General & Others Officially confirmed: Zoro is the vice captain
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Completely fake.
Vivre Card Databook stated that King is Kaido's Right Hand Man and the leader of the All Stars.
In the manga we were shown how Kaido chose Alber as his second in command because of his strength, giving him the name King for the very same reason.
Now if you know better than the official sources, well tell us that the One Piece is, we all are interested.
I'll still trust manga and databook panels and statements over the opinion of some guy on internet.
Vivre Card Databook stated that King is Kaido's Right Hand Man and the leader of the All Stars.
In the manga we were shown how Kaido chose Alber as his second in command because of his strength, giving him the name King for the very same reason.
Now if you know better than the official sources, well tell us that the One Piece is, we all are interested.
I'll still trust manga and databook panels and statements over the opinion of some guy on internet.
I've seen others say what you just said and tbh I don't get the difference if you call it vice captain or first mate.
Rayleigh in japanese is called fuku-senchou.
Unless I am mistaken having hear it tons of times in anime, putting the fuku before the word it means the person you are talking to is the second in command(E.x fuku-Kaichou = Vice president )
Since senchou means captain that would make Rayleigh the vice-captain.
If it is semantics because the term the vice captain, in English for pirates is "first mate" it doesn't really matter.
The japanese raw are in my first post here
Rayleigh in japanese is called fuku-senchou.
Unless I am mistaken having hear it tons of times in anime, putting the fuku before the word it means the person you are talking to is the second in command(E.x fuku-Kaichou = Vice president )
Since senchou means captain that would make Rayleigh the vice-captain.
If it is semantics because the term the vice captain, in English for pirates is "first mate" it doesn't really matter.
The japanese raw are in my first post here
I think Oda has given the distinction if you see Rayleigh's introduction.
Right hand and First mate(Vice captain) aren't the same ,hence he made Rayleigh be both The First mate and the Right hand.
There would be no reason to mention both.
Red-orange Vice-captain.
Green Right hand.
The world saw him as the right hand and that's why I think Oda put it inside quotation marks,while the Vice captain was his internal role in the crew.
Marco also has only the Right hand unless I missed it.
The colour spread is about the The Second strongest-the Right hands.
Right hand and First mate(Vice captain) aren't the same ,hence he made Rayleigh be both The First mate and the Right hand.
There would be no reason to mention both.
Red-orange Vice-captain.
Green Right hand.
The world saw him as the right hand and that's why I think Oda put it inside quotation marks,while the Vice captain was his internal role in the crew.
Marco also has only the Right hand unless I missed it.
The colour spread is about the The Second strongest-the Right hands.
You sound like non-binary people talking about Sex and Gender
that's so funny
that's so funny
Shiriew is the right hand of BB, but his rank is Captain of 2nd ship.
Beckman/Rayleigh are the only ones who have an official position as VC.
King already showed he has more authority than everyone when he ordered them all, even Queen followed the orders.
It dosnt matter if the crew never refers to Zoro as such in the end that is his title, Luffy never named his crew the Strawhat Pirates but the people in the OP verse called them that and the crew now proudly calls themselves the SHP, so why is it different for Zoro when the whole OP verse calls him the VC of the crew, why then do you think he himself wont start calling himself such?
It dosnt matter if the crew never refers to Zoro as such in the end that is his title, Luffy never named his crew the Strawhat Pirates but the people in the OP verse called them that and the crew now proudly calls themselves the SHP, so why is it different for Zoro when the whole OP verse calls him the VC of the crew, why then do you think he himself wont start calling himself such?
Languages aren't literal translations of each other. Only because your literal lecture of "fuku-senchou" can be translated to "vice-captain" doesn't mean that you should be using a word that doesn't exist in English for sailors instead of the proper "first mate".
It isn't semantics; it's speaking the actual language. Or are you translating shimauma as "striped horse" instead of "zebra"? Yamakujira as "mountain whale" instead of "Japanese boar"? Komoriguma as "tree bear" instead of "koala"? I mean, it doesn't really matter, it's just semantics...
It isn't the same at all: the name of the crew has external value (so everybody else can identify your group) while an official rank has internal value (so there's an established line of command that must be obeyed by the crewmates). The people in this verse need a name for the crew because they need to address it somehow, but they have nothing to do with who the first mate is because that's something that affects the daily dynamics of the crew.
The first mate is something that only Luffy can decide. And since his crew is interdependent with no vertical hierarchy of official authority, he doesn't need a first mate: their dynamics are more organic than giving Zoro (or whoever) a title.
It isn't semantics; it's speaking the actual language. Or are you translating shimauma as "striped horse" instead of "zebra"? Yamakujira as "mountain whale" instead of "Japanese boar"? Komoriguma as "tree bear" instead of "koala"? I mean, it doesn't really matter, it's just semantics...
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It isn't the same at all: the name of the crew has external value (so everybody else can identify your group) while an official rank has internal value (so there's an established line of command that must be obeyed by the crewmates). The people in this verse need a name for the crew because they need to address it somehow, but they have nothing to do with who the first mate is because that's something that affects the daily dynamics of the crew.
The first mate is something that only Luffy can decide. And since his crew is interdependent with no vertical hierarchy of official authority, he doesn't need a first mate: their dynamics are more organic than giving Zoro (or whoever) a title.
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That reasoning is like calling an admiral "general" just because both are top ranks. "Vice captain" isn't how you call the second in command of a ship; again, the term for that is "first mate". No "by definition" here.
Benn Beckman is a first mate (副船長) just like Rayleigh. "Vice captain" is the inaccurate term for "first mate" (they mean the same), which isn't the same as "right hand". "First mate", "right hand man" and "second strongest" are different concepts; some characters share them all (just like Rayleigh), but others don't (Katakuri seems to be just the second strongest with no other treatment from his mother).
Benn Beckman is a first mate (副船長) just like Rayleigh. "Vice captain" is the inaccurate term for "first mate" (they mean the same), which isn't the same as "right hand". "First mate", "right hand man" and "second strongest" are different concepts; some characters share them all (just like Rayleigh), but others don't (Katakuri seems to be just the second strongest with no other treatment from his mother).
It's irrelevant what the appropriate term in english is for the second in command of a ship, the story is written from a japanese perspective and it should be respected as such.. In One Piece the second in command of a ship is called the Vice Captain( Fuku Senchou)..
What's the point of Right hand man title if not to describe the same idea than First mate, Vice Captain..
What's the point of Right hand man title if not to describe the same idea than First mate, Vice Captain..