What makes you think that needs to happen or going to happen? Since 2012 the only time Law was absent when half of the crew was absent too. I mean anything can happen yeah but I don't think Oda will send him away so close towards the end when he never did that before (WCI doesn't count).
Law did tho. And Luffy was showing his concern about Zoro during that fight earlier anyway, he was definitly shouting his name once or twice. Which is beyond the point anyway. On that page Oda was explicitly focused on the fact that yamato got hurt and made it look like Luffy don't give a fuck, that felt anticlimactic to me, especially if we consider that's a future nakama to you, there should be some more concern from Luffy at least. If anything Momo got all the concern all the time even when she's around, it starting to look like he's going to be the next Straw hat more and more.
While everyone in the alliance was going in different directions to face off against two Yonkos and their crews?? When exactly was she supposed to interact with the Straw Hats when Luffy himself isn’t??
Easy. Have Yamato stay on the live floor. They can fight alongside everyone there and build a repertoire like that. Instead of Yamato saving Momo, it can be Franky. After Franky saves him, he and Shinobu hide and run away. Everything else stays same. Luffy loses the first time. After that Yamato goes to the roof to confront Kaido. It goes like it already does in the manga. Yamato and Momo meet and Yamato leaves Momo, so they can stop the bombs. While there, Yamato regroup with Brook and Robin and they stay together. Together they freeze the bombs and go back to the live floor.
Oda could've easily done that. Most of the major beats would be the same. Instead he put Yamato and Momo together. I personally think Oda is doing this intentionally. Either to strengthen the parallels between the characters or to set up Yamato possibly stay.
Easy. Have Yamato stay on the live floor. They can fight alongside everyone there and build a repertoire like that. Instead of Yamato saving Momo, it can be Franky. After Franky saves him, he and Shinobu hide and run away. Everything else stays same. Luffy loses the first time. After that Yamato goes to the roof to confront Kaido. It goes like it already does in the manga. Yamato and Momo meet and Yamato leaves Momo, so they can stop the bombs. While there, Yamato regroup with Brook and Robin and they stay together. Together they freeze the bombs and go back to the live floor.
Oda could've easily done that. Most of the major beats would be the same. Instead he put Yamato and Momo together. I personally think Oda is doing this intentionally. Either to strengthen the parallels between the characters or to set up Yamato possibly stay.
I’ve never said Oda is handling Yamato’s rollout well, but to deny what’s actually being said on panel is a mistake. All of this would have been fine with me if it had happened, but I hardly find it disqualifying that it didn’t; the fact that Yamato is spending most of her time with Momo has been explained a thousand times, so I’ll just reiterate that Yamato met these people an hour ago in the canon and there is more than ample time for her to meet everyone else, whether in combat or (most likely) the celebration thereafter.
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Also, @Rokukuro, your scenario precludes Yamato from giving him his father’s journal, a document she kept safe for two decades under duress and the final push he needed to age up and do everything he could to save his homeland…I love Franky more than most, but could he have done that??
What makes you think that needs to happen or going to happen? Since 2012 the only time Law was absent when half of the crew was absent too. I mean anything can happen yeah but I don't think Oda will send him away so close towards the end when he never did that before (WCI doesn't count).
it doesnt need to happen but if Oda wants to keep Law with his crew he might do it to focus on the SHs and new member interactions. It also gives an excuse to keep their alliance going but not travel together.
Sure it doesn't immediately disqualify Yamato, but it is weird. Especially since it worked like that for the other strawhats. Before joining the crew, they most interacted during the battle and not post battle.
Honestly that's unlikely especially with the amount of chapters dedicated to the celebration. It usually spans between 3-5 with the expections being post enies lobby and post war, both being 11 and 17 chapters respectfully. Even then the post enies lobby the party only lasted about 1 chapter. It'll be a short amount of time especially since we'll also be get updates on the outside world and the situation with the WG. Placing all of Yamato's development with the crew in the mix of all of this a bad move in my opinion. Not saying couldn't do it but he could've just had Yamato interact with the crew during the fights.
precludes Yamato from giving him his father’s journal, a document she kept safe for two decades under duress and the final push he needed to age up and do everything he could to save his homeland…I love Franky more than most, but could he have done that??
Have Yamato give it to him after the Raid. The notebook has no importance at the moment, and the secrets wouldn't be told to the audience till after the raid anyway.
I don't want to be that person but I found it really weird/funny:
Yamto is bleeding and fell on her knees because her scull apparently croaked from that Kaido's bonk but Luffy didn't give af he was concerned about helping Momo out lol. Anime will probably fix that so it won't look anticlimactic on screen and Luffy would offer her a hug and a cup of tea or some shit (/s) but to me is more important what Oda show us for obvious reasons. Luffy didn't even turned towards to her to acknowledge she is hurt. Weird. Oda had no time for that probably but still he could've squeezed a single sentence at least like "are you good to help that coward out?" or something.
But again I have a list of small nitpicks like that for the entire raid/wano it's not like this is my only one lol
Yeah, because Yamato is strong as fuck. She's not a damsel in distress like Nami and Robin were in Arlong Park/Ennies Lobby. She fought hard to hold off Kaido until Luffy arrived, and she succeeded. Luffy's reaction was to thank her and give her more responsibility, which is exactly what she deserved. She wasn't injured too badly to keep fighting, and she wasn't phased by any of Kaido's words. Yamato didn't want or need comfort and concern in that moment, so why would Luffy give either?
Sure it doesn't immediately disqualify Yamato, but it is weird. Especially since it worked like that for the other strawhats. Before joining the crew, they most interacted during the battle and not post battle.
Precisely why I wish Oda had introduced Yamato earlier in the arc, I imagine a few minds would be changed if she had been imprisoned in Udon, busted out of there with Luffy, then spent the following two weeks bonding with the SHP and giving them inside info on her father’s crew. Whatever the reason, he’s rushing her development in the middle of an already chaotic war, but I don’t think he would be developing her at all just to leave her behind…if the only knock against her is that she hasn’t met other protagonists because she was too busy keeping a Yonko at bay while Luffy recovered, that’s a better starting point than any other arc-exclusive ally.
In this thread and many like it, we’ve had plenty of discussions about Momo’s role in her recruitment; she obviously needs to be with him during this battle for protection, inspiration, the journal, and because anyone else who would realistically watch him had to get their Shueisha-mandated chapter and a half against a Beast or Big Mom Pirate. You can choose to disregard this stuff since there aren’t any panels or dialogue explicitly saying “It has to be Yamato with Momo because…” but other folks here have completely failed to catch subtext on multiple occasions and have ended up looking like assholes as a result.
Honestly that's unlikely especially with the amount of chapters dedicated to the celebration. It usually spans between 3-5 with the expections being post enies lobby and post war, both being 11 and 17 chapters respectfully. Even then the post enies lobby the party only lasted about 1 chapter. It'll be a short amount of time especially since we'll also be get updates on the outside world and the situation with the WG. Placing all of Yamato's development with the crew in the mix of all of this a bad move in my opinion. Not saying couldn't do it but he could've just had Yamato interact with the crew during the fights.
A lot can happen in a chapter or two, we’ve seen heavy lore dumps in single installments all throughout this arc and most others. The post-battle party, even if it transpires over a small number of chapters, has always brought hugely consequential events, I don’t see any reason to think that’s just gonna end after the arc where we learned more than ever before about the core mysteries of the series.
Have Yamato give it to him after the Raid. The notebook has no importance at the moment, and the secrets wouldn't be told to the audience till after the raid anyway.
I don’t know how you can read the entirety of Oden’s flashback - as told through what he wrote in the journal - and seriously say it’s not important…it inspired Momo to keep up the effort to save Wano and defeat Kaido; it also kept Yamato going for 20 years and spurred her desire to leave, so wouldn’t that be considered part of her character development that you say she isn’t getting? Moreover, we’ve not only heard and seen the secrets in it, we also learned that the biggest ones of all - details of Laugh Tale and One Piece - were ripped out before Yamato got her hands on the book, so I’m not entirely sure what else you think is being held back that we won’t learn until Kaido goes down.
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Also, can we stop acting like every potential SHP has to have a fully fleshed out backstory and personality? Did we know Nami’s entire past when she first joined? Robin’s? Shit, even Franky apparently met Roger’s crew and never thought to mention it, including when they ran into Rayleigh for the first time (his second)…we theoretically know everything circumstantial that’s happened in Yamato’s past, more than most actual nakama, and there’s plenty of story left to work out all her quirks, including the ones that make her so endearing to the mongoloids who claim to hate her.
Whatever the reason, he’s rushing her development in the middle of an already chaotic war, but I don’t think he would be developing her at all just to leave her behind
This was honestly one of the first reasons why I didn't want Yamato to join. I'd rather Yamato not join than have the way they join be badly written.
Yamato staying behind doesn't mean they're development was for not. Yamato will just re-enter the story again at a different. The development is there so we care that Yamato came back.
Shinobu would be the protection. She wouldn't be good protection, in fact she would be incredibly injured which cause Momo to have a self reflection.
As for inspiration, are you talking about Yamato's speech in 1043? If so, Momo's doubts didn't need to be subsided yet. It could've been left to stew on Momo and the readers mind until the end of the battle.
Also what benefit does Yamato get from being with Momo if they don't stay working together in the end.
I do think it's important. Specifically it says something about Momo and explains why he can't die here. Though that is important it won't hasn't had a major impact on the raid seeing as you forgot about it. The journal can easily wait until after.
Yamato staying behind doesn't mean they're development was for not. Yamato will just re-enter the story again at a different. The development is there so we care that Yamato came back.
Then why bring up her waiting specifically for Luffy if it doesn't go anywhere? Why make Yamato the one that made Ace's Vivre Card? Why have her be one of the few characters to know Luffy's true dream? All of that is wasted if she just stays with Momo. There wouldn't have been any need to add all of that to her backstory.
Also what benefit does Yamato get from being with Momo if they don't stay working together in the end.
It gives her someone to go back to at the end of the series like all of the other Straw Hats have. Even Robin got the Revolutionaries during the time skip.
I do think it's important. Specifically it says something about Momo and explains why he can't die here. Though that is important it won't hasn't had a major impact on the raid seeing as you forgot about it. The journal can easily wait until after.
it won’t have any major impact? After knowing that Momo can’t die, and Momo was being brought safely to Wano, Momo himself decided to age up 20 years so he can at least do something to help the raid; in this case by pulling Onigashima away from Wano. Momo is also the one who brought Luffy back to Onigashima, and of course bringing Luffy back to Onigashima is a major impact. With him being a 28 years old means he has the durability & stamina of a 28 years old instead of an 8 years old to help.
Then why bring up her waiting specifically for Luffy if it doesn't go anywhere? Why make Yamato the one that made Ace's Vivre Card? Why have her be one of the few characters to know Luffy's true dream? All of that is wasted if she just stays with Momo. There wouldn't have been any need to add all of that to her backstory.
It gives her someone to go back to at the end of the series like all of the other Straw Hats have. Even Robin got the Revolutionaries during the time skip.
Then why bring up her waiting specifically for Luffy if it doesn't go anywhere? Why make Yamato the one that made Ace's Vivre Card? Why have her be one of the few characters to know Luffy's true dream? All of that is wasted if she just stays with Momo.
To make Yamato and Luffy quick allies. For this arc and the premused future arc against the WG. A strong character with a connection to Luffy who will fight by his side in the coming dawn. Like Kidd, Law, and so many other characters. Are you saying that all their arcs mean nothing if they don't go with Luffy?
After knowing that Momo can’t die, and Momo was being brought safely to Wano, Momo himself decided to age up 20 years so he can at least do something to help the raid; in this case by pulling Onigashima away from Wano.
This had nothing to do with him finding out that he couldn't die yet. That was about him feeling weak and wanting to help. If he truly think about how can't did at the raid, he would've prioritized his life and stayed on the ground.
This was honestly one of the first reasons why I didn't want Yamato to join. I'd rather Yamato not join than have the way they join be badly written.
Yamato staying behind doesn't mean they're development was for not. Yamato will just re-enter the story again at a different. The development is there so we care that Yamato came back.
I also wish the writing was better, I think we can agree that present day Oda does not have the skills or storycrafting abilities that he had ten or 20 years ago…but again, faulting the character for the author’s diminishment doesn’t mean he isn’t still telegraphing her purpose in the story. Besides, I’ve been reading weekly long enough to have watched Franky, Brook, and Jinbe come aboard in real time; I like to think I can tell the difference between character development for the sake of foreshadowing and when it’s meant to introduce an important figure…and even if I can’t, Oda literally wrote multiple pieces of dialogue in the last 70 chapters about her intention to join the crew to help me along.
Shinobu would be the protection. She wouldn't be good protection, in fact she would be incredibly injured which cause Momo to have a self reflection.
As for inspiration, are you talking about Yamato's speech in 1043? If so, Momo's doubts didn't need to be subsided yet. It could've been left to stew on Momo and the readers mind until the end of the battle.
Also what benefit does Yamato get from being with Momo if they don't stay working together in the end.
Shinobu WAS the protection along with Yamato, you think she would have held Kaido off while watching Momo during Luffy’s fourth or fifth defeat? Why is her getting injured more effective in your opinion than Yamato’s proclamation? Beyond that, Shinobu and Kin’emon and every other Scabbard will live through this war, what makes you think they’ll need more help protecting Momo when the greatest threat they’ve ever faced is about to be knocked out by the main character?
Brook sailed with the crew for, what, a week or two before Kuma blasted him away from Sabaody? Franky had been with them for maybe a week or two longer than that, and yet, both of these guys decided to spend the time skip training to return to the crew. Not only can characters in this series develop quick bonds, we’ve seen people do it explicitly for Luffy’s cause, so I still don’t understand why that suddenly can’t happen for Yamato.
I do think it's important. Specifically it says something about Momo and explains why he can't die here. Though that is important it won't hasn't had a major impact on the raid seeing as you forgot about it. The journal can easily wait until after.
I didn’t forget about it, but I know that Momo is the son of the world’s most famous Wano resident, the heir to the shogunate of a historically important island, and the only person who can communicate with a millennium-old elephant that knew the previous savior of the world, I think anyone can use these context clues to determine that Momo’s of more use alive than he is dead.
This had nothing to do with him finding out that he couldn't die yet. That was about him feeling weak and wanting to help. If he truly think about how can't did at the raid, he would've prioritized his life and stayed on the ground.
Then you’re comprehending things in wrong way. He is the future shogun of Wano, he’s trying to prove himself worthy by maturing up; in this case by helping the raid any means necessary. If he stayed on the ground and prioritize his life, he’s nothing but a selfish future shogun, and he’s not worthy to be a shogun
@Rokukuro Thanks for showing the other anti Yamato people how to disagree respectfully. Notice how we're not insulting you since you're not insulting us? Take notes @dizzy2341 and @CarrotForNakama , this is how people form human connections with people who disagree with them over a manga.
To make Yamato and Luffy quick allies. For this arc and the premused future arc against the WG. A strong character with a connection to Luffy who will fight by his side in the coming dawn. Like Kidd, Law, and so many other characters. Are you saying that all their arcs mean nothing if they don't go with Luffy?
I've just been letting the others speak but I have to ask. How is Yamato waiting years to join Luffy and declaring to Kaido that she'll leave with him in any way comparable to the other strong characters that never mentioned that?
Also, if the intent was just to make her an ally, her connection with Luffy could've ended with Ace telling him how good he is. Why have her then say numerous times that she wants to sail with him?
if Oda wants to keep Law with his crew he might do it to focus on the SHs and new member interactions. It also gives an excuse to keep their alliance going but not travel together.
Since when Law is an obstacle for Oda to focus on the SHs lol. He has more screen time than half of them after ts not by an accident, Oda wants him to stick around.
Yeah, because Yamato is strong as fuck. She's not a damsel in distress like Nami and Robin were in Arlong Park/Ennies Lobby. She fought hard to hold off Kaido until Luffy arrived, and she succeeded. Luffy's reaction was to thank her and give her more responsibility, which is exactly what she deserved. She wasn't injured too badly to keep fighting, and she wasn't phased by any of Kaido's words. Yamato didn't want or need comfort and concern in that moment, so why would Luffy give either?
Yeah I bet you'd hated if he actually asked her if she's good to help momo and showing subtle concern towards her by that instead of just ordering her around with his back turned.
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I vivdly hope many were just trolling around
