General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

No since your baloney concept is structured around Carrot instead of analysing previous actual Strawhat recruitments..

So you did not read to what a Shining Nakama is .. at all then.

What's the point explaining something to someone who is convinced you are wrong before you discuss...

Sigh.. That exactly what I was talking about when I say that there is no rationnality here.

 

[Monkey D Al]

This is why I'm not talking about proof anymore but "the best analysis possible". In short, the best theory possible. The same way a cosmological theory can sometimes only approach reality by numbers.

That's what I'm doing here. My knowledge is the science, the narrative reasonning are the numbers. Simple as that.




The same way, the story elements points toward Carrot joining the strawhat.




The same way some have to create theorems, functions, experimentations. Neologisms are just words. What those words are describing is real. I'm only doing something NO ONE did until now. It's not about bias, it's about process. And I already proved that I had no bias in my process. If you want me to copy paste the entire post I made yesterday to do that, I can, but I'm not sure that you read it the first time so I won't bet on a second.

I'm a expert in the field, and right now, I'm the ONLY expert in the field that CARED to dive deeper in the analysis of the storytelling One Piece. So trust, me, you won't find no reliable consensus on the subject. Plus, the actual "consensus" is like the church defending the Geocentricmodel in front of Gallileo.. IT's not rationnal, it's a cult as I explained here:



So you will excuse me if I don't find the actual consensus reliable on a rationnal and narrative level.







Wrong. SHe has been relevant to the point of an arc character is relevant : Rebecca / Kyros / Shiraoshi / Vivi / Wiper etc..

This is not "to the point of the strawhat", if that was the case, Yamato would have some strong strawhats qualities : A post, a strong dynamic with the crew. This is not the reality of the story



Only to you and some members here. I can assure you that a lot of people think the opposite. It's not a good argument.




There is. In fact I would go as far as saying that the Shining Nakama action of Carrot is one of the strongest exemple of this principle as it is one of the longest.

Bro when wano is over and Carrot hasn’t joined, I advise you to change careers. Cuz apparently you are not that good.

 

[Logiko]

Bro when wano is over and Carrot hasn’t joined, I advise you to change careers. Cuz apparently you are not that good.

 

[Rootbeer]

So you did not read to what a Shining Nakama is .. at all then.

What's the point explaining something to someone who is convinced you are wrong before you discuss...

Sigh.. That exactly what I was talking about when I say that there is no rationnality here.

Carrot had one shining moment in the whole series and that was not a " Nakama action " or whatever..

 

[Logiko]

Carrot had one shining moment in the whole series and that was not a " Nakama action " or whatever..

It was. but to understand that, you must understand what a Shining Nakama action is, it's not a regular shining moment

 

[Akai2]

 

[Rootbeer]

It was. but to understand that, you must understand what a Shining Nakama action is, it's not a regular shining moment

When you're insignificant in your introduction arc and most of the manga a background character..
When you need help from the enemy, help from Brook and can only be useful once a month for a couple minutes then you need to lay down or your special moment can be done better and faster by Jinbei, it's a regular shining moment..

 

[Logiko]

When you're insignificant in your introduction arc and most of the manga a background character..
When you need help from the enemy, help from Brook and can only be useful once a month for a couple minutes then you need to lay down or your special moment can be done better and faster by Jinbei, it's a regular shining moment..

You don't understand what a shining Nakama action is, you don't even want to know what it is. So you don't get to say "it's not it".. Your argument is therefore irrelevant (plus it's wrong, your reasonning a a fallacy (it's precisely because Carrot used the ennemy as a weapon that this moment was so impactfull) and I already demonstrated that none of the strawhat could ahve done that as fast) so .. still wrong.

 

[Rootbeer]

You don't understand what a shining Nakama action is, you don't even want to know what it is. So you don't get to say "it's not it".. Your argument is therefore irrelevant (plus it's wrong, your reasonning a a fallacy (it's precisely because Carrot used the ennemy as a weapon that this moment was so impactfull) and I already demonstrated that none of the strawhat could ahve done that as fast) so .. still wrong.

Is that how it works in your head, Carrot used the enemy as a weapon..

You didn't demonstrate jack shit Jinbei is between 1st mate and Admiral level under water..

Sentry is meaningless Jinbei, Sanji, Brook, Robin, Usopp, Franky and Luffy can do that... It's just going on another nearby ship and wrecking havoc..

 

[Logiko]

Is that how it works in your head, Carrot used the enemy as a weapon.

That's literally what happened.

You didn't demonstrate jack shit Jinbei is between 1st mate and Admiral level under water..

LMAO admiral level.. Yeah.. You just lost it

Sentry is meaningless Jinbei, Sanji, Brook, Robin, Usopp, Franky and Luffy can do that... It's just going on another nearby ship and wrecking havoc..

nah, not as efficiently. ;) But I already demosntrated this, I won't come back to that, it would only be repeating something to someone who don't want to listen.

 

[Animangaboy]

That's literally what happened.

So her doing that, makes her a crewmate material?

 

[Monkey D Al]

That's literally what happened.




LMAO admiral level.. Yeah.. You just lost it




nah, not as efficiently. ;) But I already demosntrated this, I won't come back to that, it would only be repeating something to someone who don't want to listen.

Seriously man, when this is over and Carrot doesn’t join. It means you were wrong and all you life's work was meaningless. Even if Yamato doesn’t join to me it’s not a big deal. A lot of characters haven’t joined that I liked. I wanted Reiju to join didn’t happen. But you dedicate so much of your time and life to the wrong cause. I actually feel sorry for you. There was a time I just wanted to troll you.
but know it’s just SAD,do you need a SMILEY?

 

[Logiko]

So her doing that, makes her a crewmate material?

Now.. there is a very huge problem with your argumentation (but also with the argumentation of most Yamato fans here".. It's that your vision is only focused on one argument at a time.


Let me show you what I face with you guyz:


Me: "Carrot has every qualities to be a good look-out as I have demonstrated"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhats only because she has the capacity for the look out post is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has every quality to be a strawhat starting with the crew dynamic that is extremmely powerful"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she is friends with Chopper Nami brook and Sanji is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has the perfect characterization to be a strawhat from her huge symbolism background to her character to her vision of life and adventure"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she loves adventure and is naive is dumb."

Me: "Carrot has almost every parameters that Backstory usually gives to the strawhats, therefore we can consider that she won't need one. And it makes sence from a marketing standpoint."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat without backstory is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has a strong moral pillar in the character of Pedro, she lost a lot with his death, this adds depth to her character and her purpose"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because of a so called tragedy is dumb."

Me: "Carrot demonstrated what I call a shining Nakama action, those type of action only appears for the strawhats, they are the perfect mix of their capacity for their job and their character. Those actions are decisives to spot a strawhat."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because she used Sulong is dumb"

Me: "Carrot has been written really strangely in the story, she was not written really as a protagonist, but not as a background character either. Their is strange something behind this narrative artefact.. as if Oda was purposely keeping her in the shadow while developping her..."
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because Oda focused on her on one chapter is dumb. Carrot is irrelevant."

Me: "Carrot's defeat has been written like a challenge to the character. The words of Perospero is showing us that Odaprepared that defeat from the moment she jumped on the ship.. this defeat will therefore surely leads to something important relating to her vision of piracy and the sea in general"
Contradictor: "Thinking that Carrot is the next strawhat only because Perospero is talking to her is dumb. You are overanalysing. Carrot took an L. Oda told us clearly that Carrot was irrelevant by making Perospero say that Carrot should eat grass."

Me: "Carrot is.."
Contradictor: "You are dumb and you think you are better than us"

Me: "Carrot has been constructing clearly as a strawhats"
Contradictor: "See how dumb you are, you just made a grammar mistake, nobody takes you seriously"

-- This

Is everyday on this forum. Sometimes from multiple person at once. But as I HOPE you can see.. the problem is not in the provocation...

It is with the two words "only because".

For some reason, some of you guyz are unable to understand that a theory doesn't hold only on one argument at a time.

A theory is an addition of evidences! You can't just take one argument, and expect that this argument alone will holds the theory.

My CarrotForNakama theory is TWENTY TWO articles long on my blog!!! And I'm only at 75 % !!! This is work. This is multiple evidences. I do not believe that Carrot will become a strawhat only because she can jump high..

I believe that she will become a strawhat because this is one of DOZENS of parameters !

Start to udnerstand that what makes Carrot a strawhat is not one argument, it's multiple. Just like what make Yamato a bad candidate is not one argument, it MULTIPLE ones.

Seriously man, when this is over and Carrot doesn’t join. It means you were wrong and all you life's work was meaningless

The CarrotForNakama theory is not my life's works lol. This is only 1% of my power

:cheers:

Don't forget that I'm not personnaly invested in the outcome of this. SO wether I'm right or wrong, I'll only get benefits..

Now imagine what I can do when I take things personnally

 

[Monkey D Al]

Start to udnerstand that what makes Carrot a strawhat is not one argument, it's multiple. Just like what make Yamato a bad candidate is not one argument, it MULTIPLE ones.




The CarrotForNakama theory is not my life's works lol. This is only 1% of my power

:cheers:

Don't forget that I'm not personnaly invested in the outcome of this. SO wether I'm right or wrong, I'll only get benefits..

Now imagine what I can do when I take things personnally

Yeah sure. Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Animangaboy]

Start to udnerstand that what makes Carrot a strawhat is not one argument, it's multiple. Just like what makes Yamato a bad candidate is not one argument, it MULTIPLE ones.

Hmmm I guess u are the only one who thinks Yamato is a bad candidate when Yamato has everything that made a strawhats meanwhile carrot just has a bond with the crew.

 

[Monkey D Al]

Hmmm I guess u are the only one who thinks Yamato is a bad candidate when Yamato has everything that made a strawhats meanwhile carrot just has a bond with the crew.

That guy thinks he is some kind of Story analyst savant. But he actually is just autistic. He definitely is on the spectrum.

 

[Logiko]

That guy thinks he is some kind of Story analyst savant. But he actually is just autistic. He definitely is on the spectrum.

There is nothing wrong with being autistic dude

 

[Billy D Williams]

@CarrotForNakama What makes Yamato a bad candidate?

 

[Monkey D Al]

There is nothing wrong with being autistic dude

Completely nothing wrong with it. Some of the best people I’ve ever met are autistic.

 

[Logiko]

@CarrotForNakama What makes Yamato a bad candidate?

- The fact that after 70 chapter we still don't have a introduction for a capacity to a post on the Sunny
- The fact that she had 0 dynamic with the crew beside helping Franky
- The fact that her story right now is completely turn toward Momo and Wano despite what she is saying about the sea
- The fact that her affirmation to Luffy "As Ace brother you should be giving me a ride on the ship" is most likely a subversion, meaning that when Yamato says I'll go with Luffy, Oda is actually planning the opposite.
- The fact that her treatment is closer to a main arc character than a strawhat (the way she is drawn, the way Kaido outline her presence)
- The fact that there is right now more probable candidate and that there will likely be only one spot
- The fact that despite her backstory, she has close to no character arc in the present as of yet.

I may have forgotten something, I don't know

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Completely nothing wrong with it. Some of the best people I’ve ever met are autistic.

So, why are you bringing it in a context where you are trying to contradict me?