Now y’all guys can see right? Berry Rich posted something against Yamato joining, and he immediately agreed with it without the need to see the bullshit called “subtext.”
Trust me, if Berry Rich posted something against Carrot, he is going to say that we need to see the “subtext”.
And I am 100% sure he will deny this. Y’all wanna bet?
So predictable. At least the mod was right on C4N being “annoying” part ;)
Now y’all guys can see right? Berry Rich posted something against Yamato joining, and he immediately agreed with it without the need to see the bullshit called “subtext.”
The dream was to be like Oden by traveling the seas then coming back to be on Wano's side in this battle against Kaido. Being there for Wano is a part of the dream. The dream however has not gone to Yamato's initial plan.
Oda stated through Kaido that the Dog-Dog Fruit, Model: Okuchi-no-Makami is a Guardian Deity of Wano. Doesn't matter that Kaido is the main villain.
Yamato stated that she's leaving Wano with Luffy. Time and time again she has made her intent of leaving Wano clear, but Kaido has always stopped her. She cannot achieve her dream without taking Kaido down.
The dream was to be like Oden by traveling the seas then coming back to be on Wano's side in this battle against Kaido. Being there for Wano is a part of the dream. The dream however has not gone to Yamato's initial plan.
Oda stated through Kaido that the Dog-Dog Fruit, Model: Okuchi-no-Makami is a Guardian Deity of Wano. Doesn't matter that Kaido is the main villain.
These similarities and connections still apply with Yamato and Momo. Why would Oda create these interactions and parallels between the 2 of them? What is the payoff?
8 year old Yamato claims the title "Oden". This is after hearing about Oden from those around and witnessing Oden's memorable death.
8 year old Yamato wonders if they can become a samurai which connects to Wano.
After reading/hearing Oden's Travels, 8 year old Yamato stated they will fight on the side of Wano AFTER going out to sea and becoming stronger. Essentially doing what Oden did travel wise then in returning to Wano being there for the prophesied 20 years from then battle...which is now in story.
The 26 year old Yamato who met Ace should still want to travel to sea, grow stronger, THEN comeback for the prophesied battle in Wano.
But Yamato never got to go out to sea BEFORE the battle as planned by their 8 year old self. The exclamations were made before Yamato knew Momonosuke and the retainers were truly alive. Yamato planned to come back to Wano after taking on Oden's Will (Identity) to participate in the battle in their stead.
So my questions are:
What was 8 year old Yamato's plan to do after the battle was won? Would Yamato stay in Wano (become a samurai) or leave Wano to travel again? If to travel again, then for what reason(s)?
What is the female equivalent of Yamao (Yama Bro) which is male? A possible reason why Luffy has yet to refer to Yamato by their actual name could be for a joke setup. I see arguments stating Luffy called Chopper "Reindeer" but did Chopper correct Luffy before the recruitment was official? No, I don't recall that he did so it isn't a fair comparison when Luffy was ignorant of Chopper's name unlike being told directly by Yamato and still choosing to refer to Yamato by a nickname.
Is anyone from Wano or someone who would arguably stay to protect/guard Wano stronger than Yamato? I surmise no. Yamato would bolster Wano's defenses tremendously being the strongest samurai. If Wano is to be open borders it must be able to protect itself better than it has in the past. The more manpower the better. Zunesha is great for outside the borders but what about inside the borders? Momonosuke Kozuki is not ready. The current retainers were not enough. Wano needs to upgrade their personnel.
Where are Ogres from? Who created the Skull Dome on Onigashima? This may be a Wano connection which would explain Kaido's stance on keeping Wano under control. This also would mean that Yamato's ancestral home has in fact been Wano all along.
You are staying that since Yamato wanted to be Oden, she has to be like exactly like Oden step for step? By giving up on her dream? Should Luffy get a disease and disband his crew because he parallels Roger?
Yamato isn't Oden. She doesn't have to stay in Wano because of her mental disorder, and her circumstances are very different. For 20 years, Yamato wanted to leave Wano but the main villain kept her from doing so. She met Momo, has that DF, yet still declared she's leaving Wano and sailing the seas with Luffy.
Yamato being the guardian diety is used for thematic story telling, not as a reason for Yamato turn a complete 180 and giving up in her dream.
False threat, Marco was never in real danger or Big Mom wouldn't have just left because 2 minks scratched Perospero.. She would have defeated Wanda, Carrot and Marco instantly..
False threat, Marco was never in real danger or Big Mom wouldn't have just left because 2 minks scratched Perospero.. She would have defeated Wanda, Carrot and Marco instantly..
Marco was in real danger. This is an undeniable truth told by the story. Don't use imaginary powerscaling or headcanons to ignore what was actually written.
Marco was in real danger. This is an undeniable truth told by the story. Don't use imaginary powerscaling or headcanons to ignore what was actually written.
If Marco was truly in danger Big Mom would have killed him on the spot instead of asking Perospero or fleeing the scene afterward for no reason whatsoever.. Carrot has always been irrelevant and she will always be..
If Marco was truly in danger Big Mom would have killed him on the spot instead of asking Perospero or fleeing the scene afterward for no reason whatsoever.. Carrot has always been irrelevant and she will always be..
Big Mom choosed to let his son do it. Weither it's Big Mom or Perospero.. What Oda wrote is crystal clear. Marco was in REAL danger from getting shot by Perospero. Period.
Again, this is not debatable as it as printed black on white.
So Carrot and Wanda saved Marco, wether you like it or not.
Big Mom choosed to let his son do it. Weither it's Big Mom or Perospero.. What Oda wrote is crystal clear. Marco was in REAL danger from getting shot by Perospero. Period.
Again, this is not debatable as it as printed black on white.
So Carrot and Wanda saved Marco, wether you like it or not.
Yamato stated that she's leaving Wano with Luffy. Time and time again she has made her intent of leaving Wano clear, but Kaido has always stopped her. She cannot achieve her dream without taking Kaido down.
You are staying that since Yamato wanted to be Oden, she has to be like exactly like Oden step for step? By giving up on her dream? Should Luffy get a disease and disband his crew because he parallels Roger?
Yamato isn't Oden. She doesn't have to stay in Wano because of her mental disorder, and her circumstances are very different. For 20 years, Yamato wanted to leave Wano but the main villain kept her from doing so. She meet Momo, has that DF, yet still declared she's leaving Wano and sailing the seas with Luffy.
Yamato being the guardian diety is used for thematic story telling, not as a reason for Yamato tur5n a complete 180 and giving up in her dream.
Kaido stopped Yamato from leaving because Kaido wanted Yamato as Shogun. If Yamato was on board to be Shogun from the jump, I don't see Kaido stopping Yamato from taking trips outside of Wano in those 20 years. Yamato was imprisoned because Kaido does not trust Yamato.
Yamato does not have to be exactly like Oden which is impossible regardless. Yamato is not going to board Law's or Kid's ship/sub first, find their future mate, then board Luffy's ship afterwards to be more similar to Oden. Besides, it's Yamato who exclaims to any and all that they are Oden. Luffy does not claim to be Roger just the next Pirate King.
8 year old Yamato's words were to go out to sea, get stronger, then RETURN to Wano. Yamato did not get that chance though before the prophetic battle.
You are correct that 28 year old Yamato has been stating in the present timeline wanting to leave Wano with Luffy to go on adventures but for why now? The initial thought by 8 year old Yamato for leaving Wano was to come back and help fight Kaido. Now that the battle has come and will end, the initial reason for leaving Wano is gone.
Why does Yamato need to journey with Luffy? Adventures can be found on multiple ships and crews. Only reason I can think of is to chronicle what the One Piece is. That really isn't a distinct enough dream from Luffy finding the One Piece, IMO. Plus that contradicts what Oden did by tearing out the One Piece pages in his book.
Yamato wanted to go on sea adventures before knowing Luffy. The traveling dream does not have to be with Luffy. Yamato's "dream" has gone through multiple changes already.
Kaido stopped Yamato from leaving because Kaido wanted Yamato as Shogun. If Yamato was on board to be Shogun from the jump, I don't see Kaido stopping Yamato from taking trips outside of Wano in those 20 years. Yamato was imprisoned because Kaido does not trust Yamato.
Yamato does not have to be exactly like Oden which is impossible regardless. Yamato is not going to board Law's or Kid's ship/sub first, find their future mate, then board Luffy's ship afterwards to be more similar to Oden. Besides, it's Yamato who exclaims to any and all that they are Oden. Luffy does not claim to be Roger just the next Pirate King.
8 year old Yamato's words were to go out to sea, get stronger, then RETURN to Wano. Yamato did not get that chance though before the prophetic battle.
You are correct that 28 year old Yamato has been stating in the present timeline wanting to leave Wano with Luffy to go on adventures but for why now? The initial thought by 8 year old Yamato for leaving Wano was to come back and help fight Kaido. Now that the battle has come and will end, the initial reason for leaving Wano is gone.
Why does Yamato need to journey with Luffy? Adventures can be found on multiple ships and crews. Only reason I can think of is to chronicle what the One Piece is. That really isn't a distinct enough dream from Luffy finding the One Piece, IMO. Plus that contradicts what Oden did by tearing out the One Piece pages in his book.
Yamato wanted to go on sea adventures before knowing Luffy. The traveling dream does not have to be with Luffy. Yamato's "dream" has gone through multiple changes already.
So her wording when she was 8 makes everything that happened after irrelevant? 8 year old Yamato was fascinated by Oden and read his logbook. She wanted to live exactly like him aka leave Wano, have adventures and get stronger at sea, and then return to fight for Wano(against Kaido). That did not happen.
Kaido prevented her from leaving and she became a Prisoner. For 20 years she been trying to dip, repeatedly saying that her dream is to sail the seas and be free. When she meet Luffy, all she wanted was to leave but when she found that Kaido never cared for her, she made slight changes.
What were those changes? By declaring that she ain't leaving Wano until Kaido is taken down. She declared that she'll fight for Wano by driving Kaido away and then leaving when that's done.
She's already doing what Oden couldn't by helping save Wano, so she's already achieving that part of her 8 years old dialogue. She still has to realize her dream of leaving Wano and sailing, and she said it would be with Luffy. All this "she wants to be Oden" doesn't translate to her abandoning her dream and making the main villain right.
Kaido stopped Yamato from leaving because Kaido wanted Yamato as Shogun. If Yamato was on board to be Shogun from the jump, I don't see Kaido stopping Yamato from taking trips outside of Wano in those 20 years. Yamato was imprisoned because Kaido does not trust Yamato.
Yamato does not have to be exactly like Oden which is impossible regardless. Yamato is not going to board Law's or Kid's ship/sub first, find their future mate, then board Luffy's ship afterwards to be more similar to Oden. Besides, it's Yamato who exclaims to any and all that they are Oden. Luffy does not claim to be Roger just the next Pirate King.
8 year old Yamato's words were to go out to sea, get stronger, then RETURN to Wano. Yamato did not get that chance though before the prophetic battle.
You are correct that 28 year old Yamato has been stating in the present timeline wanting to leave Wano with Luffy to go on adventures but for why now? The initial thought by 8 year old Yamato for leaving Wano was to come back and help fight Kaido. Now that the battle has come and will end, the initial reason for leaving Wano is gone.
Why does Yamato need to journey with Luffy? Adventures can be found on multiple ships and crews. Only reason I can think of is to chronicle what the One Piece is. That really isn't a distinct enough dream from Luffy finding the One Piece, IMO. Plus that contradicts what Oden did by tearing out the One Piece pages in his book.
Yamato wanted to go on sea adventures before knowing Luffy. The traveling dream does not have to be with Luffy. Yamato's "dream" has gone through multiple changes already.
The problem with your arguments is that they don't counter the fact that present day Yamato said she wants to leave with Luffy after this war and there's been 0 opposition to this statement besides the main villain. No one has brought up the guardian fruit or Yamato protecting Wano besides Kaido in one chapter.
You can question why it has to be Luffy and bring up alternatives, but that doesn't change what her priority has been for years. Her studying the crew ahead of time and memorizing their bounties should say enough.
On the contrary. With Yamato joining the Straw Hats, she will perfectly fulfill the purpose of Oden tearing the page of Laugh Tale and the mystery of One Piece. Momo currently asked what made Roger’s crew laughed in Laugh Tale, and Oden tore those specific pages because Roger knew that he was not the one who is supposed to find One Piece; but Roger surely knew that it’s real.
IMO Oden tore the pages because he knew it would be dangerous if his journal falls into the wrong hands; and also he wanted the mystery of One Piece to be revealed naturally by the one who is supposed to find it, through the Poneglyphs especially the Road Poneglyphs. If Laugh Tale informations are still there, they would endanger Wano even more. Oden must’ve torn the pages with purpose, and IMO these are the most logical purpose why he decided to rip the pages off. Lucky that the one who found it was Yamato, and Yamato said that Kaido doesn’t know anything about the journal. Imagine if Kaido’s the one who found it and Laugh Tale’s informations are still there.
Yamato is the perfect candidate to fulfill the role, since Momo pretty much has stated many times that he wants and will be the rightful Wano Shogun. Yamato will be Kozuki/Wano’s representative to achieve what Oden couldn’t achieve by joining Roger. And if Momo decides to make Wano’s borders stay shut until the answer in Laugh Tale is revealed, then again Yamato is the perfect representative to do so, so that the answer will be revealed and Wano can finally open its borders.
With how Oda went by Oden tore the pages, Yamato will have even greater purpose to find the answer of One Piece. It will also be the perfect ending for One Piece, so there will be no more next generation who will try to find One Piece, and One Piece will end without sequels or something like that just like how Oda wanted One Piece to end, especially since One Piece has been going for almost 30 years. We’re reaching the endgame, so sooner or later One Piece will be revealed to the world of One Piece itself.
Carrot has been shown many times with the rest of the crew, acting as if she were part of the crew, like when Jinbei appeared in Wano and Carrot welcomed Jinbei just like the others, as if she were welcoming him to the crew to which she too belongs.
And when Luffy said they would drink after the victory in Onigashima, Carrot replied "Ou!" with the others, clearly as if she were already part of the crew.
Yamato, on the other hand, never even met the rest of the crew, was never even invited to join by Luffy, and when she said that she followed information that as Ace's brother, Luffy would let her, as Oden, board his ship, all he replied, with a face of disapproval, was that Oden was someone that everyone liked and that there's no way she was Oden.
And other than that, Luffy just accepted Yamato as an ally in the war. That's all.
That's totally different from the way how the others joined the crew.
In the others' cases, they received a very clear yes the moment they expressed the desire to join.
And considering how Oda has been doing some original stuff in this arc, such as making Sanji ask Robin to help him, to show how their personalities and principles are more complex than people may think, I won't be surprised if Oda makes Yamato actually ask another time to join the crew and receives a big NO as an answer.
On the contrary. With Yamato joining the Straw Hats, she will perfectly fulfill the purpose of Oden tearing the page of Laugh Tale and the mystery of One Piece. Momo currently asked what made Roger’s crew laughed in Laugh Tale, and Oden tore those specific pages because Roger knew that he was not the one who is supposed to find One Piece; but Roger surely knew that it’s real.
IMO Oden tore the pages because he knew it would be dangerous if his journal falls into the wrong hands; and also he wanted the mystery of One Piece to be revealed naturally by the one who is supposed to find it, through the Poneglyphs especially the Road Poneglyphs. If Laugh Tale informations are still there, they would endanger Wano even more. Oden must’ve torn the pages with purpose, and IMO these are the most logical purpose why he decided to rip the pages off. Lucky that the one who found it was Yamato, and Yamato said that Kaido doesn’t know anything about the journal. Imagine if Kaido’s the one who found it and Laugh Tale’s informations are still there.
IMO Oden tore the pages because he knew it would be dangerous if his journal falls into the wrong hands; and also he wanted the mystery of One Piece to be revealed naturally by the one who is supposed to find it, through the Poneglyphs especially the Road Poneglyphs. If Laugh Tale informations are still there, they would endanger Wano even more. Oden must’ve torn the pages with purpose, and IMO these are the most logical purpose why he decided to rip the pages off. Lucky that the one who found it was Yamato, and Yamato said that Kaido doesn’t know anything about the journal. Imagine if Kaido’s the one who found it and Laugh Tale’s informations are still there.
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