Do you guys still deny kid Buu >>> super Buu?
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He got knocked into a wall
with pikkon having no damage after defeating him
Pikkon's mere aura nearly beat olibu at the start of the fight
Pikkon even screamed away, the guy's ki blast
You just are making olibu seem alot stronger to show inconsistency justifying why you dont like it and why it shouldt count ignoring even presuming you are right, Goku went from raditz level to to stomping nappa with what a couple weeks of training but somehow yamcha being this strong in a couple years of training is just the anime being bad. Could you try not spewing biased nonsense??
Even if the anime was Canon, Gohan's Performance inside Buu, when being controlled by Buu, is not a testament of in character Gohan outside of Buu. Goku admitted that Gotenks is stronger than him, and Gohan was said to be even stronger. When Buutenks turned into Buuccolo, Goku said that now Gohan is strong enough to handle him, not talking about himself.
While SSJ3 was said to be enough for Kid Buu, Goku said that Super Buu is still too much and that it is unfortunate that Vegeta destroyed the Potara.
That being said, the Anime still isn't canon, period. It's just Mangaka giving the producers some freedom of creativity. And yes, there were characters in fillers who became canon, but 1) they become canon when the author officially introduces them as such and b) filler characters don't translate to filler scenes.
Again, Gohan > SSJ3 Goku is canon in the manga. Yet you believe SSJ1 Goku > Gohan is canon. Lmao.
While SSJ3 was said to be enough for Kid Buu, Goku said that Super Buu is still too much and that it is unfortunate that Vegeta destroyed the Potara.
That being said, the Anime still isn't canon, period. It's just Mangaka giving the producers some freedom of creativity. And yes, there were characters in fillers who became canon, but 1) they become canon when the author officially introduces them as such and b) filler characters don't translate to filler scenes.
Again, Gohan > SSJ3 Goku is canon in the manga. Yet you believe SSJ1 Goku > Gohan is canon. Lmao.
You would have to prove that gohan in buu's body was weaker.
Goku in the dub said it hit as hard so unless it's mistranslated, you dont have much leg to stand on here
Goku could of easily beat buu.
He says so himself
He just wanted the next generation to take care of things as he wont be here forever.
The whole arc could of ended quickly if goku was not so adamant about passing the torch to the next generation
I honestly dont care what the fandoms count or dont not count as it has no barring on the actual material as much as that may piss you off.
This is just nonsense, So let get this straight
characters that act and look the same as those in filler are different versions, based on what and if the author wanted a different character then why not have a different character instead of including one from an existing media??
The intent is clear, you clearly just dislike what it entails
Goku in the dub said it hit as hard so unless it's mistranslated, you dont have much leg to stand on here
Goku could of easily beat buu.
He says so himself
He just wanted the next generation to take care of things as he wont be here forever.
The whole arc could of ended quickly if goku was not so adamant about passing the torch to the next generation
I honestly dont care what the fandoms count or dont not count as it has no barring on the actual material as much as that may piss you off.
This is just nonsense, So let get this straight
characters that act and look the same as those in filler are different versions, based on what and if the author wanted a different character then why not have a different character instead of including one from an existing media??
The intent is clear, you clearly just dislike what it entails
@Bob74h Goku's statement referred to fat Buu, the weakest of them all. Goku said he is >= Kid Buu and > fat Buu. Yet saying he wouldn't beat Super Buu. Gohan low diffed Super Buu, and Goku left Buucolcolo to Gohan too.
No amount of coping will change that.
Gohan > SSj3 as per manga Canon. And SSj3 >>> SSj1. So SSj1 being > Gohan is a dumb take.
No amount of coping will change that.
Gohan > SSj3 as per manga Canon. And SSj3 >>> SSj1. So SSj1 being > Gohan is a dumb take.
The only one mad, Is the person upset at my use of the anime and using shaming tactics to invalidate the opposing side
SSJ1 goku >> gohan.
Stay mad
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Not at all.
Sjj3 goku would be stronger then goku in weaker form obviously,
I just rank gohan weaker then his father in SSJ3.
you are free to remain upset about that as you and your goons have been
Im not using manga trash
see, we both can be slanderous and immature
it's just a anime dude if you dislike it so much that me posting gifs of it bothers you maybe you should just ignore me and call it quits instead reeing like a 2 yr child as your doing
Me using a source you dont like makes me fodder
I guess your fodder as i dont like manga and your using the manga as proof, your logic not mine
The only person mad is you, I have not insulted or labeled things as trash or evil to argue a point unlike you who has only made use of such tactics.
Canon is a meaningless term, it just refers to what material is accepted as usable among the community
I care what official material suggests not what a fringe group of people online think
Im not mad.
I have never given any indication of such via incoherent texting,insults.caps lock or etc
you however have done that numerous times here
see, we both can be slanderous and immature
it's just a anime dude if you dislike it so much that me posting gifs of it bothers you maybe you should just ignore me and call it quits instead reeing like a 2 yr child as your doing
Me using a source you dont like makes me fodder
I guess your fodder as i dont like manga and your using the manga as proof, your logic not mine
The only person mad is you, I have not insulted or labeled things as trash or evil to argue a point unlike you who has only made use of such tactics.
Canon is a meaningless term, it just refers to what material is accepted as usable among the community
I care what official material suggests not what a fringe group of people online think
Im not mad.
I have never given any indication of such via incoherent texting,insults.caps lock or etc
you however have done that numerous times here
The manga is the first - and thus best - source when it comes to using information or even facts. Anime is a tertiary source which is just the canon stuff which is adapted to the animation. But why it is 3rd? Because databooks, magazines, etc. are second when it comes to official sources.
Filler is at the absolute bottom when it comes to reliable information.
Anime directors have to fill the gap within the anime and the manga with some stuff; and mostly it is incredibly stupid shit added to it. Sure, they can be entertaining nevertheless but reliable? Fuck no. You're using these fillers when it comes to arguing important powerscaling about the Buus? It's stupid.
No, you're not slanderous and immature, you're intellectually dishonest, there's a difference.
Also, immature, why? For calling irrelevant filler trash? Did it hurt your feelings? Should I have phrased it "I'm not the one using absolute irrelevant filler sources to the canon whose purpose it is to fill the gap between anime and manga?". Sure, I could criticize your ability to use valid evidence in discussions but this was much shorter and more effective.
It's interesting how you're acting smug when you're the one coping and crying about people disagreeing with your bullshit powerscaling and your actual insanity to use irrelevant filler in canon material.
What's next, Naruto is weak for losing against fodder pirates? Or fodder batman overpowering Luffy's hardening without issues?
I could have ignored you, yes, but where's the fun in doing that if I can just call out your nonsense?
Exactly.
I labeled irrelevant filler shit as trash because it is when it comes to powerscaling.
Idk why you're so against using manga canon but of course, using the manga - which is written by the DB author - as a source is the safest and best option to provide evidence.
That's great for you, lol.
If you unironically think that, your credibility is non-existent, like seriously.
How can someone prever anime filler over manga canon...
That's how you convince yourself that using anime fillers is a legit way of powerscaling? What a joke.
You don't need to; the fact that you're heavily coping and crying about some people being denial for not buying your headcanon is already evident.
Filler is at the absolute bottom when it comes to reliable information.
Anime directors have to fill the gap within the anime and the manga with some stuff; and mostly it is incredibly stupid shit added to it. Sure, they can be entertaining nevertheless but reliable? Fuck no. You're using these fillers when it comes to arguing important powerscaling about the Buus? It's stupid.
No, you're not slanderous and immature, you're intellectually dishonest, there's a difference.
Also, immature, why? For calling irrelevant filler trash? Did it hurt your feelings? Should I have phrased it "I'm not the one using absolute irrelevant filler sources to the canon whose purpose it is to fill the gap between anime and manga?". Sure, I could criticize your ability to use valid evidence in discussions but this was much shorter and more effective.
It's interesting how you're acting smug when you're the one coping and crying about people disagreeing with your bullshit powerscaling and your actual insanity to use irrelevant filler in canon material.
What's next, Naruto is weak for losing against fodder pirates? Or fodder batman overpowering Luffy's hardening without issues?
I could have ignored you, yes, but where's the fun in doing that if I can just call out your nonsense?
Exactly.
I labeled irrelevant filler shit as trash because it is when it comes to powerscaling.
Idk why you're so against using manga canon but of course, using the manga - which is written by the DB author - as a source is the safest and best option to provide evidence.
That's great for you, lol.
If you unironically think that, your credibility is non-existent, like seriously.
How can someone prever anime filler over manga canon...
That's how you convince yourself that using anime fillers is a legit way of powerscaling? What a joke.
You don't need to; the fact that you're heavily coping and crying about some people being denial for not buying your headcanon is already evident.
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That's just a hypocrital position considering your group's own claims coupled with statements that you made after this post such as guidebooks and magazines counting which would be fine if not for the only source material is valid argument
Ether only the first thing counts or additional material is fine, It cant be both ways and have your position be internally consistent but of course, it's only about appealing to consensus not making good arguments as a already self evident and b as you admitted later in this post
Because, You dont like the anime and see it as trash
You already admitted that it has nothing to do with standards of any kind but rather your dislike for quote filler trash.
Your collogues have said as such before too.
According to whom, The community
Toriyama counts the anime. I guess the fandom has more validity then the creator of the show
Listen dude, here's the reality of the situation
People just use what information they like and discard what they dont has nothing to do with logic or whatever. It just has to do with predetermined bias and the interest of whomever talking most like manga more then anime so they count the manga whereas im to like the anime more. I get that pisses you guys off that im to like something that you do not but im obviously not changing interests anytime soon so you can get over it or just cry like you been doing. Would be more productive if you spent time not whining about a grown man liking something you dont care for anyway but whatever makes gets you off ig
Define as to what you mean by reliable like it's factually accurate, internally consistent or what??
I'm not slanderous, I just copied what you said to explain how anyone person can be immature and use arguments like that but obviously you failed to understand the stated function of that comment
If some pfp with a name relies you up this much, Maybe you should just get off the web
You obviously cant handle talking to those whom hold different opinions to you, Kinda happens that way when your only ever within a echo chamber
Immature, Because of the way you phrased it yes and your did you hurt your feelings line is just showing greater immaturity and insecurity on your part
I am not offended or upset by you, If anything with regards to feelings. I just find it comical that you are getting this worked up and acting this rude over an anime. it's pathetic really and your just making a fool of yourself by presenting yourself like this but do go on consensus tard.
If, I cared about what others thought of me or would be upset at their dislike of me as you suggest right. Then why even hold these positions to begin with wouldt it be better to just try to fit into group if my goal was gaining acceptance??
My positions are very disliked by the community, Wouldt you think that my goal is the opposite of acceptance logically
Didt really say, I am agonist the manga being used at least here
I just said that anime content is fine too
dbs is not wrote by toriyama yet the fans see that as canon, It has nothing to do with this standard of creator involvement but rather the fandom collectively deciding that x material is good and b is bad if im wrong then how do you explain the discrepancies and verbatim statements said even here which admits canon is just what material is accepted by fans
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Wasn't expecting you to jump in this @Sentinel in all honesty seems like a waste of time.
* There's panels of Goku saying him and Vegeta individually would die to Super Buu (no absorption) = Super Buu agrees
* Super Buu admits inferiority to Awakened Gohan and was toying with SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu doesn't want anyone alive stronger than him thus he came up with the strategy to absorb Gotenks
* SSJ3 Goku mentions he'd wipe Kid Buu out if he could fully power up a kamahameha (he underestimated his alive body)
Besides filler content Goku DBZ (EOS) isn't on Gohan level
(which also matches the tone of Goku trying to pass things over to the next gen cause they can do it without him)
* There's panels of Goku saying him and Vegeta individually would die to Super Buu (no absorption) = Super Buu agrees
* Super Buu admits inferiority to Awakened Gohan and was toying with SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu doesn't want anyone alive stronger than him thus he came up with the strategy to absorb Gotenks
* SSJ3 Goku mentions he'd wipe Kid Buu out if he could fully power up a kamahameha (he underestimated his alive body)
Besides filler content Goku DBZ (EOS) isn't on Gohan level
(which also matches the tone of Goku trying to pass things over to the next gen cause they can do it without him)
Whats seen as valuable or not is ultimately subjective not only that but it's not like anyone will change their mind on this, This is just a way for people to form echo chambers with those whom they agree with
Yet they didt die in ether the manga or the anime, How does that work then if your claims are true
Gotenks was beating super buu and buu threw a fit about it accidently opening a portal in the hyperbolic time chamber remember??
This was his reaction upon making a hole in the time chamber so cant say it was intentional really
Yet they didt die in ether the manga or the anime, How does that work then if your claims are true
Gotenks was beating super buu and buu threw a fit about it accidently opening a portal in the hyperbolic time chamber remember??
This was his reaction upon making a hole in the time chamber so cant say it was intentional really