General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Yeah because the entire raid is for opening-up wano to the world also luffy is doing what oden failed to do which is take kaido out of wano same as Yamato not to be the shogun of wano to free wano from kaido 🤷♀️ during Zou arc kinemon tell luffy they want to open up the boards of wano am I right? Just like Yamato says she wants to open up the country so let me fight on your side(THE SIDE THAT'S FIGHTING FOR WANO)
@CarrotForNakama What do you think is Yamao's fate post Wano?
Wrong. The motivation to go at sea IS a relevant motivation by itself. Plus, Carrot is likely to develop that motivation in the very end chapter of wano. This can be said because of the challenge Perospero opposes to Carrot at the end of the fight and her defeat.
In a story when a bad guys challengesa protagonist or a character that way, the challenge is always overcome later.
At the difference that the relation between Carrot and Pedro is nothing alike any of those relations.
Because -like I said a HUNDRED TIME - the fight was not the thing that matter. The DEFEAT was. You guyz really have to understand that everything is not always developped with fights.
- Her capacity to use Sulong as soon as 15, this is very early (Vivre Card)
- Her treatment that is like NOTHING we have seen before (I already explained that multiple time, if you want to know more : Blog.)
- Her dynamic with the crew which is unique in the serie also.
- Her capacities : carrot can float. She is the only mink who is able to do taht in base form. Even Neko just jumps.
- The color of her cape which make her the only mink with a different color than her faction: Which is the symbole and the proof of a clear symbolic choice in the design other than "green is because she is a Carrot"
- Her status as a Rulers bird (only two minks have that status)
Those 6 things make Carrot a special mink. Period.
Indeed, that the one things Carrot don't have. A thing to note tho,the desire to help Luffy as been setup by PEdro for Carrot in the story, so it will happen sooner or later.
This is not a relevant argument. The strawhat vision of another cahracter doesn't enter into consideration in the recrutment. Might it be for Carrot or Yamato.
Carrot's cahracter arc has nothing to do with freedom. Irrelevant argument.
Which is not relevant in the consideration for a recrutment either. A strawhat doesn't become a strawhat because his antagonist as been defeated. A strawhats become a strawhat because the journey with the strawhat is permitting a development for the character. Which is EXACTLY what is happen right now for Carrot.
Which is important enough. Your argument is irrelevant.
The strawhats had enough on their plate. Making a strawhat come to help Carrot would have negated the development created by the defeat against perospero. Irrelevant argument again.
Wrong she saved Marco. You said it yourself. And don't start by saying that Marco didn't need it. First it would be ignoring the story and second it would be a pure bias argument. By saving Marco, Carrot help in the war like anyone else.
Carrot was on the ground and their were no Maries beside her. You argument is again irrelevant.
Carrot doesn't hear Luffy's voice of all thing. Irrelevant also.
We don't know that. Headcanon.
Irrelevant. You don't see me saying that Jinbe is not a strawhat because he was not put into a shining light by the marketing department when he has even less that Carrot has. This is non canon material. Plus there is no reason for Oda to market so highly such a huge revelation as the next strawhat.
Because wano is just a tiny part of the Yonko Saga. The actual storyline of the new world. taking ony Wano into account, is making a big narrative mistake. It's ignoring an entire section of the story.
Wano is only 2 week long. During those two week, carrot was with the strawhats or selling weapon with the mink. Then Onigashima happened and Carrot was on the Sunny hugging Jinbe. (don't make it like it never happened, this is a major narrative proof, you know.. those thing anyone here is actually seeking) Finally, Onigashima has only begun a few dozen of minutes ago.
Thinking that Carrot is being "forgotten" by Oda, is one of the headcnon conclusion that can be made in this arc.
Oda is not forgetting Carrot. He is AVOIDING her.
That's a nice desire. Desires in One Piece can change.
On the other hand. Something that can't change with Yamato, is her will to be free. And as I already explained. it can take multiple form:
- Escaping the trauma.
- Choosing her own pass on sea.
- Choosing her own pass on land.
And this is the following of a subversion dialogue. So I wouldn't take what Yamato says here as a narrative prophecy. In fact.. the fact that Oda is making Yamato says THREE times the same thing.. should lift red flags into everyone's mind. An author don't like to make his future storyline obvious. Oda is a missleader. Do you guyz really learned nothing after 1042 chapters ?
Rectification. yamato said to the samourai that she would be stronger in 20 years BECAUSE she would get out to sea in the meantime. Her end goal was therefore the war. Not the sea. Simple logic.
This is indeed a good point for Yamato.
Unlike Carrot, the thematic conflict between yamato and Kaido was her relationship with her dad, therefore the full display of the fight was necessary.
Luffy was about to hit gear fourth. yamato saved no one. She only moved forward the butt kicking of Ulti.
Good points.. Showing that yamato fought for Wano more than she fought for Luffy.
Yes and.. no, we don't know if yamato wanted to serv Luffy. This is a headcanon.
We don't know that either. Headcanon.
And it still manage to miss important parameters that each strawhat backstories usually present. Like a moral pillar for exemple.
Like Bartho.
Exactly. You got that right. This is similar to What Spandam did. Why ? Because both affirmation were subversion dialogues and challenges to the character. Those affirmation are bound to show that Kaido is wrong and that Yamato will in fact be accepted among the Samourais. (you are making a point for me here)
I don't see how this is relevant in a recrutment.
Non canon. Irrelevant.
By doing that. Oda would be proving Kaido right. And therefore send a very bad message, not only about the people of Wano, but japan in general (yes, Wano is feodal Japan)
You see the problem. There is no world were Yamato is not accepted by the samourai or the people if Momo as a word to say.
And there is no reason that she should.
Wrong. She proved the opposite by saying that she would die for Momo.
No, she needs to live free. THere is no proof that she needs to go out to sea.
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So what do we have here:
- A lot of head canon
- A lot of inventions
- A lot of "ignoring the story"
- A lot of wrong things too.
- And two good points.
See.. that's the power of storytelling. I have an answer for everything here. And will always do.
It doesn't negate the fact that those two fight are for very different ideal and reasons
On the contrary, if Luffy is fighting. it's because he made a promise, and will always fulfill them. That was my point by saying that Luffy had a completely different reason to fight than Momo or yamato or the scabbards.
Close Reinteiner/mentor or Shogun. :)
In a story when a bad guys challengesa protagonist or a character that way, the challenge is always overcome later.
At the difference that the relation between Carrot and Pedro is nothing alike any of those relations.
Because -like I said a HUNDRED TIME - the fight was not the thing that matter. The DEFEAT was. You guyz really have to understand that everything is not always developped with fights.
- Her capacity to use Sulong as soon as 15, this is very early (Vivre Card)
- Her treatment that is like NOTHING we have seen before (I already explained that multiple time, if you want to know more : Blog.)
- Her dynamic with the crew which is unique in the serie also.
- Her capacities : carrot can float. She is the only mink who is able to do taht in base form. Even Neko just jumps.
- The color of her cape which make her the only mink with a different color than her faction: Which is the symbole and the proof of a clear symbolic choice in the design other than "green is because she is a Carrot"
- Her status as a Rulers bird (only two minks have that status)
Those 6 things make Carrot a special mink. Period.
Indeed, that the one things Carrot don't have. A thing to note tho,the desire to help Luffy as been setup by PEdro for Carrot in the story, so it will happen sooner or later.
This is not a relevant argument. The strawhat vision of another cahracter doesn't enter into consideration in the recrutment. Might it be for Carrot or Yamato.
Carrot's cahracter arc has nothing to do with freedom. Irrelevant argument.
Which is not relevant in the consideration for a recrutment either. A strawhat doesn't become a strawhat because his antagonist as been defeated. A strawhats become a strawhat because the journey with the strawhat is permitting a development for the character. Which is EXACTLY what is happen right now for Carrot.
Which is important enough. Your argument is irrelevant.
The strawhats had enough on their plate. Making a strawhat come to help Carrot would have negated the development created by the defeat against perospero. Irrelevant argument again.
Wrong she saved Marco. You said it yourself. And don't start by saying that Marco didn't need it. First it would be ignoring the story and second it would be a pure bias argument. By saving Marco, Carrot help in the war like anyone else.
Carrot was on the ground and their were no Maries beside her. You argument is again irrelevant.
Carrot doesn't hear Luffy's voice of all thing. Irrelevant also.
We don't know that. Headcanon.
Irrelevant. You don't see me saying that Jinbe is not a strawhat because he was not put into a shining light by the marketing department when he has even less that Carrot has. This is non canon material. Plus there is no reason for Oda to market so highly such a huge revelation as the next strawhat.
Because wano is just a tiny part of the Yonko Saga. The actual storyline of the new world. taking ony Wano into account, is making a big narrative mistake. It's ignoring an entire section of the story.
Wano is only 2 week long. During those two week, carrot was with the strawhats or selling weapon with the mink. Then Onigashima happened and Carrot was on the Sunny hugging Jinbe. (don't make it like it never happened, this is a major narrative proof, you know.. those thing anyone here is actually seeking) Finally, Onigashima has only begun a few dozen of minutes ago.
Thinking that Carrot is being "forgotten" by Oda, is one of the headcnon conclusion that can be made in this arc.
Oda is not forgetting Carrot. He is AVOIDING her.
That's a nice desire. Desires in One Piece can change.
On the other hand. Something that can't change with Yamato, is her will to be free. And as I already explained. it can take multiple form:
- Escaping the trauma.
- Choosing her own pass on sea.
- Choosing her own pass on land.
And this is the following of a subversion dialogue. So I wouldn't take what Yamato says here as a narrative prophecy. In fact.. the fact that Oda is making Yamato says THREE times the same thing.. should lift red flags into everyone's mind. An author don't like to make his future storyline obvious. Oda is a missleader. Do you guyz really learned nothing after 1042 chapters ?
Rectification. yamato said to the samourai that she would be stronger in 20 years BECAUSE she would get out to sea in the meantime. Her end goal was therefore the war. Not the sea. Simple logic.
This is indeed a good point for Yamato.
Unlike Carrot, the thematic conflict between yamato and Kaido was her relationship with her dad, therefore the full display of the fight was necessary.
Luffy was about to hit gear fourth. yamato saved no one. She only moved forward the butt kicking of Ulti.
Good points.. Showing that yamato fought for Wano more than she fought for Luffy.
Yes and.. no, we don't know if yamato wanted to serv Luffy. This is a headcanon.
We don't know that either. Headcanon.
And it still manage to miss important parameters that each strawhat backstories usually present. Like a moral pillar for exemple.
Like Bartho.
Exactly. You got that right. This is similar to What Spandam did. Why ? Because both affirmation were subversion dialogues and challenges to the character. Those affirmation are bound to show that Kaido is wrong and that Yamato will in fact be accepted among the Samourais. (you are making a point for me here)
I don't see how this is relevant in a recrutment.
Non canon. Irrelevant.
By doing that. Oda would be proving Kaido right. And therefore send a very bad message, not only about the people of Wano, but japan in general (yes, Wano is feodal Japan)
You see the problem. There is no world were Yamato is not accepted by the samourai or the people if Momo as a word to say.
And there is no reason that she should.
Wrong. She proved the opposite by saying that she would die for Momo.
No, she needs to live free. THere is no proof that she needs to go out to sea.
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So what do we have here:
- A lot of head canon
- A lot of inventions
- A lot of "ignoring the story"
- A lot of wrong things too.
- And two good points.
See.. that's the power of storytelling. I have an answer for everything here. And will always do.
It doesn't negate the fact that those two fight are for very different ideal and reasons
On the contrary, if Luffy is fighting. it's because he made a promise, and will always fulfill them. That was my point by saying that Luffy had a completely different reason to fight than Momo or yamato or the scabbards.
Close Reinteiner/mentor or Shogun. :)
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