Spoiler One Piece Chapter 973 Spoilers Discussion

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Him struggling means nothing if he didn't grow. Luffy didn't learn anything new after fighting Doffy & Cracker. He defeated them with techniques he had from when the timeskip began.

It really doesn't matter if Zoro was secretly stronger than Luffy during Fishman island. It's irrelevant at this point since Luffy is far stronger now than he was then.
Imagine even thinking an underling came out stronger than his captain

Yeah right, luffy always had g4 since TS

Zoro just received Enma and trained
So anyone thinking Zoro was even around cracker/doffy since TS is tripping
Wano Zoro> DR Zoro /TS Zoro

So enough with all the crap "zoro came out stronger than Luffy"
Luffy didn't need any new PU to beat YC dudes like doffy/cracker, he already made G4 during TS
While Zoro and Sanji received PUs for YC tier dudes.

Current adHaki g4 luffy> G4 luffy ~ Enma Zoro>~ RS Sanji>Shishui Zoro>base Sanji
 

Fujishiro

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then we saw killer go up against him
the guy who supposedly fought kaido till he was out
didnt do much so the community doesnt rate him.
nothing we can do about that.
we have also seen law's limit.
You gotta remember that haki is directly correlates to willpower, killer was mindbroken and tortured to hell, and not using his usual weapons. It would be like giving maces to zoro or something. Despite that, zoro recognizes his strenght and they were fighting evenly for a while. And he even managed to injure zoro enough to make him faint while zoro did the same ofc. Both of them were nerfed ( zoro had 2 swords and was getting distracted) while killer was a shell of himself while not having his usual weapons. The killer that fought kaido isn’t the same killer( or should I say kamazou). I say wait and see healthy and normal killer with his weapons before casting judgment on him. It is kinda hypocritical how people excuse zoro but not killers predicament tho.
 

Sade

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g4

so suppose zoro had something like that presumably ashura
then zoro could have possibly taken out doffy himself
or close to it. it might pose some problems in why oda took the route he did.
Yep
G4 came out from Luffy's training and thanks to it was clearly above the ones of Dofla, Cracker etc...

Only Kata was the real deal, but He learned the technique in some hours so.
 

Fujishiro

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at the same token his training in udon wasnt extreme
I would argue it was a bigger powerup than at wci vs kat .
I wouldn’t say that, his training did nothing but slightly buff him up. His advanced coa training was a flop up until big mom( an intense situation) barged in and was threatening their lives which made luffy unconsciously use it to remove the cuffs
And the man learned future sight against kat, that’s not something you undersell haha.
 
You gotta remember that haki is directly correlates to willpower, killer was mindbroken and tortured to hell, and not using his usual weapons. It would be like giving maces to zoro or something. Despite that, zoro recognizes his strenght and they were fighting evenly for a while. And he even managed to injure zoro enough to make him faint while zoro did the same ofc. Both of them were nerfed ( zoro had 2 swords and was getting distracted) while killer was a shell of himself while not having his usual weapons. The killer that fought kaido isn’t the same killer( or should I say kamazou). I say wait and see healthy and normal killer with his weapons before casting judgment on him. It is kinda hypocritical how people excuse zoro but not killers predicament tho.
torture and mindbroken isnt exactly what happened or confirmed .
otoko , yasu ate smile.
neither were mindbroken but smiled all the time. hawkins seem to imply he was sent to orochi and did what he had to to save his captain . the bandages were another point that came up .
he only had them around his arms and face . one on his face came off in water , he was unscathed. not using his usual weapon is fine, but it could be an upgrade or a downgrade . we havent seen him fight post time skip till now. smile in no way makes you mindfucked or weaker. false narrative.
 

Fujishiro

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Damn so Zoro has basically already clashed with a YC level fighter. Also this basically confirms Zoro vs King is gonna be Zoro’s fight this arc, which is crazy cause YC1 is literally the last step before you reach top tier.
So now kyoshiro is yc level? I guess since he isn’t zoros opponent anymore and to fluff up zoros portrayal against king it must be done. I could’ve swore people were saying kyo was weaker than that before hmm.
 
Holy shit you guys are so addicted to powerlevels. I bet even Oda doesn’t know who is stronger between the scabbards, because he didn’t think much into it.
Lol you think Oda doesn’t know who’s stronger between scabbards ??? Cmon man quit underestimating him.

Oda has clearly shown us that Ashura, Denjiro and Kawamatsu are the strongest. These 3 I’d say are on YC level. The minks I’d say are YC level as well but not as strong as the 3 above.
 
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