Powers & Abilities Zoro and the Scabbards

[HA001]

Oh i agree

but the key thing is to look at how Zoro is definitely trying - especially given the situational context, and yet there Kyoshiro is just chuckling away, playing games - almost toying with Zoro

Its also just after he got a hole put in him.
Not to mention kawamatsu whose also on that level had a sneak attack blocked jumped away and has been a fanboy since.

 

[L o g i a]

Its also just after he got a hole put in him.
Not to mention kawamatsu whose also on that level had a sneak attack blocked jumped away and has been a fanboy since.

How is Kawamatsu relevant to Kyoshiro on the assumption he is Denjiro?

 

[KiriNigiri]

Mihawk's training > Old Rayleigh's

To be fair, Rayleigh could only teach so much to a non-swordsman like Luffy. Rayleigh could've been a fantastic teacher for Zoro as well.

 

[HA001]

How is Kawamatsu relevant to Kyoshiro on the assumption he is Denjiro?

He was put on the same level as the other 2.

 

[Finalbeta]

To be fair, Rayleigh could only teach so much to a non-swordsman like Luffy. Rayleigh could've been a fantastic teacher for Zoro as well.

Yes my point was just standing on my hypothesis that Zoro's training was more efficient overall :cheers: but was more of a joke I believe both were equally great trainings

 

[L o g i a]

He was put on the same level as the other 2.

nah - hes not - mid writing i remembered some of Kawa's interactions with Zoro and put him on par with, if not slightly above the Minks. I've edited the post.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

nah - hes not - mid writing i remembered some of Kawa's interactions with Zoro and put him on par with, if not slightly above the Minks. I've edited the post.

He was just as hyped up as Denjiro and Ashura Doji. What makes him weaker than them? Another case of matching up with Zoro lowering power levels?

 

[L o g i a]

He was just as hyped up as Denjiro and Ashura Doji. What makes him weaker than them? Another case of matching up with Zoro lowering power levels?

I dunno dude

Can you see Zoro or Kawamatsu replicating Ashura Dojis feats? I can't. Not yet anyway. Refer to my first post on page 4.

 

[Shura]

Luffy got blocked and sent underground by monet

yeah monet pushed him down.....guess you need to visit eye doctor....

Carrot almost bite his neck off

LoL....now we go so low to compare gags with real fights.....not surprising coming from your kind....then Zoro got neg diffed by Nami many times..

Hody almost killed him

no...hody didn't almost kill him...again Luffy was not unconscious in seconds unlike certain someone....guess you are not clever eneough to understand this and again spam "Hody almost killed him" whenever you run out of gas....

 

[Reborn]

Zoro got nailed by Hawkins, fainted against Killer and got shusui robbed. kawamatsu and shutenmaru are equal or above him. Maybe orochi will break Enma cuz Zoro aint worthy to wield it.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Yep that comment almost melted my brain.

 

[trav]

hitetsu: "the only person to ever tame it was oden"

few panels later
hitetsu: "you are getting used to it"

very subtle hints. I understand if some people miss them.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

hitetsu: "the only person to ever tame it was oden"

few panels later
hitetsu: "you are getting used to it"

very subtle hints. I understand if some people miss them.

Nah man, we don’t know if that’s true. We need to see panels of everyone in Wano trying it out.

Just like we need to see Mihawk beat every swordsman in the world but take WB and Kaido’s titles as gospel.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Zoro needs to match base jack in a fight first
Enma zoro >Ashura Dukes~>Kawa>

None of them is YC1 . Dukes and Ashura are base Javk level, while zoro is now clones cracker/hybrid Jack/awakened doffy level

 

[Ice devil slayer]

People still think that Ashura can béat Zoro ? Huh ?
Current Zoro after the training would murder him

 

[Jackteo]

For the time being:
Jack > Zoro > Ashura = Inuarashi = Nekomamushi > Kawamatsu > Kinemon >= Kiku > Raizou > Kanjuro

 

[nik87]

Easily above the scabbards and possibly superior to Oden. Zoro is just not used to the sword and when he gets around to it he will already replicate Oden's mastery over it, only remains to be seen who can make a bigger scar on the WSC.

Zoro's tier doesnt change at all due to Enma.

 

[Sade]

Easily above the scabbards and possibly superior to Oden. Zoro is just not used to the sword and when he gets around to it he will already replicate Oden's mastery over it, only remains to be seen who can make a bigger scar on the WSC.

Zoro's tier doesnt change at all due to Enma.

Not yet superior to Oden, post Wano Zoro Will be probably above him.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

I think the scabbards respected their master Oden too much to ever take up his sword. Remember the swords were to be given to Momo and Hiyori. It was up to those two to give them to someone else. It's not a matter of strength or anything like that.

Neko, Inu, and Ashura (Kawamatsu and Denijiro are also said to be equal to Ashura) seem to be the top dogs. Ashura and the Mink leaders straight up have better feats than Zoro. It's not insane to speculate they are indeed stronger than Zoro. Back at Zou and the beginning of wano anyways. What is certain is Zoro will be above them at the end of Wano.

 

[Geo]

This is not true. It stated that everyone who has tried to has been unable to. The scabbards, to our knowledge, would not betray Oden and try to take his sword, so it's VERY unlikely those guys even attempted such a feat unless Oden let them try while they were alive.

So you are trying to counter the claim with just an opinion? You would need to do better than that. I supported my claim with the manga factual statement.

Now, it is very likely Zoro is stronger than Kawamatsu, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi - given I think Zoro can push YC3 (being generous) whereas two of them had to 2v1 Jack. The problem comes when you look at Ashura Doji and Denjiro - the two strongest scabbards. IF these two are paired together, we can assume they're comparable in power (as they have been used to hype Oden's power)

I can't imagine Zoro doing this to Jack, let alone doing it as quickly as Ashura Doji did, until he masters Enma

Again most of this is just your opinion on how strong Zoro is. However the fact of the case is that he is the only one in Wano who has been able to tame the sword.

What you can imagine or not is irrelevant in this case.

You get the impression that Kyoshiro > Zoro here. So assuming that theory is true, Zoro is around the top scabbards for power right now but will surpass them when Enma is tamed

The panel shows 2 sword style Zoro who is weaker than 3 sword style so don't know how that helps your claim. Also Enma is already tamed which was stated in the chapter

YC4/YC3 now

YC1 or thereabouts

Basically
Raizo < Kanjuro < Kikunojo < Kin'emon < Nekomamushi = Inuarashi ~ Kawamatsu < Current Zoro < Denjiro (If he is Kyoshiro) ~ Ashura Doji < Mastered Enma Zoro

This is respectable