One Piece Chapter 1046: Raizo
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Kaido's fruit is the Azure Drgon. The fish categorization is just useless fluff. The mere idea that Kaido actually became a fish when he ate the fruit then became a dragon when he awakened is just idiotic to me.
And when was ever a regular old vanilla Hybrid form that even Dalton back in Drum island could access is considered to be an awakening form?
And when was ever a regular old vanilla Hybrid form that even Dalton back in Drum island could access is considered to be an awakening form?
I see what you mean but I believe the end result would be unsatisfactory. First of all, If his awakening is the type that makes him bigger and take into consideration how much bigger Chopper becomes in his monster form, Kaido in Dragon form will be so enormous that he will stretch around the planet (Joking). Then we need to take into consideration Luffy's awakening which simply amplifies his power but stays at the same size.
In terms of speed and power, whenever Kaido gets serious he is in hybrid form, which is the same size as his normal form (from what I can tell) with all his dragon bonus stats plus extra speed and agility, similar to Luffy's awakening bonuses. To tell you the truth I really wish his awakening is his hybrid form since that would really make him look more of a beast than he already is stamina-wise. I mean he was in Hybrid form most of the time while the rest awakened users are about to faint after a couple of minutes.
Another reason I don't believe Oda will use bigger size of Kaido's form is because in my opinion would look lazy. The fight has already dragged for way too long and an awakening which is basically the same thing but bigger would feel like Oda is trying to drag the fight even more without introducing anything new.
Maybe if it was a last blow kind of situation were Kaido decides at the very end to go 200% it would make some sense but honestly for me it will feel like an infinite power up situation where when one character gets a power up the opponents gets another because If you think about it Luffy will have to find a way to defeat Kaido's new form, again.
Technically I don't know why Oda used the fish category in the first place for a dragon. The Reptile category is usually used for dragons. Maybe he is making an eel joke similar to Momo and considers it something like a mythical eel... Who knows what's going on in this guy's head when he is categorizing them...
And that's exactly what I am saying. Have we really seen any Zoan awakenings apart from Chopper and Luffy? Chopper gets bigger and Luffy stays the same size and get Nika's powers. I am trying to think of an evolved form for kaido but other than simply a bigger size of his usual transformations, like Yasheen said, I can't think of anything else and simply going bigger design-wise will feel like Oda is being lazy.
I am starting to believe that with some devil fruits there is no way to figure out exciting awakenings other than going bigger or maybe they cannot be awakened at all. Take Lucci for example, can you think of what his awakening looks like without going big? Same goes for the rest zoans we encountered?
In terms of speed and power, whenever Kaido gets serious he is in hybrid form, which is the same size as his normal form (from what I can tell) with all his dragon bonus stats plus extra speed and agility, similar to Luffy's awakening bonuses. To tell you the truth I really wish his awakening is his hybrid form since that would really make him look more of a beast than he already is stamina-wise. I mean he was in Hybrid form most of the time while the rest awakened users are about to faint after a couple of minutes.
Another reason I don't believe Oda will use bigger size of Kaido's form is because in my opinion would look lazy. The fight has already dragged for way too long and an awakening which is basically the same thing but bigger would feel like Oda is trying to drag the fight even more without introducing anything new.
Maybe if it was a last blow kind of situation were Kaido decides at the very end to go 200% it would make some sense but honestly for me it will feel like an infinite power up situation where when one character gets a power up the opponents gets another because If you think about it Luffy will have to find a way to defeat Kaido's new form, again.
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Technically I don't know why Oda used the fish category in the first place for a dragon. The Reptile category is usually used for dragons. Maybe he is making an eel joke similar to Momo and considers it something like a mythical eel... Who knows what's going on in this guy's head when he is categorizing them...
And that's exactly what I am saying. Have we really seen any Zoan awakenings apart from Chopper and Luffy? Chopper gets bigger and Luffy stays the same size and get Nika's powers. I am trying to think of an evolved form for kaido but other than simply a bigger size of his usual transformations, like Yasheen said, I can't think of anything else and simply going bigger design-wise will feel like Oda is being lazy.
I am starting to believe that with some devil fruits there is no way to figure out exciting awakenings other than going bigger or maybe they cannot be awakened at all. Take Lucci for example, can you think of what his awakening looks like without going big? Same goes for the rest zoans we encountered?
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maybe.. just maybe..
not all awakenings are "cool" like luffy
maybe kaido is just a stronger dragon/hybrid aka impel down guards
maybe the druken modes emphasize that, maybe big mom is also already awakened (when she became bigger mom)
I don't think every zoan deserves that, maybe it's just nika
similarly, i think kuzan and sakazuki are already awakened based on punk hazard (those are similar to luffy, katakuri and mingo)
i can think of the mera mera no mi becoming blue flames and stronger instead of turning the ground into fire?
Let's just let oda do is thing, don't fight
not all awakenings are "cool" like luffy
maybe kaido is just a stronger dragon/hybrid aka impel down guards
maybe the druken modes emphasize that, maybe big mom is also already awakened (when she became bigger mom)
I don't think every zoan deserves that, maybe it's just nika
similarly, i think kuzan and sakazuki are already awakened based on punk hazard (those are similar to luffy, katakuri and mingo)
i can think of the mera mera no mi becoming blue flames and stronger instead of turning the ground into fire?
Let's just let oda do is thing, don't fight
bro you are more of a troll than I could ever be lmao I didn't legitimately see anything that makes me believe she is associated with it. because there is no actual context, she is associated with her mask the most versus a peacock. and yeah the scabards arent average fodder
kaido is godzilla luffy is king kong
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kaido is godzilla luffy is king kong
All my examples are factual, hope you appreciate I took the trouble to show you that partial transformations aren't Marco's thing:
—Funkfreed has shown the ability to partially transform as it sometimes invokes its elephant legs and sometimes it doesn't:
—Onigumo ate a spider zoan who has shown the ability to generate his extra limbs both with and without spider abdomen:
—Orochi can freely grow snake heads and he decides whether he will transform his human head or not. When speaking with CP0 he grows two snake heads and transforms his human one while the rest of the body remain in base:
...But he can also grow Yamata-no-Orochi heads out of his human body without further transformation, as shown in Kanjuro's flashback:
—Pekoms is capable of transforming his back alone into a turtle shell while the rest of his body remains in base; I can't find the panels in Google, but you can check them in chapter 652. We also know for a fact that Pekoms had his turtle shell on in this panel since he confirmed to have protected himself with it:
—Regarding Kaido, apart from the fact that he further transforms when changing modes, we recently saw him in dragon form yet with his oni torso:
"Show me a panel were a zoan has only transformed a hand or only other parts of their body", so there you go. Even if you dismiss Funkfreed and Kaido examples, it's clear as day that Pekoms only transformed his back, Orochi only grew two beast heads and Onigumo partially transformed by getting spider arms alone. Pretty undeniable.
—Funkfreed has shown the ability to partially transform as it sometimes invokes its elephant legs and sometimes it doesn't:
—Onigumo ate a spider zoan who has shown the ability to generate his extra limbs both with and without spider abdomen:
—Orochi can freely grow snake heads and he decides whether he will transform his human head or not. When speaking with CP0 he grows two snake heads and transforms his human one while the rest of the body remain in base:
...But he can also grow Yamata-no-Orochi heads out of his human body without further transformation, as shown in Kanjuro's flashback:
—Pekoms is capable of transforming his back alone into a turtle shell while the rest of his body remains in base; I can't find the panels in Google, but you can check them in chapter 652. We also know for a fact that Pekoms had his turtle shell on in this panel since he confirmed to have protected himself with it:
—Regarding Kaido, apart from the fact that he further transforms when changing modes, we recently saw him in dragon form yet with his oni torso:
"Show me a panel were a zoan has only transformed a hand or only other parts of their body", so there you go. Even if you dismiss Funkfreed and Kaido examples, it's clear as day that Pekoms only transformed his back, Orochi only grew two beast heads and Onigumo partially transformed by getting spider arms alone. Pretty undeniable.
Now go back and read what I said again
--Kaku's fruit is ox ox fruit model Giraffe ; that doesn't makes kaku an ox lol
--Also momo is dragon not a fish
Very good bro :cheers::cheers:
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--Kaku's fruit is ox ox fruit model Giraffe ; that doesn't makes kaku an ox lol
--Also momo is dragon not a fish
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All my examples are factual, hope you appreciate I took the trouble to show you that partial transformations aren't Marco's thing:
—Funkfreed has shown the ability to partially transform as it sometimes invokes its elephant legs and sometimes it doesn't:
—Onigumo ate a spider zoan who has shown the ability to generate his extra limbs both with and without spider abdomen:
—Orochi can freely grow snake heads and he decides whether he will transform his human head or not. When speaking with CP0 he grows two snake heads and transforms his human one while the rest of the body remain in base:
...But he can also grow Yamata-no-Orochi heads out of his human body without further transformation, as shown in Kanjuro's flashback:
—Pekoms is capable of transforming his back alone into a turtle shell while the rest of his body remains in base; I can't find the panels in Google, but you can check them in chapter 652. We also know for a fact that Pekoms had his turtle shell on in this panel since he confirmed to have protected himself with it:
—Regarding Kaido, apart from the fact that he further transforms when changing modes, we recently saw him in dragon form yet with his oni torso:
"Show me a panel were a zoan has only transformed a hand or only other parts of their body", so there you go. Even if you dismiss Funkfreed and Kaido examples, it's clear as day that Pekoms only transformed his back, Orochi only grew two beast heads and Onigumo partially transformed by getting spider arms alone. Pretty undeniable.
—Funkfreed has shown the ability to partially transform as it sometimes invokes its elephant legs and sometimes it doesn't:
—Onigumo ate a spider zoan who has shown the ability to generate his extra limbs both with and without spider abdomen:
—Orochi can freely grow snake heads and he decides whether he will transform his human head or not. When speaking with CP0 he grows two snake heads and transforms his human one while the rest of the body remain in base:
...But he can also grow Yamata-no-Orochi heads out of his human body without further transformation, as shown in Kanjuro's flashback:
—Pekoms is capable of transforming his back alone into a turtle shell while the rest of his body remains in base; I can't find the panels in Google, but you can check them in chapter 652. We also know for a fact that Pekoms had his turtle shell on in this panel since he confirmed to have protected himself with it:
—Regarding Kaido, apart from the fact that he further transforms when changing modes, we recently saw him in dragon form yet with his oni torso:
"Show me a panel were a zoan has only transformed a hand or only other parts of their body", so there you go. Even if you dismiss Funkfreed and Kaido examples, it's clear as day that Pekoms only transformed his back, Orochi only grew two beast heads and Onigumo partially transformed by getting spider arms alone. Pretty undeniable.
Eastern dragons are more related to fishes than to reptiles. They share many of their traits (lobster eyes, carp scales, catfish whiskers; they're commonly linked to crayfish (can give some examples if you want); they are both put in the same category in the ancient Wamyo Ruijusho (ryus are treated as "Ryogo", which means "Aquatic animals" and is commonly translated as "Dragons and fishes"); among other things.
Thinking of Eastern dragons as reptiles is biased by our Western dragons, but traditionally ryus have been heavily related to fishes and other aquatic creatures, and to water itself. For comparison, it's like the Bible treating bats as birds or whales as fishes.
Thinking of Eastern dragons as reptiles is biased by our Western dragons, but traditionally ryus have been heavily related to fishes and other aquatic creatures, and to water itself. For comparison, it's like the Bible treating bats as birds or whales as fishes.
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You are genuinely 100 percent trolling.
She wore an extremely opulent red furisode kimono that sparkles in the sunlight, with the sleeve adorned with a peacock and flowers on it. She also had red-painted fingernails
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Kozuki_Hiyori
Notably, the Fenghuang is often paired with the Chinese Dragon as a symbol of harmony, her brother Momonosuke has taken the form of a Chinese Dragon
The Fenghuang is often depicted as this beautiful multi-colored bird, bright and blinding. Think Ho-Oh from Pokemon, which is also based off of Fenghuang. When we are introduced to Hiyori she is just that. Literally wearing a kimono adorned with a beautiful bird and she’s shining, the townspeople state they cannot look at her without going blind
So stop your trolling
She wore an extremely opulent red furisode kimono that sparkles in the sunlight, with the sleeve adorned with a peacock and flowers on it. She also had red-painted fingernails
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Kozuki_Hiyori
Notably, the Fenghuang is often paired with the Chinese Dragon as a symbol of harmony, her brother Momonosuke has taken the form of a Chinese Dragon
The Fenghuang is often depicted as this beautiful multi-colored bird, bright and blinding. Think Ho-Oh from Pokemon, which is also based off of Fenghuang. When we are introduced to Hiyori she is just that. Literally wearing a kimono adorned with a beautiful bird and she’s shining, the townspeople state they cannot look at her without going blind
So stop your trolling
I don't remember that it was mentioned in the manga that Chopper's monter point is his awakening, though I also feel that it is so as he used to lose his reason when he transforms which is typical for Zoan awakenings.
As for how it goes for the zoan awakening design wise, Oda could go about it in many ways. He could make it similar to Chopper's monster point and the guards in impel down by becoming a giant humanoid beast form of said fruit, or similar to the Mink's Sulong form, or Luffy's Nika form which is Saiyan-esque, etc... Oda literally could make it be whatever he wishes, especially for the Mythical Zoan category which contains mystical entities like devine beasts and gods etc...
In conclusion this is how it goes for Zoan awakening according to my understanding from the manga:
1- Regular Zoan fruits: Become a giant humanoid of said DF model.
2- Ancient Zoan fruits: It's not depicted in the manga but I don't think it's different from the regular Zoan awakening because ancient beasts are just regular beasts that were mostly extinct in the One Piece world.
3- Mythical Zoan fruits: Oda has total freedom here and could go about it in many ways mainly because the mystical model for the fruit possess some weird abilities of their own (rubber body, pheonix flames, flame clouds, shapeshifing etc...)
As for how it goes for the zoan awakening design wise, Oda could go about it in many ways. He could make it similar to Chopper's monster point and the guards in impel down by becoming a giant humanoid beast form of said fruit, or similar to the Mink's Sulong form, or Luffy's Nika form which is Saiyan-esque, etc... Oda literally could make it be whatever he wishes, especially for the Mythical Zoan category which contains mystical entities like devine beasts and gods etc...
In conclusion this is how it goes for Zoan awakening according to my understanding from the manga:
1- Regular Zoan fruits: Become a giant humanoid of said DF model.
2- Ancient Zoan fruits: It's not depicted in the manga but I don't think it's different from the regular Zoan awakening because ancient beasts are just regular beasts that were mostly extinct in the One Piece world.
3- Mythical Zoan fruits: Oda has total freedom here and could go about it in many ways mainly because the mystical model for the fruit possess some weird abilities of their own (rubber body, pheonix flames, flame clouds, shapeshifing etc...)
Oh, I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing! I more familiar with western dragons so I always thought dragons were based on reptiles.
It was not mentioned anywhere but based on the new info from the recent chapters Chopper's monster point ticks all the boxes of an awakened zoan.
The difference with chopper's awakening is that he does get huge but his normal mode is tiny so it makes more sense if you know what I mean. Also, his monster point is different from his other forms, maybe even a combination of them such as horn point, heavy point etc, but that's the thing, chopper has a number of different transformations but the rest zoans we ve seen only a couple of them.
On the other hand, Kaido is already huge. I already thought his dragon form was ridiculously enormous so anything bigger than that.... well even a two page panel won't fit it...
That's sounds about right but it's still a confusing system which Oda needs to explain at some point... Maybe rare zoan fruits only have a limited amount of transformations, like dragon form for Kaido and a hybrid awakening. If that's not the case then that means that Kaido's top commanders and even Marco can't use awakening. I mean, all of them were pushed to their absolute limit and noone mentioned using an awakened form.
I still think Zoan awakening is a bit challenging for Oda. With Logia and paramecia it's easy, just make them turn their surroundings to their element. Chopper was still easy since he is tiny so making him bigger makes sense and you can argue that the awakening of the human fruit is transforming him from a human to a giant. Luffy is also easy because his fruit is exactly like a paramecia. He made him undergo the white transformation since zoan's signature are transformations and simply made him able to change his surroundings to his rubbery element. This could be possible with Marko (changing everything to blue flames), but I can't see how it can work with Kaido. I guess time will tell and I am sure Oda will deliver as always.
Ok, this is insane.... I made the connection between god nika and Enel in my previous post but that was for his base form. I completely forgot about this transformation... That could actually mean that Enel god illusion wasn't just because he is megalomaniac... Maybe all this time he knew everything about Joyboy's form and his ability to use thunderbolts (which in the case of Luffy is most likely Haki) so when he got his fruit he probably thought he got the Nika fruit and simply tried to copy this form.
Another scenario is that his fruit is also a Hito Hito mythical god fruit. Maybe all the gods whose will was trapped/inserted into fruits where the ones that ruled 800 years ago and their trademark was that omega shaped thing around their neck. In any case this is just incredible!!! The continuation element in one piece is out of this world...
It was not mentioned anywhere but based on the new info from the recent chapters Chopper's monster point ticks all the boxes of an awakened zoan.
The difference with chopper's awakening is that he does get huge but his normal mode is tiny so it makes more sense if you know what I mean. Also, his monster point is different from his other forms, maybe even a combination of them such as horn point, heavy point etc, but that's the thing, chopper has a number of different transformations but the rest zoans we ve seen only a couple of them.
On the other hand, Kaido is already huge. I already thought his dragon form was ridiculously enormous so anything bigger than that.... well even a two page panel won't fit it...
That's sounds about right but it's still a confusing system which Oda needs to explain at some point... Maybe rare zoan fruits only have a limited amount of transformations, like dragon form for Kaido and a hybrid awakening. If that's not the case then that means that Kaido's top commanders and even Marco can't use awakening. I mean, all of them were pushed to their absolute limit and noone mentioned using an awakened form.
I still think Zoan awakening is a bit challenging for Oda. With Logia and paramecia it's easy, just make them turn their surroundings to their element. Chopper was still easy since he is tiny so making him bigger makes sense and you can argue that the awakening of the human fruit is transforming him from a human to a giant. Luffy is also easy because his fruit is exactly like a paramecia. He made him undergo the white transformation since zoan's signature are transformations and simply made him able to change his surroundings to his rubbery element. This could be possible with Marko (changing everything to blue flames), but I can't see how it can work with Kaido. I guess time will tell and I am sure Oda will deliver as always.
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Ok, this is insane.... I made the connection between god nika and Enel in my previous post but that was for his base form. I completely forgot about this transformation... That could actually mean that Enel god illusion wasn't just because he is megalomaniac... Maybe all this time he knew everything about Joyboy's form and his ability to use thunderbolts (which in the case of Luffy is most likely Haki) so when he got his fruit he probably thought he got the Nika fruit and simply tried to copy this form.
Another scenario is that his fruit is also a Hito Hito mythical god fruit. Maybe all the gods whose will was trapped/inserted into fruits where the ones that ruled 800 years ago and their trademark was that omega shaped thing around their neck. In any case this is just incredible!!! The continuation element in one piece is out of this world...
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All my examples are factual, hope you appreciate I took the trouble to show you that partial transformations aren't Marco's thing:
—Funkfreed has shown the ability to partially transform as it sometimes invokes its elephant legs and sometimes it doesn't:
—Onigumo ate a spider zoan who has shown the ability to generate his extra limbs both with and without spider abdomen:
—Orochi can freely grow snake heads and he decides whether he will transform his human head or not. When speaking with CP0 he grows two snake heads and transforms his human one while the rest of the body remain in base:
...But he can also grow Yamata-no-Orochi heads out of his human body without further transformation, as shown in Kanjuro's flashback:
—Pekoms is capable of transforming his back alone into a turtle shell while the rest of his body remains in base; I can't find the panels in Google, but you can check them in chapter 652. We also know for a fact that Pekoms had his turtle shell on in this panel since he confirmed to have protected himself with it:
—Regarding Kaido, apart from the fact that he further transforms when changing modes, we recently saw him in dragon form yet with his oni torso:
"Show me a panel were a zoan has only transformed a hand or only other parts of their body", so there you go. Even if you dismiss Funkfreed and Kaido examples, it's clear as day that Pekoms only transformed his back, Orochi only grew two beast heads and Onigumo partially transformed by getting spider arms alone. Pretty undeniable.
—Funkfreed has shown the ability to partially transform as it sometimes invokes its elephant legs and sometimes it doesn't:
—Onigumo ate a spider zoan who has shown the ability to generate his extra limbs both with and without spider abdomen:
—Orochi can freely grow snake heads and he decides whether he will transform his human head or not. When speaking with CP0 he grows two snake heads and transforms his human one while the rest of the body remain in base:
...But he can also grow Yamata-no-Orochi heads out of his human body without further transformation, as shown in Kanjuro's flashback:
—Pekoms is capable of transforming his back alone into a turtle shell while the rest of his body remains in base; I can't find the panels in Google, but you can check them in chapter 652. We also know for a fact that Pekoms had his turtle shell on in this panel since he confirmed to have protected himself with it:
—Regarding Kaido, apart from the fact that he further transforms when changing modes, we recently saw him in dragon form yet with his oni torso:
"Show me a panel were a zoan has only transformed a hand or only other parts of their body", so there you go. Even if you dismiss Funkfreed and Kaido examples, it's clear as day that Pekoms only transformed his back, Orochi only grew two beast heads and Onigumo partially transformed by getting spider arms alone. Pretty undeniable.
You're welcome! Don't get me wrong, it is true that ryus are linked to reptiles to a lesser degree (the Ryu Ryu family of zoans are named after the common particle "ryu" in the Japanese terms for many groups of reptiles: dinosaurs, pterosaurs, lizards...; something equivalent to the English "saurian"), but the connection with fishes and other aquatic animals is very powerful and goes quite back in time (let's remember the best known example of this connection, which is the legend of the carp climbing a waterfall and becoming a dragon). Luffy thinking of Momonosuke as an eel isn't just a gag: Eastern dragons do resemble fishes (even the lips: notice that Kaido's mouth reminds of a grouper, Gyarados's style) and other references to their aquatic nature have been made in this series (Ryugu Kingdom, for example).
It's quite a fascinating topic, in my opinion. Makes you think of how different cultures understand the world around them.
It's quite a fascinating topic, in my opinion. Makes you think of how different cultures understand the world around them.
It had an actual peacock on her dress which was confirmed.
Her design is that of a peacock
In ancient mythology the dragon was the brother with his sister being an ancient pheasant that was a peacock.
And this still isn't even all of the references within one piece with hiyori.
So you ain't trolling. You are instead bullshitting
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Again all mythical zoans as shown thus far have different abilities than basic zoans
Some operate like paramecia: Luffy
Some operate like logias: Marco
Some wield elemental abilities: kaido and Yamato.
Some wield the ability to shape shift: the chick in Blackbeard's crew that are mytical 9 tailed fox fruit
None of them operate like REGULAR zoans
This chapter is actually better than the spoilers made it out to be. However, my personal view is that it is time to close out the fight and Wano subsequently. One thing I am actually looking forward to is seeing what Blackbeard (the cover might be a hint) and the rest of the World have been doing in the meantime.