws to defend Sanji's contributions at this point, your original argument fell apart.
 
#33
It's odd to see you judge a character on their best quality instead of their worst qualities. Motivation doesn't make you a tactician, and it isn't what Law does at all. You're just grasping at straws to defend Sanji's contributions at this point, your original argument fell apart.
Sanji does not need to order someone to follow his order but motivate them which is another quality of the leadership. When luffy was out sanji became the captain and lead them. Now tell me more how sanji is not a strategist and a tactician with all the countless examples there are in the story.

Just admit that you are a hateful zorotard who only waits for oda to have zoro beat someone because otherwise zoro is a failure of a character. He is 1 dimensional and boring like the rest of you zorotards
 
#34
Sanji does not need to order someone to follow his order but motivate them which is another quality of the leadership. When luffy was out sanji became the captain and lead them. Now tell me more how sanji is not a strategist and a tactician with all the countless examples there are in the story.

Just admit that you are a hateful zorotard who only waits for oda to have zoro beat someone because otherwise zoro is a failure of a character. He is 1 dimensional and boring like the rest of you zorotards
Like I said, your argument has fallen apart so you're mad. Sanji can't lead huge groups in campaigns to take on Yonko. Law evidently can and no Sanji wanking can change that. It's that simple
 
#35
Like I said, your argument has fallen apart so you're mad. Sanji can't lead huge groups in campaigns to take on Yonko. Law evidently can and no Sanji wanking can change that. It's that simple
That is the point. Oda has downgraded sanji for law. Does it hurt you that zoro was a failure of vice captain and did nothing in wano but try to follow law and kinemons orders? Zoro is truly a waste.
 
#36
That is the point. Oda has downgraded sanji for law. Does it hurt you that zoro was a failure of vice captain and did nothing in wano but try to follow law and kinemons orders? Zoro is truly a waste.
At least Zoro can save his captain by himself. Sanji needed bailing out by his captain, and just made things more difficult. That's always been the difference between the two, Zoro is a King in his own right, Sanji is a follower. Stay mad though if you want.
 
#39
At least Zoro can save his captain by himself. Sanji needed bailing out by his captain, and just made things more difficult. That's always been the difference between the two, Zoro is a King in his own right, Sanji is a follower. Stay mad though if you want.
Sanji saved the whole crew bro the panel is above you. Can you read?


Look how pathetic the alleged vice captain is. He does not have a brain let alone lead samurais which he said he would. Everyone considered him a thief and not a good swordsman. Zoros legacy in wano was that he was a thief.
 
#40
Sanji saved the whole crew bro the panel is above you. Can you read?


Look how pathetic the alleged vice captain is. He does not have a brain let alone lead samurais which he said he would. Everyone considered him a thief and not a good swordsman. Zoros legacy in wano was that he was a thief.
I of course mean the tense moments of focus. There are dozens of characters who've saved Luffy in the story, doesn't make them vice captain. Whenever real, character defining moments (TB, WCI) come about, Sanji falls flat.
 
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