General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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It's more confusing to me than hilarious. Like what do people see in an 11 year old from all the way back in the East Blue saga who's greatest accomplishment was taking down Jango with help from Onion and Papper? Like he didn't even take Jango down by himself and they already want him to join a Yonko tier crew like the SHs. If we have to have a kid join, I'd rather have Tama. At least she has a somewhat useful Devil Fruit and is in close proximity to the SHs.
Pekoms 
Still waiting for hybrid lion/turtle sulong. But yeah, the cover story is one to keep an eye on
Pedro only told Carrot one day she will understand why its important the Strawhats survive there. He also thinks they are the people his Mink and the Kozuki have been waiting for centuries. He also tells them all before blowing up, you gara must go on/go forward. There is nothing hinting at Carrot inheriting anything from him. There is no connection whatsoever between her and the dawn, other than her being a mink, like many others, and the minks (along with the Kozuki) waiting for someone to guide the world into the dawn.
Cannonically from Pedro, she got:
-get stronger no matter what, everyone has their moment to shine (already did, vs the BMP fleet)
-understand why its important the SHs survive WCI, even at the cost of others deaths (his) (shes a bit slow, might take her a while, but shes getting there)
And thats it from her character
Still waiting for hybrid lion/turtle sulong. But yeah, the cover story is one to keep an eye on
Pedro only told Carrot one day she will understand why its important the Strawhats survive there. He also thinks they are the people his Mink and the Kozuki have been waiting for centuries. He also tells them all before blowing up, you gara must go on/go forward. There is nothing hinting at Carrot inheriting anything from him. There is no connection whatsoever between her and the dawn, other than her being a mink, like many others, and the minks (along with the Kozuki) waiting for someone to guide the world into the dawn.
Cannonically from Pedro, she got:
-get stronger no matter what, everyone has their moment to shine (already did, vs the BMP fleet)
-understand why its important the SHs survive WCI, even at the cost of others deaths (his) (shes a bit slow, might take her a while, but shes getting there)
And thats it from her character
You're hoping for a fake death? 
Oda has had multiple fake out deaths before. I don't know if Pedro is truly dead but I know Perospero survived the explosion because of his candy armor and I know Pedro escaped a previous explosion via help from Chopper, Carrot, and Brulee's Mirror powers. If Oda wants Pedro to live he lives. Maybe he's uninjured or maimed but either way it means his journey won't end. Ceasar Clown, Pekoms, and Pedro are still not accounted for in the Germa cover story. The candy Punk Hazard may be used in the Germa or other WCI cover story. Pedro of the Treetops in the Seducing Woods. Storylines are available to be explored.
I have other reasons why but it doesn't prove anything per se but rather up the probability and likihood of survival such as Pedro being foreshadowed, the question of Oda not showing certain Minks Sulong form (Pedro, Pekoms, Bepo, Faust, Lindbergh), and IMO the best candidate to be useful with the Paw Fruit.
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Pekoms
Still waiting for hybrid lion/turtle sulong. But yeah, the cover story is one to keep an eye on
Pedro only told Carrot one day she will understand why its important the Strawhats survive there. He also thinks they are the people his Mink and the Kozuki have been waiting for centuries. He also tells them all before blowing up, you gara must go on/go forward. There is nothing hinting at Carrot inheriting anything from him. There is no connection whatsoever between her and the dawn, other than her being a mink, like many others, and the minks (along with the Kozuki) waiting for someone to guide the world into the dawn.
Cannonically from Pedro, she got:
-get stronger no matter what, everyone has their moment to shine (already did, vs the BMP fleet)
-understand why its important the SHs survive WCI, even at the cost of others deaths (his) (shes a bit slow, might take her a while, but shes getting there)
And thats it from her character
Still waiting for hybrid lion/turtle sulong. But yeah, the cover story is one to keep an eye on
Pedro only told Carrot one day she will understand why its important the Strawhats survive there. He also thinks they are the people his Mink and the Kozuki have been waiting for centuries. He also tells them all before blowing up, you gara must go on/go forward. There is nothing hinting at Carrot inheriting anything from him. There is no connection whatsoever between her and the dawn, other than her being a mink, like many others, and the minks (along with the Kozuki) waiting for someone to guide the world into the dawn.
Cannonically from Pedro, she got:
-get stronger no matter what, everyone has their moment to shine (already did, vs the BMP fleet)
-understand why its important the SHs survive WCI, even at the cost of others deaths (his) (shes a bit slow, might take her a while, but shes getting there)
And thats it from her character
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Chapter 1006 has Carrot defeated while Perospero rubs it in her face. Carrot has a quick thought about Pedro telling her to move forward and that's it. Dream not shared. Will not passed.
Carrot does not have a purpose stated out of her mouth as it stands currently. Her only purpose was a WCI plot brought to Wano in Perospero's defeat. She traveled to a Wonderland and saw her leader avenge his right-hand man, one of her many mentors. The only "hint" for Carrot after Wano I can see is Carrot having interest in Giants but what purpose does that add to the story besides Carrot sightseeing and jumping on Usopp's bandwagon?
Hiriluk's and Chopper's relationship has details and depth that Carrot's and Pedro's lacks. Hiriluk taught Chopper about caring for your patients. Dr. Kureha taught Chopper medical skills. Pedro told Carrot to use claw gloves. Not comparable because lack of substance and evidence.
So is Carrot copying part of Big Bro Chopper's backstory trauma seeing their mentors explode? Oda had plenty of time to plan a more unique trauma display for Carrot. Oda changing the narrative dynamic of how previous Strawhats relationships were displayed for Carrot to join seems highly unlikely.
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Yeah. What's wrong with hope? The Will of P still holding strong so no reason to quit believing now. Pedro seamlessly helped the Strawhats in rescue Sanji plan and Road Poneglyph copy. Imagine Pedro in this Wano battle. No way Usopp would have beat Pedro to the crow's nest. Sulong Pedro would have put in that work against the Beast Pirates or Perospero. I could see Robin, Brook, and Pedro on a mission to find the Wano Road Poneglyph and copy it. Pedro gets shit done.
Oda has had multiple fake out deaths before. I don't know if Pedro is truly dead but I know Perospero survived the explosion because of his candy armor and I know Pedro escaped a previous explosion via help from Chopper, Carrot, and Brulee's Mirror powers. If Oda wants Pedro to live he lives. Maybe he's uninjured or maimed but either way it means his journey won't end. Ceasar Clown, Pekoms, and Pedro are still not accounted for in the Germa cover story. The candy Punk Hazard may be used in the Germa or other WCI cover story. Pedro of the Treetops in the Seducing Woods. Storylines are available to be explored.
I have other reasons why but it doesn't prove anything per se but rather up the probability and likihood of survival such as Pedro being foreshadowed, the question of Oda not showing certain Minks Sulong form (Pedro, Pekoms, Bepo, Faust, Lindbergh), and IMO the best candidate to be useful with the Paw Fruit.
That Pekoms hybrid lion/turtle Sulong form will be magnific.
Chapter 1006 has Carrot defeated while Perospero rubs it in her face. Carrot has a quick thought about Pedro telling her to move forward and that's it. Dream not shared. Will not passed.
Carrot does not have a purpose stated out of her mouth as it stands currently. Her only purpose was a WCI plot brought to Wano in Perospero's defeat. She traveled to a Wonderland and saw her leader avenge his right-hand man, one of her many mentors. The only "hint" for Carrot after Wano I can see is Carrot having interest in Giants but what purpose does that add to the story besides Carrot sightseeing and jumping on Usopp's bandwagon?
Hiriluk's and Chopper's relationship has details and depth that Carrot's and Pedro's lacks. Hiriluk taught Chopper about caring for your patients. Dr. Kureha taught Chopper medical skills. Pedro told Carrot to use claw gloves. Not comparable because lack of substance and evidence.
So is Carrot copying part of Big Bro Chopper's backstory trauma seeing their mentors explode? Oda had plenty of time to plan a more unique trauma display for Carrot. Oda changing the narrative dynamic of how previous Strawhats relationships were displayed for Carrot to join seems highly unlikely.
Oda has had multiple fake out deaths before. I don't know if Pedro is truly dead but I know Perospero survived the explosion because of his candy armor and I know Pedro escaped a previous explosion via help from Chopper, Carrot, and Brulee's Mirror powers. If Oda wants Pedro to live he lives. Maybe he's uninjured or maimed but either way it means his journey won't end. Ceasar Clown, Pekoms, and Pedro are still not accounted for in the Germa cover story. The candy Punk Hazard may be used in the Germa or other WCI cover story. Pedro of the Treetops in the Seducing Woods. Storylines are available to be explored.
I have other reasons why but it doesn't prove anything per se but rather up the probability and likihood of survival such as Pedro being foreshadowed, the question of Oda not showing certain Minks Sulong form (Pedro, Pekoms, Bepo, Faust, Lindbergh), and IMO the best candidate to be useful with the Paw Fruit.
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That Pekoms hybrid lion/turtle Sulong form will be magnific.
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Chapter 1006 has Carrot defeated while Perospero rubs it in her face. Carrot has a quick thought about Pedro telling her to move forward and that's it. Dream not shared. Will not passed.
Carrot does not have a purpose stated out of her mouth as it stands currently. Her only purpose was a WCI plot brought to Wano in Perospero's defeat. She traveled to a Wonderland and saw her leader avenge his right-hand man, one of her many mentors. The only "hint" for Carrot after Wano I can see is Carrot having interest in Giants but what purpose does that add to the story besides Carrot sightseeing and jumping on Usopp's bandwagon?
Hiriluk's and Chopper's relationship has details and depth that Carrot's and Pedro's lacks. Hiriluk taught Chopper about caring for your patients. Dr. Kureha taught Chopper medical skills. Pedro told Carrot to use claw gloves. Not comparable because lack of substance and evidence.
So is Carrot copying part of Big Bro Chopper's backstory trauma seeing their mentors explode? Oda had plenty of time to plan a more unique trauma display for Carrot. Oda changing the narrative dynamic of how previous Strawhats relationships were displayed for Carrot to join seems highly unlikely.
It's the exact same thing.. What's next you will pretend that Carrot showed something different than Electro that her electro is unique too?..
It was never Pedro's intentions to fight Perospero but to blow himself up...
I'm pointing out that Carrot has less potential than Jinbei and she will max out at high Tobiroppo at best.. That's being generous..
SBS 63, the Shichibukai were drawn as kids and Jinbei was training already with a black belt allegedly..
They washed up ashore unconscious......
They just said it was unusual to have mastered Sulong at her age, meaning it can occur but it's not common..
Because Wanda is her babysitter, their rank is useless.. I will give you this small leeway, for if Wanda is her caretaker there could be a story behind, however Carrot is still irrelevant as ever right now..
That's not the point, Pedro was more focused than Carrot when it should be in reverse for a future strawhat like Chopper and Hiluluk.. Carrot's relationship with pedro doesn't exist..
It was never Pedro's intentions to fight Perospero but to blow himself up...
I'm pointing out that Carrot has less potential than Jinbei and she will max out at high Tobiroppo at best.. That's being generous..
SBS 63, the Shichibukai were drawn as kids and Jinbei was training already with a black belt allegedly..
They washed up ashore unconscious......
They just said it was unusual to have mastered Sulong at her age, meaning it can occur but it's not common..
Because Wanda is her babysitter, their rank is useless.. I will give you this small leeway, for if Wanda is her caretaker there could be a story behind, however Carrot is still irrelevant as ever right now..
That's not the point, Pedro was more focused than Carrot when it should be in reverse for a future strawhat like Chopper and Hiluluk.. Carrot's relationship with pedro doesn't exist..
You just said there was:
This is called a "hint" or in other simple words: a setup. This can be recognized by the fact that this sentence was not a necessity in that situation.
Furthermore: The fact that Carrot said "I will fight for you too Pedro" is ALSO a hint.
Of course there is. Both is the story and symbolically.
- Because of those words from Pedro and the words from Carrot in chapter 995
- Because of the fact that she is a Kingsbird, symbolically being the character going through day and night
- And the simple fact that she is a rabbit. Spoiler: Rabbits are crepuscular. Meaning that they are most active at dusk and DAWN.
Here, three things already debunking your lie.
This is literally a hint that the will is being passed on.. you are not reading One Piece here.
Indeed, like Nami had no purpose going with Luffyor Robin (her Dream being crushed) or Usopp. Irrelevant argument. A purpose can come after a long period of time.
I can see a lot more hints than that.. strange:
- Carrot being completely overwhelm by her Trip
- Pedro's words
- Perospero's words
- Carrot talking about Zombie
- Carrot talking about adventure
- Carrot talking about fighting for Pedro
Etc..
THere is a lot of hint and Shadows preparing the purpose of Carrot through Whole cake but also Wano.
Carrot is bound to develop a purpose. I doesn't mean this will have something to do with the dawn, it doesn't mean it has to be obvious. It means that it WILL happen.
The relationship between Pedro and Carrot was clear. Carrot was her mentor. THere is no need for a extensive backstory when there is no need for one. You didn't see Oda taking 4 chapters on Usopp's backstory. The simple fact that his mom died was enough to trigger him. That's the same thing with Carrot. In fact we had more development between Carrot and Pedro than with Usopp and his mom. And that... is narrative fact. And a proof that your argument is Irrelevant.
He did what was necessary, no need for more. It would be useless and bad writing.
I just proved to you that Oda didn't change anything. There is just strawhat with a much stronger development than others. Accept it.
It's not. Minks have jumping abilities or can use their body to fly like Pedro.. but Carrot has an INHERENT capacity to float. It's part of her design. It has nothing to do with some body skill. Carrot's electro is not unique.. but it can become unique.. in fact... Carrot is the only mink who was shown to be creative with Electro with her Electrical Luna.
Not at all. Pedro wanted to fight first. Like with Eggman, Pedro only used Explosives as a last ressource. No wonder some of you guyz thing Perospero is not responsible here.. you have completely twisted Pedro's action.
Like Stan Lee said very well: "It's my story, if I want a character to win, they will".. It's the same for Oda. Carrot's potential will be as powerfull as Oda need it to be.
SO this is an interpretation then not a fact.
And ? Same thing.
And this was mentionned for a reason. Go figure.
We don't know what are the parental links between Wanda and Carrot. We can't invent something we don't know.oda didn't need to have Carrot be a Ruler's bird.
It doesn't, it was shown during whole cake. It's not deep, but it was simple enough for everyone to understand. And at the same level of some realtionship between the strawhat and their own moral Pillar
Yeah.. no. Onigashima is still part of wano.
You see, the problem with you guyz and most of the fanbase in fact, is that Oda wrote a story worth analysing.
So.. fans started to analyse... without any knowledge of the craft.. And the problem here is that those fan (you guyz included) have been nourrishing eachothers with those analysis. You have been told for so many years that there was rules in One Piece, for exemple that Oda was hidding some numerology inside the chapters number or that he was respecting a strong pattern (dream/Backstory/Tragedy etc.)
And NEVER those affirmations have been critically criticized from a sceptikal mindset.
Result: We have in the fanbase an entire group of pure conspiracy theorist, a group that thinks they are making theory when they are just making hypothesis or guesses, groups that are fighting over powerscaling principles that doesn't exist and groups like here in Worst gen, that are so bias toward a character and the affirmations of the fanbase concerning the so called "rules" that Oda is putting in his story, that the moment someone tells them that the story is not functionning like they think it is...
They are either panicking, trying to prove wrong or insulting that person.
The problem you see.. is that all those groups are wrong.. and the story will ALWAYS prove them wrong. Why ? Because that's not how the story works.
If there is backstories, tragedies, desires, dreams, powers, actions, mentors, flashbacks, prophecies, hints and setups.... it's not because those are "pattern" that Oda magically thought of One day and decided to follow to make his story coherent...
.. it's because EACH of those things have a PURPOSE in the story.
In others words, when those things are not needed, they don't need to be in the story, period.
Now let's go back to my blog shall we and let's see why I choose not to take every so called fanbase "rules": First with the beginning, the first round of recruitment, when I sorted every characters to take only 5 at the end:
I choose to based my first sorting on seven rule. I had only one principle: to be the most objective and functionnal possible. Meaning that those 7 rules where made in a way that they were a ABSOLUTE necessity to be recruited from a storytelling standpoint:
1. Being alive.
This rule speaks for itself, and I think we all agree that ghost don't exist in One Piece. The only way to come back would be through a devil fruit.. meaning that the character would be alive EVEN while being dead. Meaning in short that it could interact with the word of living.
Simple, efficient. With that rule you can already scratch a lot of character from Whitebeard to Hiluluk.
2. Being relevant to the story.
This parameters was made to scratch out any background characters like the mayers of Windmill village for exemple. This rule states that the character needs to:
And with that, a lot of characters are out. Background one. And yes Carrot passes this test easily narratively, only a blind mind would say the opposite.
3. The character must be unique and have a unique ability.
Here, the rule is NOT that the character must be unique in the entirerity of the story. It means that AMONG the strawhats, the character must stands out from a desgin standpoint and from an ability stand point.
Why this rule ?
The strawhats are all build different as the Sunny represent a shiop of diversity. Because of that, each one of them must be able to shine on his own and there must be no repeat. If it was the case,said strawhat would be less relevant.
The principle is simple: A unique design and a unique ability.
With this, you can scratch a lot of background AND main characters. For example Mihawk is too close to Zoro, there is no fundamental difference in the ability. At the difference of Brook where the skeletton is not fighting only with a sword, but with his devil fruit.
This parameter might seem less important, but it is fundamental.
4. The character must be free from faction duty and/or independant
With that parameters we are entering a little deeper into the recrutment. A cahracter must be ABLE to go on an adventure. This is imperative.
So it means that the character must be able to leave their faction without to much of a consequences. That's why captains like Law or Bonnie or Kid, who never expressed the need to go on an adventure are NOT good candidate and never will be (until they express at least a glimps of self questionning about their position)
5. The character must be a friend or a false adversary
I explained clearly why this rule was necessary on my blog.Let me copy paste that:
The crew is the representation of a family, or at least, this is Luffy's one. Because of that, each strawhats are and need to be relatable. Luffy can't accept someone he can't trust or can't forgive. That's why the future recruit must be at least a false adversary on the verge of betraying the ennemy and must have never done something unforgivable.
That is also why characters like Ceasar or Enel are definitely not good candidate to join the crew. Here are some argument people tends to make to defend the chances of those two:
But there is another parameter that can be juxtaposed to death: Suffering. In some cases, suffering can be seen as something even more serious than death. Suffering makes people cry, suffering - in One Piece - can be traumatizing. That is why a character who willingly made a lot of people suffer can't have a complete redemption arc
B. There is another rule in storytelling, for a redemption arc to happen, it must have been shadowed first! That is why people like Franky and Robin weren't portrayed as complete antagonist. For a good redemption arc to happen, we needed to have at least doubts about them.
The third argument often come with the mention of Crocodile. People tends to think that because Crocodile allowed himself to follow Luffy for a while, an antagonist could follow Luffy on the Sunny. but there is a catch to this argument, it doesn't take into consideration the fact that the arrangement between the two protagonist was nothing but alliance, never friendship and it ignores the most important thing : Luffy never trusted Crocodile. Why should he ? The man made Vivi and his friends suffer.
So, after all that, there is but one conclusion : Ceasar and Enel will never be forgiven by Luffy. After all, both made his friends and allies suffer to an unforgivable point. And all of this without the fact that adding to the crew a genocidal maniac and slave owner or a guy who abused children by giving them drugs.. would be an horrible stand from Oda as a writer.
In other words. Oda can't recruit a bad guy, this is not DragonBall Z. Bad actions have consequences. But he can recruit someone who APPEARS like a bad guy. This is why the next recruit must AT LEAST be a false adversary. In narrative term it means that the characters must have shown sign/friendship acts. (Like Robin saving Luffy from the sandpool)
6. The character must be looking and acting towards adventure
Vivi proved one thing narratively: It's that if your hearth is not turned toward adventure or free... you can't become a strawhat.
For that reason it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY that a strawhat must be able to go on an adventure before being recruted.
With that, you can scratch out characters like Katakuri, Chopper and Puddings.
Characters that have expressed the need to change their environment, but from the inside. Not the outside and therefore are not ready for departure.
7. The character must have a moral Pillar.
Finally the last rule I choosed is that the character must have someone to rely on in case of moral needs. This character will become the "PILLAR" of the conscience of our future strawhat.
Now why is this rule so important ?
Because inherited will is one of the most IMPORTANT theme of One Piece. Oda is hammering every arc that if you can move, it's because another personn pushed you first and is still in your hearth when you need them.
So, when the character is in difficulty.. the moral pillar becomes imperative. Their NEEDS to be someone behind each strawhats.
Now... I will be honest.
At the first prototype of that rule, I thought that I needed to stay true to what a real moral pillar is in One Piece, inother word, I was thinking about a character who pushed PERSONNALLY the future strawhat, but also lost something in the process (you can check, it happens everytime)
The problem..
At this step of my sorting.. only TWO characters fitted that rule : Carrot and Momonosuke.
So in order to be extra fair with Yamato and in order to put a little more challenge: I scratched that factor. Leaving the moral Pillar only as someone who pushed the character and is remembered for it.
So here you go. Seven rule. ALL imperative to the narrative. There is no "your headcanon" in this. This is what an objectif sorting really looks like.
At the end (and you can check for yourself with every characters in One Piece) only 5 characters remained:
- Yamato
- Carrot
- Momonosuke
- Tama
- Marco
Now, it's time to sort THOSE out.
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To do that. I wondered.. What is the best way to see which character is the closest to the recruitment while being as fair as possible.
I choosed to do that with a point system. Those point would be given to each characters without any bias on fundamental parameters that each strawhat are sharing. Now.. why those parameters specifically ?
Because EACH ONE OF THEM is imperative for Oda to have a good narration and good storylines for different reasons. I called those "the 10 pillars" (in fact there is 11 but I wanted a round number, more catchy. Here is a link to my blog to follow this explanations (I won't detail everything here). Let's see that:
I - THE QUIRK
This first parameter is very basic. It's based on the fact that One Piece is an action comedy shonen and so each characters have some kind of comedy to them. Sometimes it's really low, but others it's very pronounced. If we look at the strawhats, we can see that each of them have what we can call a "Quirk" a specific running gag associated to their character.
Like I said, this parameters is essential for Oda, it's what brings comedy to the strawhat crew. A future recruit MUST have a quirk.
I gave it one point because it's quite common and it's only 1 parameter.
II - THE FIGHTING SKILL
This one is obvious too. A future strawhat needs to be able to defend themself. It's imperative in a situation of war. When we analyse the fightings abilities of the strawhats, we can see that there is a pattern. each one of them have a special capacity/fighting skill and each one of them have multiple combos. (named attacks). One Piece is a shonen, that gender has codes, writting a character with those two parameters is therefore essential.
I gave it 2 points because there are 2 parameters
III - THE ANTAGONISTIC INTRODUCTION
This is not something as obvious as the two previous parameters, but again, this is an essential part of the storytelling of the strawhats. An antagonistic introduction doesn't mean that the strawhat must look like an ennemy in his introduction. It means that Oda is putting an extra care to make the future strawhats look more charismatic than the average and most of the time it's result in a panel or more where said character is in the shadow, in a dark place, or just sometimes a real ennemy.
This is essential to the narration because a future strawhat must impact the reader at first sight. Every strawhat introduction or encounter with the crew must be very memorable. This is where the antagonistic introduction comes into play.
Again, you will find example on the article of the same name on my blog.
I gave it two points because we are entering the realm of storytelling. It's becoming a little bit more important.
IV - THE MULTI LAYERED CHARACTERIZATION
This is basically "a good characterization" . The multilayered characterization is not a "needed" parameter it's a parameter that is a symptome of the writing from Oda on a character. In other words, Oda will ALWAYS puts a little bit more focus on an important character, strawhats included.
Therefore, because of the multi layered characterization, we can see in the future strawhat a very LARGE range of emotion and/or development that we can see in other characters (some main arc characters included)
I choose to take this one as a parameters because it's a must have for a strawhat. A strawhat can't become relevant if he has just one range of emotion.
Because we are entering foundamental parameters here, I ajusted the points with 3 points for that category.
V - SYMBOLIC REACH
Here, we are entering deeper into the analysis of the story.
When we look closer at the work of Oda, we witness something exceptionnal. A lot of characters have multiple layers of inspirations and symbolic reach. This is because Oda loves to search for inspirations in pop or ancient cultures but there is another reason:
A good "symbolic reach" propels the story into a legendary hight and the same times it can make the character VERY memorable. This is therefore an essential parameter that each future strawhat must have.
There is parameters in this category so I gave this Pillar 4 points.
VI - A STRONG CHARACTER ARC
Here is one very important parameters. A strong character arc is IMPERATIVE for a strawhat to be recruited (not to join the crew), because this is what created the basis for everything the character will fight for and against during the rest of the story.
A character arc is created by two main things:
- A strong challenge that will make the future strawhat struggle on a mental level
- A choice. This is the choice that will put the strawhat on the traks of the crew and Luffy. For example it's Robinscreaming "I want to live"
Again, a character arc is essential so it also gets 4 points.
VII - THE HINT OF A RECRUTMENT
This parameter might be the less obvious one. This is in short, the bond created between the crew and Luffy. With an analysis of each strawhat's story, we see that ALL OF THEM share a special bond with them in four different category:
- A great time spent with the crew
- A great help to the crew and Luffy
- A LOT of interactions with the crew and Luffy
- A meaningfull interaction with Luffy (in other word a emotionnal and strong interaction with him, a discussion doesn't count), it's for example the blood share between Luffy and Jinbe.
Those 4 parameters are essential to make the future strawhat feel "integrated" to the crew and they are always developped during an entire arc or more.
Because there is 4 parameters here, this pillar gets 4 points.
VIII - THE HINT OF THREE DRIVING FORCES
This parameter is the most difficult to understand because this parameters is the one reason behind the statetment that Backstories are only necessary when they are needed.
I can't explain in detail this parameters here, you will find it on my blog. But you have to understand that without 3 driving forces a strawhat is not a good character, it's a shallow one. So it's IMPERATIVE that EACH future strawhat needs to have at least HINTS that these driving forces are gonna be developped.
Because of the importance of the parameter (you will understand by reading CAREFULLY the article on my blog) this parameters gets 5 points. And yes.. both Carrot and yamato have FULL points on this one.
IX - THE POST
Here, I will avoid the disrespect consisting in explaning why having a post in the strawhat crew is essential from a character standpoint. You should understand that by yourself.
This parameter - for obvious - reason is primordial to see if a cahracter is hinted to be a future strawhat, so it will get 5 point also. (in fact this is not surprising that people here are trying undermine Carrot as a look out, because when we look at it.. Carrot is the only one who will get points here and she will also be the only one to get points in the next parameter as it is related to the post.. and you guyz know that)
X - THE SHINING NAKAMA ACTION
Here is the parameter that people are fighting the most. According to this forum, I invented something here. The thing is.. this can't be farthest from the truth and a quick analysis of the story can prove that.
During the entire story, we can see that there are very specific moment when the character shine brightly. But they do not shine only because of their action, but also because this action is related to their post.
You can check in the story, this kind of "amazing action" is only reserved to the strawhats. Usually it take one or two pages max, but can sometimes take an entire chapter.
This action will be decisive and will usually save one or more strawhat from death.
This is the cherry on top. This parameter is ESSENTIAL for Oda as it ciment the character not only as a strong protagonist, but as an amazing worker in the post.
Because this is mostly a deal breaker, I gave that Pillar 6 points.
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Now.. with all of that.. I could easily conclude on a victory for Carrot. But at the end.. I wanted to be as fair as possible. And even if the aspect of the following parameter is debatable in the storyline, I choosed to put it anyway:
XI - THE RESCUE
In the story. Luffy saved in one form or another, ALL the strawhat from an oppressor. This can be seen as essential as Luffy will create a life changing dept in the mind of the future strawhat and will change his life forever.
Because I wanted to be as fair as possible. And because this is a very important parameter. I gave this pillar..
10 points.
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IN CONCLUSION
Everything I talked about were ESSENTIAL parameters for either the story or the characters. Without the seven rules or the 11 pillars.. A strawhat is not a "real" strawhat, he will always appear shallow. (and this is one of the reason why Carrot feels shallow to most of you: her strong character didn't happened yet, but you have to understand that it was hinted so it WILL) Those rules and Pillars are what make the strawhat crew so unique. They are non negociable. They are a necessity !
But..
The pillar are only a necessity for a recrutment not for the character to simply join the crew. This is why I used the point system. To give each characters a chance despite their place in the story.
The result might be surprising for you, but it's really the most objective things we can do if we analyse the story correctely.
Carrot is closer to the thrown. Does it mean that she will stay that way ? No. In fact Momo wasn't always at second place, he was first behind Yamato.. then had a strong development in Onigashima..
You need to understand that until wano is over...
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
So even if I think that Yamato will not become a strawhat, I will keep updating that point system if she is - for exemple - introduced with the capacities of a post or has a strong character arc with a strong choice to make.
For the same reason, you need to understand that Carrot is VERY CLOSE to a full victory. What she really need can be developped in only one chapter.. and there are HINTS that something is on the way as I explained earlier.
So.. I understand that you guyz don't like Carrot..
But think twice before saying that I use headcanon. I do not show off when I say that I worked hard to understand the story...
I'm no joke, that's why I call myself an analyst. And if you keep underestimating me.. you will end up having BIG surprises.
This is called a "hint" or in other simple words: a setup. This can be recognized by the fact that this sentence was not a necessity in that situation.
Furthermore: The fact that Carrot said "I will fight for you too Pedro" is ALSO a hint.
Of course there is. Both is the story and symbolically.
- Because of those words from Pedro and the words from Carrot in chapter 995
- Because of the fact that she is a Kingsbird, symbolically being the character going through day and night
- And the simple fact that she is a rabbit. Spoiler: Rabbits are crepuscular. Meaning that they are most active at dusk and DAWN.
Here, three things already debunking your lie.
This is literally a hint that the will is being passed on.. you are not reading One Piece here.
Indeed, like Nami had no purpose going with Luffyor Robin (her Dream being crushed) or Usopp. Irrelevant argument. A purpose can come after a long period of time.
I can see a lot more hints than that.. strange:
- Carrot being completely overwhelm by her Trip
- Pedro's words
- Perospero's words
- Carrot talking about Zombie
- Carrot talking about adventure
- Carrot talking about fighting for Pedro
Etc..
THere is a lot of hint and Shadows preparing the purpose of Carrot through Whole cake but also Wano.
Carrot is bound to develop a purpose. I doesn't mean this will have something to do with the dawn, it doesn't mean it has to be obvious. It means that it WILL happen.
The relationship between Pedro and Carrot was clear. Carrot was her mentor. THere is no need for a extensive backstory when there is no need for one. You didn't see Oda taking 4 chapters on Usopp's backstory. The simple fact that his mom died was enough to trigger him. That's the same thing with Carrot. In fact we had more development between Carrot and Pedro than with Usopp and his mom. And that... is narrative fact. And a proof that your argument is Irrelevant.
He did what was necessary, no need for more. It would be useless and bad writing.
I just proved to you that Oda didn't change anything. There is just strawhat with a much stronger development than others. Accept it.
It's not. Minks have jumping abilities or can use their body to fly like Pedro.. but Carrot has an INHERENT capacity to float. It's part of her design. It has nothing to do with some body skill. Carrot's electro is not unique.. but it can become unique.. in fact... Carrot is the only mink who was shown to be creative with Electro with her Electrical Luna.
Not at all. Pedro wanted to fight first. Like with Eggman, Pedro only used Explosives as a last ressource. No wonder some of you guyz thing Perospero is not responsible here.. you have completely twisted Pedro's action.
Like Stan Lee said very well: "It's my story, if I want a character to win, they will".. It's the same for Oda. Carrot's potential will be as powerfull as Oda need it to be.
SO this is an interpretation then not a fact.
And ? Same thing.
And this was mentionned for a reason. Go figure.
We don't know what are the parental links between Wanda and Carrot. We can't invent something we don't know.oda didn't need to have Carrot be a Ruler's bird.
It doesn't, it was shown during whole cake. It's not deep, but it was simple enough for everyone to understand. And at the same level of some realtionship between the strawhat and their own moral Pillar
Yeah.. no. Onigashima is still part of wano.
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You see, the problem with you guyz and most of the fanbase in fact, is that Oda wrote a story worth analysing.
So.. fans started to analyse... without any knowledge of the craft.. And the problem here is that those fan (you guyz included) have been nourrishing eachothers with those analysis. You have been told for so many years that there was rules in One Piece, for exemple that Oda was hidding some numerology inside the chapters number or that he was respecting a strong pattern (dream/Backstory/Tragedy etc.)
And NEVER those affirmations have been critically criticized from a sceptikal mindset.
Result: We have in the fanbase an entire group of pure conspiracy theorist, a group that thinks they are making theory when they are just making hypothesis or guesses, groups that are fighting over powerscaling principles that doesn't exist and groups like here in Worst gen, that are so bias toward a character and the affirmations of the fanbase concerning the so called "rules" that Oda is putting in his story, that the moment someone tells them that the story is not functionning like they think it is...
They are either panicking, trying to prove wrong or insulting that person.
The problem you see.. is that all those groups are wrong.. and the story will ALWAYS prove them wrong. Why ? Because that's not how the story works.
If there is backstories, tragedies, desires, dreams, powers, actions, mentors, flashbacks, prophecies, hints and setups.... it's not because those are "pattern" that Oda magically thought of One day and decided to follow to make his story coherent...
.. it's because EACH of those things have a PURPOSE in the story.
In others words, when those things are not needed, they don't need to be in the story, period.
Now let's go back to my blog shall we and let's see why I choose not to take every so called fanbase "rules": First with the beginning, the first round of recruitment, when I sorted every characters to take only 5 at the end:
I choose to based my first sorting on seven rule. I had only one principle: to be the most objective and functionnal possible. Meaning that those 7 rules where made in a way that they were a ABSOLUTE necessity to be recruited from a storytelling standpoint:
1. Being alive.
This rule speaks for itself, and I think we all agree that ghost don't exist in One Piece. The only way to come back would be through a devil fruit.. meaning that the character would be alive EVEN while being dead. Meaning in short that it could interact with the word of living.
Simple, efficient. With that rule you can already scratch a lot of character from Whitebeard to Hiluluk.
2. Being relevant to the story.
This parameters was made to scratch out any background characters like the mayers of Windmill village for exemple. This rule states that the character needs to:
- Have already been presented in the story
- Have had some emotional relevancy to the story
- Have had a good amount of paneltime/dialogue
- Have had at least one interaction with one member of the crew
And with that, a lot of characters are out. Background one. And yes Carrot passes this test easily narratively, only a blind mind would say the opposite.
3. The character must be unique and have a unique ability.
Here, the rule is NOT that the character must be unique in the entirerity of the story. It means that AMONG the strawhats, the character must stands out from a desgin standpoint and from an ability stand point.
Why this rule ?
The strawhats are all build different as the Sunny represent a shiop of diversity. Because of that, each one of them must be able to shine on his own and there must be no repeat. If it was the case,said strawhat would be less relevant.
The principle is simple: A unique design and a unique ability.
With this, you can scratch a lot of background AND main characters. For example Mihawk is too close to Zoro, there is no fundamental difference in the ability. At the difference of Brook where the skeletton is not fighting only with a sword, but with his devil fruit.
This parameter might seem less important, but it is fundamental.
4. The character must be free from faction duty and/or independant
With that parameters we are entering a little deeper into the recrutment. A cahracter must be ABLE to go on an adventure. This is imperative.
So it means that the character must be able to leave their faction without to much of a consequences. That's why captains like Law or Bonnie or Kid, who never expressed the need to go on an adventure are NOT good candidate and never will be (until they express at least a glimps of self questionning about their position)
5. The character must be a friend or a false adversary
I explained clearly why this rule was necessary on my blog.Let me copy paste that:
The crew is the representation of a family, or at least, this is Luffy's one. Because of that, each strawhats are and need to be relatable. Luffy can't accept someone he can't trust or can't forgive. That's why the future recruit must be at least a false adversary on the verge of betraying the ennemy and must have never done something unforgivable.
That is also why characters like Ceasar or Enel are definitely not good candidate to join the crew. Here are some argument people tends to make to defend the chances of those two:
- "Oda said that an ennemy will probably join the crew". At jump festa 2009, Oda supposedly made this statement : "They will make a former boss a comrade and head to the new world". Well, the story was heading toward Impel Down at the time so it safe to say that Oda was most likely talking about Jinbe.
- "Redemption can always happen" Hm, yes it can. But there are rules to make a good redemption arc arc work in a story:
But there is another parameter that can be juxtaposed to death: Suffering. In some cases, suffering can be seen as something even more serious than death. Suffering makes people cry, suffering - in One Piece - can be traumatizing. That is why a character who willingly made a lot of people suffer can't have a complete redemption arc
B. There is another rule in storytelling, for a redemption arc to happen, it must have been shadowed first! That is why people like Franky and Robin weren't portrayed as complete antagonist. For a good redemption arc to happen, we needed to have at least doubts about them.
The third argument often come with the mention of Crocodile. People tends to think that because Crocodile allowed himself to follow Luffy for a while, an antagonist could follow Luffy on the Sunny. but there is a catch to this argument, it doesn't take into consideration the fact that the arrangement between the two protagonist was nothing but alliance, never friendship and it ignores the most important thing : Luffy never trusted Crocodile. Why should he ? The man made Vivi and his friends suffer.
So, after all that, there is but one conclusion : Ceasar and Enel will never be forgiven by Luffy. After all, both made his friends and allies suffer to an unforgivable point. And all of this without the fact that adding to the crew a genocidal maniac and slave owner or a guy who abused children by giving them drugs.. would be an horrible stand from Oda as a writer.
In other words. Oda can't recruit a bad guy, this is not DragonBall Z. Bad actions have consequences. But he can recruit someone who APPEARS like a bad guy. This is why the next recruit must AT LEAST be a false adversary. In narrative term it means that the characters must have shown sign/friendship acts. (Like Robin saving Luffy from the sandpool)
6. The character must be looking and acting towards adventure
Vivi proved one thing narratively: It's that if your hearth is not turned toward adventure or free... you can't become a strawhat.
For that reason it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY that a strawhat must be able to go on an adventure before being recruted.
With that, you can scratch out characters like Katakuri, Chopper and Puddings.
Characters that have expressed the need to change their environment, but from the inside. Not the outside and therefore are not ready for departure.
7. The character must have a moral Pillar.
Finally the last rule I choosed is that the character must have someone to rely on in case of moral needs. This character will become the "PILLAR" of the conscience of our future strawhat.
Now why is this rule so important ?
Because inherited will is one of the most IMPORTANT theme of One Piece. Oda is hammering every arc that if you can move, it's because another personn pushed you first and is still in your hearth when you need them.
So, when the character is in difficulty.. the moral pillar becomes imperative. Their NEEDS to be someone behind each strawhats.
Now... I will be honest.
At the first prototype of that rule, I thought that I needed to stay true to what a real moral pillar is in One Piece, inother word, I was thinking about a character who pushed PERSONNALLY the future strawhat, but also lost something in the process (you can check, it happens everytime)
The problem..
At this step of my sorting.. only TWO characters fitted that rule : Carrot and Momonosuke.
So in order to be extra fair with Yamato and in order to put a little more challenge: I scratched that factor. Leaving the moral Pillar only as someone who pushed the character and is remembered for it.
So here you go. Seven rule. ALL imperative to the narrative. There is no "your headcanon" in this. This is what an objectif sorting really looks like.
At the end (and you can check for yourself with every characters in One Piece) only 5 characters remained:
- Yamato
- Carrot
- Momonosuke
- Tama
- Marco
Now, it's time to sort THOSE out.
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To do that. I wondered.. What is the best way to see which character is the closest to the recruitment while being as fair as possible.
I choosed to do that with a point system. Those point would be given to each characters without any bias on fundamental parameters that each strawhat are sharing. Now.. why those parameters specifically ?
Because EACH ONE OF THEM is imperative for Oda to have a good narration and good storylines for different reasons. I called those "the 10 pillars" (in fact there is 11 but I wanted a round number, more catchy. Here is a link to my blog to follow this explanations (I won't detail everything here). Let's see that:
I - THE QUIRK
This first parameter is very basic. It's based on the fact that One Piece is an action comedy shonen and so each characters have some kind of comedy to them. Sometimes it's really low, but others it's very pronounced. If we look at the strawhats, we can see that each of them have what we can call a "Quirk" a specific running gag associated to their character.
Like I said, this parameters is essential for Oda, it's what brings comedy to the strawhat crew. A future recruit MUST have a quirk.
I gave it one point because it's quite common and it's only 1 parameter.
II - THE FIGHTING SKILL
This one is obvious too. A future strawhat needs to be able to defend themself. It's imperative in a situation of war. When we analyse the fightings abilities of the strawhats, we can see that there is a pattern. each one of them have a special capacity/fighting skill and each one of them have multiple combos. (named attacks). One Piece is a shonen, that gender has codes, writting a character with those two parameters is therefore essential.
I gave it 2 points because there are 2 parameters
III - THE ANTAGONISTIC INTRODUCTION
This is not something as obvious as the two previous parameters, but again, this is an essential part of the storytelling of the strawhats. An antagonistic introduction doesn't mean that the strawhat must look like an ennemy in his introduction. It means that Oda is putting an extra care to make the future strawhats look more charismatic than the average and most of the time it's result in a panel or more where said character is in the shadow, in a dark place, or just sometimes a real ennemy.
This is essential to the narration because a future strawhat must impact the reader at first sight. Every strawhat introduction or encounter with the crew must be very memorable. This is where the antagonistic introduction comes into play.
Again, you will find example on the article of the same name on my blog.
I gave it two points because we are entering the realm of storytelling. It's becoming a little bit more important.
IV - THE MULTI LAYERED CHARACTERIZATION
This is basically "a good characterization" . The multilayered characterization is not a "needed" parameter it's a parameter that is a symptome of the writing from Oda on a character. In other words, Oda will ALWAYS puts a little bit more focus on an important character, strawhats included.
Therefore, because of the multi layered characterization, we can see in the future strawhat a very LARGE range of emotion and/or development that we can see in other characters (some main arc characters included)
I choose to take this one as a parameters because it's a must have for a strawhat. A strawhat can't become relevant if he has just one range of emotion.
Because we are entering foundamental parameters here, I ajusted the points with 3 points for that category.
V - SYMBOLIC REACH
Here, we are entering deeper into the analysis of the story.
When we look closer at the work of Oda, we witness something exceptionnal. A lot of characters have multiple layers of inspirations and symbolic reach. This is because Oda loves to search for inspirations in pop or ancient cultures but there is another reason:
A good "symbolic reach" propels the story into a legendary hight and the same times it can make the character VERY memorable. This is therefore an essential parameter that each future strawhat must have.
There is parameters in this category so I gave this Pillar 4 points.
VI - A STRONG CHARACTER ARC
Here is one very important parameters. A strong character arc is IMPERATIVE for a strawhat to be recruited (not to join the crew), because this is what created the basis for everything the character will fight for and against during the rest of the story.
A character arc is created by two main things:
- A strong challenge that will make the future strawhat struggle on a mental level
- A choice. This is the choice that will put the strawhat on the traks of the crew and Luffy. For example it's Robinscreaming "I want to live"
Again, a character arc is essential so it also gets 4 points.
VII - THE HINT OF A RECRUTMENT
This parameter might be the less obvious one. This is in short, the bond created between the crew and Luffy. With an analysis of each strawhat's story, we see that ALL OF THEM share a special bond with them in four different category:
- A great time spent with the crew
- A great help to the crew and Luffy
- A LOT of interactions with the crew and Luffy
- A meaningfull interaction with Luffy (in other word a emotionnal and strong interaction with him, a discussion doesn't count), it's for example the blood share between Luffy and Jinbe.
Those 4 parameters are essential to make the future strawhat feel "integrated" to the crew and they are always developped during an entire arc or more.
Because there is 4 parameters here, this pillar gets 4 points.
VIII - THE HINT OF THREE DRIVING FORCES
This parameter is the most difficult to understand because this parameters is the one reason behind the statetment that Backstories are only necessary when they are needed.
I can't explain in detail this parameters here, you will find it on my blog. But you have to understand that without 3 driving forces a strawhat is not a good character, it's a shallow one. So it's IMPERATIVE that EACH future strawhat needs to have at least HINTS that these driving forces are gonna be developped.
Because of the importance of the parameter (you will understand by reading CAREFULLY the article on my blog) this parameters gets 5 points. And yes.. both Carrot and yamato have FULL points on this one.
IX - THE POST
Here, I will avoid the disrespect consisting in explaning why having a post in the strawhat crew is essential from a character standpoint. You should understand that by yourself.
This parameter - for obvious - reason is primordial to see if a cahracter is hinted to be a future strawhat, so it will get 5 point also. (in fact this is not surprising that people here are trying undermine Carrot as a look out, because when we look at it.. Carrot is the only one who will get points here and she will also be the only one to get points in the next parameter as it is related to the post.. and you guyz know that)
X - THE SHINING NAKAMA ACTION
Here is the parameter that people are fighting the most. According to this forum, I invented something here. The thing is.. this can't be farthest from the truth and a quick analysis of the story can prove that.
During the entire story, we can see that there are very specific moment when the character shine brightly. But they do not shine only because of their action, but also because this action is related to their post.
You can check in the story, this kind of "amazing action" is only reserved to the strawhats. Usually it take one or two pages max, but can sometimes take an entire chapter.
This action will be decisive and will usually save one or more strawhat from death.
This is the cherry on top. This parameter is ESSENTIAL for Oda as it ciment the character not only as a strong protagonist, but as an amazing worker in the post.
Because this is mostly a deal breaker, I gave that Pillar 6 points.
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Now.. with all of that.. I could easily conclude on a victory for Carrot. But at the end.. I wanted to be as fair as possible. And even if the aspect of the following parameter is debatable in the storyline, I choosed to put it anyway:
XI - THE RESCUE
In the story. Luffy saved in one form or another, ALL the strawhat from an oppressor. This can be seen as essential as Luffy will create a life changing dept in the mind of the future strawhat and will change his life forever.
Because I wanted to be as fair as possible. And because this is a very important parameter. I gave this pillar..
10 points.
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IN CONCLUSION
Everything I talked about were ESSENTIAL parameters for either the story or the characters. Without the seven rules or the 11 pillars.. A strawhat is not a "real" strawhat, he will always appear shallow. (and this is one of the reason why Carrot feels shallow to most of you: her strong character didn't happened yet, but you have to understand that it was hinted so it WILL) Those rules and Pillars are what make the strawhat crew so unique. They are non negociable. They are a necessity !
But..
The pillar are only a necessity for a recrutment not for the character to simply join the crew. This is why I used the point system. To give each characters a chance despite their place in the story.
The result might be surprising for you, but it's really the most objective things we can do if we analyse the story correctely.
Carrot is closer to the thrown. Does it mean that she will stay that way ? No. In fact Momo wasn't always at second place, he was first behind Yamato.. then had a strong development in Onigashima..
You need to understand that until wano is over...
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
So even if I think that Yamato will not become a strawhat, I will keep updating that point system if she is - for exemple - introduced with the capacities of a post or has a strong character arc with a strong choice to make.
For the same reason, you need to understand that Carrot is VERY CLOSE to a full victory. What she really need can be developped in only one chapter.. and there are HINTS that something is on the way as I explained earlier.
So.. I understand that you guyz don't like Carrot..
But think twice before saying that I use headcanon. I do not show off when I say that I worked hard to understand the story...
I'm no joke, that's why I call myself an analyst. And if you keep underestimating me.. you will end up having BIG surprises.
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