Character Discussion Zoro has the responsibilities of a vice captain
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To be fair, sanji has all the qualities to be a vice captain, no bs.
The thing is that Zoro's serious opponents would beat him and after him they would take out the rest of the crew and yes in the PK crew who aim to be the strongest crew in the world strength counts if you want to put ranks.
Now if we judge them outside of their difference in strength, both have their ups and downs and i can't objectively choose one over the other.
Strawhats don't have ranks between them, besides Luffy ofc but if you want to put ranks zoro would be the VC and sanji the next best thing.
The thing is that Zoro's serious opponents would beat him and after him they would take out the rest of the crew and yes in the PK crew who aim to be the strongest crew in the world strength counts if you want to put ranks.
Now if we judge them outside of their difference in strength, both have their ups and downs and i can't objectively choose one over the other.
Strawhats don't have ranks between them, besides Luffy ofc but if you want to put ranks zoro would be the VC and sanji the next best thing.
One of my fave Zoro as First Mate moments.
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One of the general themes of the Davy Back/W7/EL arc is about the Strawhats all finding their places within the crew in their first real crisis.
Luffy- his struggle with being the captain. The fights with Foxy and Lucci show the lengths he’ll go at to protect his crew. Usopp and Robin leaving, and the Merry incident, giving us the first time he’s came up against a serious problem he can’t punch his way out of.
Zoro- the strong, capable right hand. He can keep his head cool in a crisis and give the hard advice and support that Luffy needs. When Luffy falters, he’ll step up. Also important- him and Sanji learn to put their differences aside for the sake of the crew in the DB fight.
Nami- the heart of the crew. She’s the one who makes impassioned pleas to Luffy about the crewmates leaving.
Usopp- if you haven’t noticed that the arcs are about Usopp finding his position in the crew you really need to reread
Sanji- the suave secret agent type planner of the crew. Goes off on the Sea Train and closes the Gates of Justice. DB devlopment with Zoro.
Chopper- tries to become a man thanks to the scolding Zoro gives him in the DB fight. This then leads to him accepting the thing he’d always been worried about- being a monster- for the sake of saving his crew. I think Chopper’s character development is very underrated here.
Robin- like Usopp, don’t have time to go over, accepts she deserves to live basically
Franky- joining the crew for the first time so a bit different from the others, but is instrumental in Robin’s story, little less but still important in Usopp’s. Slots right in as a sort of older male Nami figure, he brings a lot of heart and emotion to the crew.
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You aren't necessarily wrong, but you're literally ignoring that Sanji also did something "vice-captain like" on all of these moments, scenes and arcs you presented, while one of them isn't a big deal, like Zoro giving Toko to Sanji because he wanted to enter a fight due to Orochi being such a pain in the ass, that could easily happen with Sanji as well (as im sure it already did), especially when Sanji told Zoro to "cool his head" and ended up being attacked by Drake, giving Toko to Usopp so she wont be in danger, something that could happen between almost any Strawhat
You actually made pretty clear how Zoro depends on Sanji's agreement and support to do things, even if Nami (tHE 3rD mein cHarAcTEr) isn't agreeing with them
But the biggest deal here is: Zoro and Sanji do the same things in different ways, they don't depend on each others orders or agreements, thats the main reason they bicker so much, they do whatever suits their minds, but it doesn't mean they can't agree with each other and work together aiming a greater good.
In Alabasta for example, we had the Mr.Prince in action, he doesn't depends on anyone to do his thing, just like Zoro, unless Luffy gives a clear order for them to follow.
Sanji was the one who supported Usopp the most, through and through, even if he 100% agreed with Zoro, he was the one who kicked Luffy and told him to "Watch his mouth" when he was going to tell Usopp to simply leave the crew forever, Luffy basically apologized to Sanji.
He was the one who saved Usopp from dying and told him that there was still hope to save Robin, and that Usopp himself was the one who could make a difference. Thats a bigger support to the crew than simply saying "Hey dude, leave, you don't respect the captain", especially when you consider the fact that Usopp was right about the Going Merry being such special "being", to the point it saved them by the end of EL.
Well, i don't need to mention the Sea Train scenes as it speaks for itself. He even got Usopp "back" here, as Sogeking, and met Franky more properly.
Against Kuma, Sanji didn't obey Zoro on staying back, most likely the opposite, we could even say he prevented Zoro from getting hit by Kuma. Thats the point of wings, they need to support each other, the crew depends on that behaviour.
The fact that Zoro didn't want to let Sanji do it was mainly focused on Zoro's ambitions:
"If i can't protect my captain, then my ambition means nothing..."
Thats a standard Zoro created for himself and tied it to his ambition.
Im almost sure we have more of Sanji telling Luffy what to do and what not to do more than we have Zoro doing it. But what stands up the most is how Luffy actually doesn't care about that depending the circumstances, if he trully wants something, then he wont give up on it. Thats what he did when he was about to lose Sanji on the crew.
During Sanji vs Luffy drama in WCI, when Sanji goes to feed Luffy and starts giving the reasons he can't come back to the crew, he says the same thing he agreed with Zoro in Water 7 during "Luffy vs Usopp" drama. Meaning one of these reasons was that he disrespected the captain, so he couldn't come back to the crewby any means.
Then Luffy's answer was to attack Sanji, if Sanji didn't simply agreed to go back to the crew as Luffy wanted so much, they would probably just have fought each other for real. Even if he wanted to leave WCI without Sanji, it would be impossible, since it was so hard even with Sanji's massive assistance and many others.
The fact that Luffy simply let Usopp leave, taking Zoro and Sanji's advices into consideration, but didn't even considered the possibility of letting Sanji go among a such caotic situation, but dying right there waiting for him to come back, and also didn't gave a shit about the "don't disrespect the captain" rule speaks for itself how Sanji stands out in the crew and for Luffy.
You actually made pretty clear how Zoro depends on Sanji's agreement and support to do things, even if Nami (tHE 3rD mein cHarAcTEr) isn't agreeing with them
But the biggest deal here is: Zoro and Sanji do the same things in different ways, they don't depend on each others orders or agreements, thats the main reason they bicker so much, they do whatever suits their minds, but it doesn't mean they can't agree with each other and work together aiming a greater good.
In Alabasta for example, we had the Mr.Prince in action, he doesn't depends on anyone to do his thing, just like Zoro, unless Luffy gives a clear order for them to follow.
Sanji was the one who supported Usopp the most, through and through, even if he 100% agreed with Zoro, he was the one who kicked Luffy and told him to "Watch his mouth" when he was going to tell Usopp to simply leave the crew forever, Luffy basically apologized to Sanji.
He was the one who saved Usopp from dying and told him that there was still hope to save Robin, and that Usopp himself was the one who could make a difference. Thats a bigger support to the crew than simply saying "Hey dude, leave, you don't respect the captain", especially when you consider the fact that Usopp was right about the Going Merry being such special "being", to the point it saved them by the end of EL.
Well, i don't need to mention the Sea Train scenes as it speaks for itself. He even got Usopp "back" here, as Sogeking, and met Franky more properly.
Against Kuma, Sanji didn't obey Zoro on staying back, most likely the opposite, we could even say he prevented Zoro from getting hit by Kuma. Thats the point of wings, they need to support each other, the crew depends on that behaviour.
The fact that Zoro didn't want to let Sanji do it was mainly focused on Zoro's ambitions:
"If i can't protect my captain, then my ambition means nothing..."
Thats a standard Zoro created for himself and tied it to his ambition.
Im almost sure we have more of Sanji telling Luffy what to do and what not to do more than we have Zoro doing it. But what stands up the most is how Luffy actually doesn't care about that depending the circumstances, if he trully wants something, then he wont give up on it. Thats what he did when he was about to lose Sanji on the crew.
During Sanji vs Luffy drama in WCI, when Sanji goes to feed Luffy and starts giving the reasons he can't come back to the crew, he says the same thing he agreed with Zoro in Water 7 during "Luffy vs Usopp" drama. Meaning one of these reasons was that he disrespected the captain, so he couldn't come back to the crewby any means.
Then Luffy's answer was to attack Sanji, if Sanji didn't simply agreed to go back to the crew as Luffy wanted so much, they would probably just have fought each other for real. Even if he wanted to leave WCI without Sanji, it would be impossible, since it was so hard even with Sanji's massive assistance and many others.
The fact that Luffy simply let Usopp leave, taking Zoro and Sanji's advices into consideration, but didn't even considered the possibility of letting Sanji go among a such caotic situation, but dying right there waiting for him to come back, and also didn't gave a shit about the "don't disrespect the captain" rule speaks for itself how Sanji stands out in the crew and for Luffy.
But if I had to pick someone else for captain or VC Zoro would come to my mind first for a multimyriad of reasons ultimately
Agreed, there is a lot of backing for Zoro to eventually be recognized as the de-facto Vice Captain/First Mate of the crew.
IMO, Vice Captain/First Mate, RHM and the Second Strongest are three different titles and who has them depend on the crew dynamic.
- In some crews, the same person shares all the three titles (Rayleigh in the Roger Pirates/Beckmann in the Red Hair Pirates).
- In some crews, there exists RHMs who are the second strongest but they aren't recognized as the official First Mate/Vice Captain even though they carry out those duties (Marco in the WBP/King in the Beast Pirates).
- In some crews, the second strongest aren't even given the title of RHMs, let alone recognized as the First Mate/Vice Captain (Katakuri in the BMP/Shiryu in the BBP).
Zoro's dynamic and role in the crew parallels and follows the first type of crews more than the others, with him (and him alone from the crew) sharing strong parallels with Rayleigh just like Luffy shares with Roger. Hence, there is strong arguments to be made for Zoro having a moment in the future where he is officially recognized as the First Mate/Vice Captain of the Straw Hats before the series ends.
IMO, Vice Captain/First Mate, RHM and the Second Strongest are three different titles and who has them depend on the crew dynamic.
- In some crews, the same person shares all the three titles (Rayleigh in the Roger Pirates/Beckmann in the Red Hair Pirates).
- In some crews, there exists RHMs who are the second strongest but they aren't recognized as the official First Mate/Vice Captain even though they carry out those duties (Marco in the WBP/King in the Beast Pirates).
- In some crews, the second strongest aren't even given the title of RHMs, let alone recognized as the First Mate/Vice Captain (Katakuri in the BMP/Shiryu in the BBP).
Zoro's dynamic and role in the crew parallels and follows the first type of crews more than the others, with him (and him alone from the crew) sharing strong parallels with Rayleigh just like Luffy shares with Roger. Hence, there is strong arguments to be made for Zoro having a moment in the future where he is officially recognized as the First Mate/Vice Captain of the Straw Hats before the series ends.
At the end of the day, Zoro fans and the general OP fandom will ignore all of Sanji's potrayal and everything hes done.
- Theyll forget that hes led Luffy in Drum Island and Skypeia.
- Led Zoro in PH
- Will bring up Zoro telling Sanji and Usopp to stop fighting, but will forget Sanji making Luffy and Usopp to stop fighting
(As you can see a Ztard Moderator a few posts above praises Zoro for this. Then will ignore it when Sanji does the same.)
- Will ignore Sanji shutting Zoro down and telling him off in Albasta for being scared for Luffy.
- Will ignore Sanji shutting down Jinbe with a speech in FI, and Luffy dickriding off of that speech
- Will ignore the other special exclusive potrayal Sanji has gottten such as, only one Luffy said to "I cant be PK without you", Robin bringing up Wings and stating Sanji deserves that position, and the whole general Curly Hat Pirates. Moss Pirates never existed.....and people still jelly.
- Will ignore all the wholesome uplifting of the crew hes done in many occassions.
- Will ignore the different speeches and talks he gave to the crew when it came to their enemies. This includes Drum Island, Alabasta, Skypeia, Ennies Lobby, FI
Most of everything Zoro has gotten....Sanji has gotten and even more. Difference is when the fanbase picks Zoro to be the unofficial VC theyll ignore everything Sanji does. However us Sanji fans and Oda will not forget nor neglect. They are Wings. The only position Oda has picked out for them.
- Theyll forget that hes led Luffy in Drum Island and Skypeia.
- Led Zoro in PH
- Will bring up Zoro telling Sanji and Usopp to stop fighting, but will forget Sanji making Luffy and Usopp to stop fighting
(As you can see a Ztard Moderator a few posts above praises Zoro for this. Then will ignore it when Sanji does the same.)
- Will ignore Sanji shutting Zoro down and telling him off in Albasta for being scared for Luffy.
- Will ignore Sanji shutting down Jinbe with a speech in FI, and Luffy dickriding off of that speech
- Will ignore the other special exclusive potrayal Sanji has gottten such as, only one Luffy said to "I cant be PK without you", Robin bringing up Wings and stating Sanji deserves that position, and the whole general Curly Hat Pirates. Moss Pirates never existed.....and people still jelly.
- Will ignore all the wholesome uplifting of the crew hes done in many occassions.
- Will ignore the different speeches and talks he gave to the crew when it came to their enemies. This includes Drum Island, Alabasta, Skypeia, Ennies Lobby, FI
Most of everything Zoro has gotten....Sanji has gotten and even more. Difference is when the fanbase picks Zoro to be the unofficial VC theyll ignore everything Sanji does. However us Sanji fans and Oda will not forget nor neglect. They are Wings. The only position Oda has picked out for them.
The problem is trying to talk to people who think having an active voice in crew matters is the definition of a vice captain, and that this makes everyone a vice captain or something.
Sanji in particular, they wheel out the same old shit. The sea train where he states that he personally would act against orders, only to be in a situation where Luffy doesn't even disagree. This has nothing to do with taking a leadership role within the crew, especially because the two people who would have worked with him weren't actually crew members at the time.
Interfering with Luffy yelling at Usopp. Accomplished nothing because Luffy wasn't able to take back what he said. Might as well just yell "kyaaa stop!" But funny enough, Nami was the ultimate victor of Luffy vs Zoro so that's a better example.
Sanji is cunning, he can be a vice captain. He could even be his own captain because it's not rocket science. But he's not Luffy's vice captain, because he doesn't have the ambition, Zoro doesn't defer to him, and the others don't really defer to him in the presence of Zoro. Hell at this point Oda is literally making him jealous of Jinbe.
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This is the kinda shit I mean, just padding the post to make it seem comprehensive. That literally has nothing to do with vice captain.
In fact, think about it as the opposite: Zoro's reason for sacrificing himself at Thriller Bark was for the sake of accomplishing Luffy's dream at the cost of his own. Sanji was put down because he was clearly just being full of shit in a macho way to one up Zoro. Zoro also abandoned his pride to train under Mihawk, because it was explicitly stated that he found an ambition that he puts over his own. His motivation is that Luffy needs him to do these things.
Meanwhile Sanji's like "oh, go be Pirate King without me." Yes Luffy needs him... like he needs everyone else in the crew. Sanji literally went through the same shit Nami went through 75 volumes before that, only by that point Luffy was willing to regulate his ass. Just like the vice captain did at Thriller Bark.
Sanji in particular, they wheel out the same old shit. The sea train where he states that he personally would act against orders, only to be in a situation where Luffy doesn't even disagree. This has nothing to do with taking a leadership role within the crew, especially because the two people who would have worked with him weren't actually crew members at the time.
Interfering with Luffy yelling at Usopp. Accomplished nothing because Luffy wasn't able to take back what he said. Might as well just yell "kyaaa stop!" But funny enough, Nami was the ultimate victor of Luffy vs Zoro so that's a better example.
Sanji is cunning, he can be a vice captain. He could even be his own captain because it's not rocket science. But he's not Luffy's vice captain, because he doesn't have the ambition, Zoro doesn't defer to him, and the others don't really defer to him in the presence of Zoro. Hell at this point Oda is literally making him jealous of Jinbe.
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This is the kinda shit I mean, just padding the post to make it seem comprehensive. That literally has nothing to do with vice captain.
In fact, think about it as the opposite: Zoro's reason for sacrificing himself at Thriller Bark was for the sake of accomplishing Luffy's dream at the cost of his own. Sanji was put down because he was clearly just being full of shit in a macho way to one up Zoro. Zoro also abandoned his pride to train under Mihawk, because it was explicitly stated that he found an ambition that he puts over his own. His motivation is that Luffy needs him to do these things.
Meanwhile Sanji's like "oh, go be Pirate King without me." Yes Luffy needs him... like he needs everyone else in the crew. Sanji literally went through the same shit Nami went through 75 volumes before that, only by that point Luffy was willing to regulate his ass. Just like the vice captain did at Thriller Bark.
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Sanji-Bros are jerking off to the fact Zoro is not an "official" vice captain, since the straw hat pirates do not have such a position. Yet, Zoro has the responsibilities of a vice captain. Call it vice captain or right hand man, but he stands above Sanji in that regard. The Manga is testament to it.
- In Luffy's absence, Zoro takes the role of the vice captain. Sanji only commands in both Luffy's and Zoro's absence.
- He is the one stepping forward first when it comes to sacrificing himself for the captain, as it was the case at Thriller Bark, where he sacrificed his dream to save Luffy. First, ordering everyone to stay back as he is the one to take on Kuma
- Then deciding to give his life for Luffy. Sanji stepped forward only after Zoro. And even then, Zoro was the one to take responsibility, while putting Sanji to rest.
- When Luffy made his crew escape from Crocodile in Alabasta to take him on himself, while telling his crew to take care of Vivi, the focus immediately shifted to Zoro, with him being the one to take command and Sanji simply agreeing:
- Even in Luffy's presence, Zoro is the one taking responsibility and exercises his authority. That was evident when Luffy, in Water 7 was to immediately forgive Usopp but Zoro was the one to forbid Luffy from doing it, saying that either Luffy teaches his crew proper respect, or he himself is the one to leave next. The moment where Sanji himself obediently agreed with Zoro, even though Zoro told Nami (who Sanji is simping for) to shut up. A powerful moment indeed.
When Luffy shows weakness, it is Zoro who reminds him to stay strong and to endure it, for he is the captain.
In Wano, Zoro was also seen taking command in Luffy's absence, including commanding Sanji:
Especially the points of Zoro scolding Luffy and telling him what to do and to stay strong to be a worthy captain, is not just right hand man material but straight out vice captain responsibilities. Neither Marco nor King would tell their captains what to do. Zoro does.
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- In Luffy's absence, Zoro takes the role of the vice captain. Sanji only commands in both Luffy's and Zoro's absence.
- He is the one stepping forward first when it comes to sacrificing himself for the captain, as it was the case at Thriller Bark, where he sacrificed his dream to save Luffy. First, ordering everyone to stay back as he is the one to take on Kuma
- Then deciding to give his life for Luffy. Sanji stepped forward only after Zoro. And even then, Zoro was the one to take responsibility, while putting Sanji to rest.
- When Luffy made his crew escape from Crocodile in Alabasta to take him on himself, while telling his crew to take care of Vivi, the focus immediately shifted to Zoro, with him being the one to take command and Sanji simply agreeing:
- Even in Luffy's presence, Zoro is the one taking responsibility and exercises his authority. That was evident when Luffy, in Water 7 was to immediately forgive Usopp but Zoro was the one to forbid Luffy from doing it, saying that either Luffy teaches his crew proper respect, or he himself is the one to leave next. The moment where Sanji himself obediently agreed with Zoro, even though Zoro told Nami (who Sanji is simping for) to shut up. A powerful moment indeed.
When Luffy shows weakness, it is Zoro who reminds him to stay strong and to endure it, for he is the captain.
In Wano, Zoro was also seen taking command in Luffy's absence, including commanding Sanji:
Especially the points of Zoro scolding Luffy and telling him what to do and to stay strong to be a worthy captain, is not just right hand man material but straight out vice captain responsibilities. Neither Marco nor King would tell their captains what to do. Zoro does.
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Zorobros, stop looking just what you want to see
Sanji never let Zoro take control over a thing in Alabasta, Zoro and Sanji don't exist to obey each other, but either to sometimes to complement what the other can't do/isn't doing for whatever reason
Thats what happened right after Zoro supposedly took the lead when Luffy left to fight Crocodile, which never happened to begin with.
Just take a look on what Usopp said "As second in command, i gotta do something", Usopp just had witnessed how Zoro and Sanji's bickering fits the "second in command" role
Sanji doesn't depend on parallels or copy of another character's build up like the Zoro/Rayleigh, or be set in such a relevant bounty related group where there are the likes of Apoo, Drake and other "strong" and "relevant" characters
Sanji is unparalelled, theres only one Sanji out there. Don't mistake that with how Luffy/Zoro and Luffy/Sanji friendship is showcased because they are obviously not going to be the same, this has nothing to do with the actual "Vice Captain role" stuff
Sanji never let Zoro take control over a thing in Alabasta, Zoro and Sanji don't exist to obey each other, but either to sometimes to complement what the other can't do/isn't doing for whatever reason
Thats what happened right after Zoro supposedly took the lead when Luffy left to fight Crocodile, which never happened to begin with.
Just take a look on what Usopp said "As second in command, i gotta do something", Usopp just had witnessed how Zoro and Sanji's bickering fits the "second in command" role
Sanji doesn't depend on parallels or copy of another character's build up like the Zoro/Rayleigh, or be set in such a relevant bounty related group where there are the likes of Apoo, Drake and other "strong" and "relevant" characters
Sanji is unparalelled, theres only one Sanji out there. Don't mistake that with how Luffy/Zoro and Luffy/Sanji friendship is showcased because they are obviously not going to be the same, this has nothing to do with the actual "Vice Captain role" stuff
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It has to do with Sanji's importance within the crew and how much Luffy values him. Of course you see it as nothing, but if Luffy stated this to Zoro....it would be clear cut potrayal that Zoro is above everyone else.
Are you actually being retarded ? Are you actually gonna now state that the reason that Sanji wanted to sacrifice himself in Thirller Bark was to one up Zoro and try to seem cooler than him ? Is this the lengths you idiots are going ? No lets just say that Sanji doesnt care about Zoro and Luffy....and is actually a psycho who would literally sacriface his life to one up Zoro.
The only pretend thing Sanji did...was pretend he was worth more than Zoro....so Kuma would kill him instead. His motivation was still to protect Luffy, Zoro and the entire crew. Stop being dumb.
Oh same thing as Nami ? Thats strange....I dont remeber Luffy ever stating he cant be PK without her ?
Are you actually being retarded ? Are you actually gonna now state that the reason that Sanji wanted to sacrifice himself in Thirller Bark was to one up Zoro and try to seem cooler than him ? Is this the lengths you idiots are going ? No lets just say that Sanji doesnt care about Zoro and Luffy....and is actually a psycho who would literally sacriface his life to one up Zoro.
The only pretend thing Sanji did...was pretend he was worth more than Zoro....so Kuma would kill him instead. His motivation was still to protect Luffy, Zoro and the entire crew. Stop being dumb.
Oh same thing as Nami ? Thats strange....I dont remeber Luffy ever stating he cant be PK without her ?
Zorobros, stop looking just what you want to see
Sanji never let Zoro take control over a thing in Alabasta, Zoro and Sanji don't exist to obey each other, but either to sometimes to complement what the other can't do/isn't doing for whatever reason
Thats what happened right after Zoro supposedly took the lead when Luffy left to fight Crocodile, which never happened to begin with.
Just take a look on what Usopp said "As second in command, i gotta do something", Usopp just had witnessed how Zoro and Sanji's bickering fits the "second in command" role
Sanji never let Zoro take control over a thing in Alabasta, Zoro and Sanji don't exist to obey each other, but either to sometimes to complement what the other can't do/isn't doing for whatever reason
Thats what happened right after Zoro supposedly took the lead when Luffy left to fight Crocodile, which never happened to begin with.
Just take a look on what Usopp said "As second in command, i gotta do something", Usopp just had witnessed how Zoro and Sanji's bickering fits the "second in command" role
What the original post here touches on is that Luffy's statement as he flew off was immediately processed by Zoro. That has nothing to do with Sanji's confrontation. He tries to help Zoro, but not with any authority, and it goes south so Nami steps in.
Meanwhile, Usopp's joke revolves around his delusion. You know, like Cavendish, Baby 5, Hancock, and Sanji all experience when they mistakenly believe that they're needed? It's a pretty common gag.
I don't frame very much leadership discussion around Alabasta but it's pretty silly to argue against. I mean, who presented the strategy to deal with Sanji's antagonist?
Of course Sanji does care, but his sacrifice was without meaning. "Take me, I am the one the Marines will fear most" is not something that's been relevant before or since, whereas Zoro's speech about protecting Luffy is actually very relevant to his character.
And if you think Sanji is special, that Luffy would consider himself able to be Pirate King without the others except him, then my point still stands whether you read a text where he explicitly says that or not. He would rescue any one of them rather than replace them, and in truth since they're all the best at something, it only makes sense that they're integral for achieving the goal of having the best crew.
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Some people prolly won't like what I'm about to say lol but honestly I think this whole (i.e. ryouyoku) "wings" concept that Oda's introduced to the story makes it very unlikely that Zoro or Sanji will ever hold the official role of VC and Oda stating that some of the folks in that one "No.2" cover page **including Zoro** are simply the second strongest in their crews and not necessarily Vice Captains is all you need to know that it's not really on the cards for Oda atm to make Zoro the Vice Captain. In Oda's mind even though Zoro is stronger than Sanji, Both are the two main pillars in the crew that equally support Luffy and none outranks the other. Hell this "wings" concept is pretty fresh in OP and it's sumin Oda specifically introduced into the story for Zoro & Sanji. Even If u wanna say that the SHs are similar to the Red Hair Pirates for example, they don't have this concept in their crew and with regards to the Roger Pirates, they are more similar to the SHs but even then Rayleigh is referred to as Roger's "Right-Hand man" which isn't equivalent to "VC". More likely than not Scopper is Roger's "Left-Hand man". Likewise, King has been referred to as Kaido's right hand man but he's not the VC of the Beast Pirates.
Also, I think the way Oda has written both Zoro & Sanji, is an indication that both are more than qualified to fill the VC role hence the "Wings" concept.
No matter how folks try, you're not gonna be able to separate these two. In Oda's mind they are a set, regardless of who is stronger than the other.
Also, I think the way Oda has written both Zoro & Sanji, is an indication that both are more than qualified to fill the VC role hence the "Wings" concept.
No matter how folks try, you're not gonna be able to separate these two. In Oda's mind they are a set, regardless of who is stronger than the other.