General & Others Ace’s Novel : Part 2
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Unfortunately, both are speculations so far, unless some new light is shed on it soon. It could have started with Oden, or even a bit before. People were calling Kaido invincible back before the Oden fight.
This actually works with what I am saying. Kaido could beat up strong people, high tiers probably and gain such infamy. We don't know of any top tier he defeated at that time. Him having conquered Wano without anyone on the outside knowing what exactly transpired would then lead to the rumor becoming much more believable. The world knew Oden. Knew he was on Roger's and WB's ships. He even had a bounty. Tales of his strength were known to the world. Thus that would tremendously benefit Kaido's rumored 1 vs 1 and rumored WSC.
Thanks. I'll go in more detail on the in and out of manga hype down the line. I don't consider these novels really canon that much, unless Oda makes it so.
Linlin stated that Luffy will never be able to defeat that thing(Kaido). Linlin has known Kaido for years, he is of the same class as she is (yonko), she just saw what Luffy can do, and if he weren't the MC and constantly growing, she would end up being right. There's of course some sense of pride in that as well. As I said, they are Yonko, both of them, I am sure they think they are invincible. BB did say that though. Dreaded monster Kaido. Again the same thing with the Yonko stuff. BB is also rising in power currently. There's multiple evidence of it so far. I believe that he will eventually acquire a third df, I wrote about it before. But the key thing was his bounty. I feel like it was Oda's way of telling us that BB, while he might be strong, is still not up there with the monsters of the OP world. Basically, for him Kaido would be a monster.
That's mainly plot. But I will give a logical explanation for it as well. WB's crew was young at that time. Entering Wano is difficult, really difficult. We saw what happened when Linlin tried to enter, when the SHs entered, even WB's ship was badly damaged the first time. Kaido now had the backing of Wano people as well, i.e. a larger army. WB doesn't seem like a man that would destroy his little brother's country as well. A full fight would destroy Wano completely. There's more to it than just WB is stronger than Kaido, he could have beat him. As I said, it's mainly plot though.
Lmao. Try being a Mihawk fan and seeing people call him YC3 all the time. Putting every swordsman above him. Putting high tiers above him. People are only disputing Kaido being the strongest, from what I know most people have him in the top 5. Mihawk and Zoro are the most downplayed characters in the OP world by the fanbase.
A little point here as well. You could probably use that to argue that the title refers to humans, although the manga casts doubts upon that. But here's the thing. Oda, obviously couldn't have used the World's strongest MAN title for the mother (a female), nor could he have used the world's strongest swordsman title, again it refers to a man, and even if the WSS is the strongest in OP, it doesn't necessarily mean that the people would understand it that way. Basically the only neutral title was the creature title, and I said maybe you can use it to argue that it includes humans, but that's about it. Another thing is that Kaido has never been referred to as the actual WSC, as I said in the post you quoted it's always with some nuance around it. That's actually my biggest gripe with Kaido. Oda didn't have a problem naming WS title holders much earlier in the story. He said WB is the WSM, gave him an intro box, everything was clear, he said Mihawk is the WSS, gave him an intro box, everything was clear. However, on his own accord, he chose to differentiate with Kaido. Subtle hints imo.
He hasn't seen Linlin in decades. So she should be left out of the group, unless Oda changes his mind or something. Even if he went to WB he would probably lose to him. That was a younger, healthy WB. So those things would have helped him with the people say thing.
This is a bit misconstrued. Roger was testing Oden. Oden blocked the hit but was still sent flying far away. Roger wouldn't have had any killing intent in that clash. Moreover, that was Oden on his fourth year of travel. Later he joined Roger's crew and mostly searched for poneglyphs. He could have gotten a bit stronger since then, but it's also possible he peaked at that time as well. Later on he danced for 5 years, not really seeing how he could grow stronger by doing that. Secondly, Kaido hit Oden with a spiked club to a sensitive area, Oden's head, whilst Oden was off guard. We saw Oden clash with base Kaido earlier and Orochi had to intervene to stop it. Off guard attacks will always put an opponent down more easily than had they been on guard. Also Oden took hits before that as well.
As I said, my biggest gripe is that Oda intentionally did what he did. Also, shonen tropes and power inflation suggest and indicate that Kaido will not be the strongest. I don't think we will get to see the peak of OP world so fast in the story, with multiple arcs coming after it. It would take away from the tension even more. If Kaido was indeed the strongest, what would Luffy;s future opponents do? What should we expect if Luffy needs to take on an Admiral or Linlin or someone like that next? He would then, if we agree that Kaido is the strongest, remove the biggest obstacle on his way.
Talked about this above.
A couple of points here as well. Firstly, that could be low tier CP agents. Next up, they could have went to Baltigo in hopes of taking out the weakened revo or BB army. They probably thought that a battle would ensue between the revos and BB and wanted to pick off the survivors after that. Also the rev army is their biggest enemy. They would send a wrong message if they didn't come after them after finding out their location.
Aye, thanks. I dig it, quite a lot.
Gave ya a like for the effort though.
I just explained how it is, and you offered no counterargument. You just wrote a wall of filler. If that was supposed to be an answer to my points, then I am afraid I have to tell you it really isn't.
Thanks. I'll go in more detail on the in and out of manga hype down the line. I don't consider these novels really canon that much, unless Oda makes it so.
Linlin stated that Luffy will never be able to defeat that thing(Kaido). Linlin has known Kaido for years, he is of the same class as she is (yonko), she just saw what Luffy can do, and if he weren't the MC and constantly growing, she would end up being right. There's of course some sense of pride in that as well. As I said, they are Yonko, both of them, I am sure they think they are invincible. BB did say that though. Dreaded monster Kaido. Again the same thing with the Yonko stuff. BB is also rising in power currently. There's multiple evidence of it so far. I believe that he will eventually acquire a third df, I wrote about it before. But the key thing was his bounty. I feel like it was Oda's way of telling us that BB, while he might be strong, is still not up there with the monsters of the OP world. Basically, for him Kaido would be a monster.
That's mainly plot. But I will give a logical explanation for it as well. WB's crew was young at that time. Entering Wano is difficult, really difficult. We saw what happened when Linlin tried to enter, when the SHs entered, even WB's ship was badly damaged the first time. Kaido now had the backing of Wano people as well, i.e. a larger army. WB doesn't seem like a man that would destroy his little brother's country as well. A full fight would destroy Wano completely. There's more to it than just WB is stronger than Kaido, he could have beat him. As I said, it's mainly plot though.
Lmao. Try being a Mihawk fan and seeing people call him YC3 all the time. Putting every swordsman above him. Putting high tiers above him. People are only disputing Kaido being the strongest, from what I know most people have him in the top 5. Mihawk and Zoro are the most downplayed characters in the OP world by the fanbase.
A little point here as well. You could probably use that to argue that the title refers to humans, although the manga casts doubts upon that. But here's the thing. Oda, obviously couldn't have used the World's strongest MAN title for the mother (a female), nor could he have used the world's strongest swordsman title, again it refers to a man, and even if the WSS is the strongest in OP, it doesn't necessarily mean that the people would understand it that way. Basically the only neutral title was the creature title, and I said maybe you can use it to argue that it includes humans, but that's about it. Another thing is that Kaido has never been referred to as the actual WSC, as I said in the post you quoted it's always with some nuance around it. That's actually my biggest gripe with Kaido. Oda didn't have a problem naming WS title holders much earlier in the story. He said WB is the WSM, gave him an intro box, everything was clear, he said Mihawk is the WSS, gave him an intro box, everything was clear. However, on his own accord, he chose to differentiate with Kaido. Subtle hints imo.
He hasn't seen Linlin in decades. So she should be left out of the group, unless Oda changes his mind or something. Even if he went to WB he would probably lose to him. That was a younger, healthy WB. So those things would have helped him with the people say thing.
This is a bit misconstrued. Roger was testing Oden. Oden blocked the hit but was still sent flying far away. Roger wouldn't have had any killing intent in that clash. Moreover, that was Oden on his fourth year of travel. Later he joined Roger's crew and mostly searched for poneglyphs. He could have gotten a bit stronger since then, but it's also possible he peaked at that time as well. Later on he danced for 5 years, not really seeing how he could grow stronger by doing that. Secondly, Kaido hit Oden with a spiked club to a sensitive area, Oden's head, whilst Oden was off guard. We saw Oden clash with base Kaido earlier and Orochi had to intervene to stop it. Off guard attacks will always put an opponent down more easily than had they been on guard. Also Oden took hits before that as well.
As I said, my biggest gripe is that Oda intentionally did what he did. Also, shonen tropes and power inflation suggest and indicate that Kaido will not be the strongest. I don't think we will get to see the peak of OP world so fast in the story, with multiple arcs coming after it. It would take away from the tension even more. If Kaido was indeed the strongest, what would Luffy;s future opponents do? What should we expect if Luffy needs to take on an Admiral or Linlin or someone like that next? He would then, if we agree that Kaido is the strongest, remove the biggest obstacle on his way.
Talked about this above.
A couple of points here as well. Firstly, that could be low tier CP agents. Next up, they could have went to Baltigo in hopes of taking out the weakened revo or BB army. They probably thought that a battle would ensue between the revos and BB and wanted to pick off the survivors after that. Also the rev army is their biggest enemy. They would send a wrong message if they didn't come after them after finding out their location.
Aye, thanks. I dig it, quite a lot.
Gave ya a like for the effort though.
I just explained how it is, and you offered no counterargument. You just wrote a wall of filler. If that was supposed to be an answer to my points, then I am afraid I have to tell you it really isn't.
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Unfortunately, both are speculations so far, unless some new light is shed on it soon. It could have started with Oden, or even a bit before. People were calling Kaido invincible back before the Oden fight.
This actually works with what I am saying. Kaido could beat up strong people, high tiers probably and gain such infamy. We don't know of any top tier he defeated at that time. Him having conquered Wano without anyone on the outside knowing what exactly transpired would then lead to the rumor becoming much more believable. The world knew Oden. Knew he was on Roger's and WB's ships. He even had a bounty. Tales of his strength were known to the world. Thus that would tremendously benefit Kaido's rumored 1 vs 1 and rumored WSC.
Thanks. I'll go in more detail on the in and out of manga hype down the line. I don't consider these novels really canon that much, unless Oda makes it so.
Linlin stated that Luffy will never be able to defeat that thing(Kaido). Linlin has known Kaido for years, he is of the same class as she is (yonko), she just saw what Luffy can do, and if he weren't the MC and constantly growing, she would end up being right. There's of course some sense of pride in that as well. As I said, they are Yonko, both of them, I am sure they think they are invincible. BB did say that though. Dreaded monster Kaido. Again the same thing with the Yonko stuff. BB is also rising in power currently. There's multiple evidence of it so far. I believe that he will eventually acquire a third df, I wrote about it before. But the key thing was his bounty. I feel like it was Oda's way of telling us that BB, while he might be strong, is still not up there with the monsters of the OP world. Basically, for him Kaido would be a monster.
That's mainly plot. But I will give a logical explanation for it as well. WB's crew was young at that time. Entering Wano is difficult, really difficult. We saw what happened when Linlin tried to enter, when the SHs entered, even WB's ship was badly damaged the first time. Kaido now had the backing of Wano people as well, i.e. a larger army. WB doesn't seem like a man that would destroy his little brother's country as well. A full fight would destroy Wano completely. There's more to it than just WB is stronger than Kaido, he could have beat him. As I said, it's mainly plot though.
Lmao. Try being a Mihawk fan and seeing people call him YC3 all the time. Putting every swordsman above him. Putting high tiers above him. People are only disputing Kaido being the strongest, from what I know most people have him in the top 5. Mihawk and Zoro are the most downplayed characters in the OP world by the fanbase.
A little point here as well. You could probably use that to argue that the title refers to humans, although the manga casts doubts upon that. But here's the thing. Oda, obviously couldn't have used the World's strongest MAN title for the mother (a female), nor could he have used the world's strongest swordsman title, again it refers to a man, and even if the WSS is the strongest in OP, it doesn't necessarily mean that the people would understand it that way. Basically the only neutral title was the creature title, and I said maybe you can use it to argue that it includes humans, but that's about it. Another thing is that Kaido has never been referred to as the actual WSC, as I said in the post you quoted it's always with some nuance around it. That's actually my biggest gripe with Kaido. Oda didn't have a problem naming WS title holders much earlier in the story. He said WB is the WSM, gave him an intro box, everything was clear, he said Mihawk is the WSS, gave him an intro box, everything was clear. However, on his own accord, he chose to differentiate with Kaido. Subtle hints imo.
He hasn't seen Linlin in decades. So she should be left out of the group, unless Oda changes his mind or something. Even if he went to WB he would probably lose to him. That was a younger, healthy WB. So those things would have helped him with the people say thing.
This is a bit misconstrued. Roger was testing Oden. Oden blocked the hit but was still sent flying far away. Roger wouldn't have had any killing intent in that clash. Moreover, that was Oden on his fourth year of travel. Later he joined Roger's crew and mostly searched for poneglyphs. He could have gotten a bit stronger since then, but it's also possible he peaked at that time as well. Later on he danced for 5 years, not really seeing how he could grow stronger by doing that. Secondly, Kaido hit Oden with a spiked club to a sensitive area, Oden's head, whilst Oden was off guard. We saw Oden clash with base Kaido earlier and Orochi had to intervene to stop it. Off guard attacks will always put an opponent down more easily than had they been on guard. Also Oden took hits before that as well.
As I said, my biggest gripe is that Oda intentionally did what he did. Also, shonen tropes and power inflation suggest and indicate that Kaido will not be the strongest. I don't think we will get to see the peak of OP world so fast in the story, with multiple arcs coming after it. It would take away from the tension even more. If Kaido was indeed the strongest, what would Luffy;s future opponents do? What should we expect if Luffy needs to take on an Admiral or Linlin or someone like that next? He would then, if we agree that Kaido is the strongest, remove the biggest obstacle on his way.
Talked about this above.
A couple of points here as well. Firstly, that could be low tier CP agents. Next up, they could have went to Baltigo in hopes of taking out the weakened revo or BB army. They probably thought that a battle would ensue between the revos and BB and wanted to pick off the survivors after that. Also the rev army is their biggest enemy. They would send a wrong message if they didn't come after them after finding out their location.
Aye, thanks. I dig it, quite a lot.
I just explained how it is, and you offered no counterargument. You just wrote a wall of filler. If that was supposed to be an answer to my points, then I am afraid I have to tell you it really isn't.
Thanks. I'll go in more detail on the in and out of manga hype down the line. I don't consider these novels really canon that much, unless Oda makes it so.
Linlin stated that Luffy will never be able to defeat that thing(Kaido). Linlin has known Kaido for years, he is of the same class as she is (yonko), she just saw what Luffy can do, and if he weren't the MC and constantly growing, she would end up being right. There's of course some sense of pride in that as well. As I said, they are Yonko, both of them, I am sure they think they are invincible. BB did say that though. Dreaded monster Kaido. Again the same thing with the Yonko stuff. BB is also rising in power currently. There's multiple evidence of it so far. I believe that he will eventually acquire a third df, I wrote about it before. But the key thing was his bounty. I feel like it was Oda's way of telling us that BB, while he might be strong, is still not up there with the monsters of the OP world. Basically, for him Kaido would be a monster.
That's mainly plot. But I will give a logical explanation for it as well. WB's crew was young at that time. Entering Wano is difficult, really difficult. We saw what happened when Linlin tried to enter, when the SHs entered, even WB's ship was badly damaged the first time. Kaido now had the backing of Wano people as well, i.e. a larger army. WB doesn't seem like a man that would destroy his little brother's country as well. A full fight would destroy Wano completely. There's more to it than just WB is stronger than Kaido, he could have beat him. As I said, it's mainly plot though.
Lmao. Try being a Mihawk fan and seeing people call him YC3 all the time. Putting every swordsman above him. Putting high tiers above him. People are only disputing Kaido being the strongest, from what I know most people have him in the top 5. Mihawk and Zoro are the most downplayed characters in the OP world by the fanbase.
A little point here as well. You could probably use that to argue that the title refers to humans, although the manga casts doubts upon that. But here's the thing. Oda, obviously couldn't have used the World's strongest MAN title for the mother (a female), nor could he have used the world's strongest swordsman title, again it refers to a man, and even if the WSS is the strongest in OP, it doesn't necessarily mean that the people would understand it that way. Basically the only neutral title was the creature title, and I said maybe you can use it to argue that it includes humans, but that's about it. Another thing is that Kaido has never been referred to as the actual WSC, as I said in the post you quoted it's always with some nuance around it. That's actually my biggest gripe with Kaido. Oda didn't have a problem naming WS title holders much earlier in the story. He said WB is the WSM, gave him an intro box, everything was clear, he said Mihawk is the WSS, gave him an intro box, everything was clear. However, on his own accord, he chose to differentiate with Kaido. Subtle hints imo.
He hasn't seen Linlin in decades. So she should be left out of the group, unless Oda changes his mind or something. Even if he went to WB he would probably lose to him. That was a younger, healthy WB. So those things would have helped him with the people say thing.
This is a bit misconstrued. Roger was testing Oden. Oden blocked the hit but was still sent flying far away. Roger wouldn't have had any killing intent in that clash. Moreover, that was Oden on his fourth year of travel. Later he joined Roger's crew and mostly searched for poneglyphs. He could have gotten a bit stronger since then, but it's also possible he peaked at that time as well. Later on he danced for 5 years, not really seeing how he could grow stronger by doing that. Secondly, Kaido hit Oden with a spiked club to a sensitive area, Oden's head, whilst Oden was off guard. We saw Oden clash with base Kaido earlier and Orochi had to intervene to stop it. Off guard attacks will always put an opponent down more easily than had they been on guard. Also Oden took hits before that as well.
As I said, my biggest gripe is that Oda intentionally did what he did. Also, shonen tropes and power inflation suggest and indicate that Kaido will not be the strongest. I don't think we will get to see the peak of OP world so fast in the story, with multiple arcs coming after it. It would take away from the tension even more. If Kaido was indeed the strongest, what would Luffy;s future opponents do? What should we expect if Luffy needs to take on an Admiral or Linlin or someone like that next? He would then, if we agree that Kaido is the strongest, remove the biggest obstacle on his way.
Talked about this above.
A couple of points here as well. Firstly, that could be low tier CP agents. Next up, they could have went to Baltigo in hopes of taking out the weakened revo or BB army. They probably thought that a battle would ensue between the revos and BB and wanted to pick off the survivors after that. Also the rev army is their biggest enemy. They would send a wrong message if they didn't come after them after finding out their location.
Aye, thanks. I dig it, quite a lot.
I just explained how it is, and you offered no counterargument. You just wrote a wall of filler. If that was supposed to be an answer to my points, then I am afraid I have to tell you it really isn't.
As for the canonicity of the novel. it is canon, i managed to scrounge up a source for you mate.
Some people asked me about the canonicity of Novel Ace. This interview from official OP website might be helpful.
https://one-piece.com/special/usop/20180530_0891.html
- Oda said it would be appreciated if the novel handles Ace.
(Maybe this means editors asked Oda whether they can release Ace novel and Oda just approved it. It's ambiguous from the context if Oda mentioned Ace's name prior to editors or not.)
- Editors held meetings between Oda and the novel author. They used questions sheets which were prepared beforehand.
Oda said, "I hope the author of Novel Ace will feel free to imagine Ace's personality as much as possible."
- Shueisha decided to release Novel Ace Volume 2 since Volume 1 sold well.
- Novel author created the story. Oda and successive OP editors read it and gave him advices.
- Shueisha advertised it as official.
- According to editor Sugita in 2017, the novel author and editor consulted Oda several times when creating the story.
- The name of Spade Pirates ship "Piece of Spadille" was created by Oda.
I want to add something, the roger was testing Oden is pure speculation. He was going in with intent to beat him down as rayleigh and scopper were going in but roger stopped them, and in the manga itself it was stated that Oden has gotten a great deal stronger since his voyages. Of course sneak attacks deal more damage than if you were on guard but it still a testament to Kaido's might ( a younger weaker version of him) to basically one hit someone that took a named attack as a weaker version from the pirate king. No matter how you spin it its a feat in of itself my friend. And yes oden took more hits before but they were pretty much bruises. When you say Orochi had to intervene you make it sound as if kaido was at a disadvantage, when its simply not true. Enraged oden went to deal with orochi, saw the offerings to kaido and got even more mad and was gonna attack him again until Kaido showed up and stopped him. They were clearly fighting for a while. As apparently the citiziens were waiting outside for a few hours. Notice how Oden completely turned his back on orochi( even tho he was livid) and focused entirely on Kaido. And kaido was holding him back with ease and fighting him, then orochi made his proposal. In my mind, thats where kaido fucked up. He was too arrogant and thought that since he could handle him like that then flying around in dragon form should be no problem. I mean Oden wasnt sure he could deal with him head on, hence why his first plan was to try to kill him in his sleep or while he is drunk.
Have a good day/night buddy, ill read the rest and answer accordingly later!
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You decided to ignore it thats why there is a whole passage that pry out your whole point
Kaido is the apex predator he isnt only called king of animals but also strongest creature
WB title is a subtitle limited to humans
Kaidos title is universal
thats the whole sticking point why you just quoted the only sentence without the context
The fight against Oden was in his late youths he wasnt a yonko back then and even Oden said built your strength
While Oden couldnt sucker punch him Kaido did again a point you forgot
its like Jozu sucker punch on Kuzan
Kuzan did bleed a bit but destroyed him when Jozu was also distracted/unprepared
Kaido is the apex predator he isnt only called king of animals but also strongest creature
WB title is a subtitle limited to humans
Kaidos title is universal
thats the whole sticking point why you just quoted the only sentence without the context
The fight against Oden was in his late youths he wasnt a yonko back then and even Oden said built your strength
While Oden couldnt sucker punch him Kaido did again a point you forgot
its like Jozu sucker punch on Kuzan
Kuzan did bleed a bit but destroyed him when Jozu was also distracted/unprepared
"One Piece Manga and Anime — Vol. 70 Chapter 697 (p. 2) and Episode 623 , Law refers to Kaido as the "strongest creature in the world".
"One Piece Manga and Anime — Vol. 79 Chapter 795 (p. 17) and Episode 739 , The narration introduces Kaido as "the strongest creature".
and lastly chapter 923 last page the editor adds that:
"Such is Kaido, the strongest creature"
I dont know why you guys think he is not the strongest creature or did I think something can you post what they wrote instead now Im curious
"One Piece Manga and Anime — Vol. 79 Chapter 795 (p. 17) and Episode 739 , The narration introduces Kaido as "the strongest creature".
and lastly chapter 923 last page the editor adds that:
"Such is Kaido, the strongest creature"
I dont know why you guys think he is not the strongest creature or did I think something can you post what they wrote instead now Im curious
you mean that dont let yourself influence by that having a box or not doesnt change the fact that he is the strongest creature alive
that dude who posted that here random implies that there must be a box but there must not be box to have title in some boxes you have introduce other characters as pirates but ther 99% who doesnt have a box but there still pirates that example is not good he just wants to make Kaido useless in the SBS
Oda said:" that a mother is even stronger than Kaido
mother is generally the strongest creature ".
If Oda needs to write down everything he wouldnt even end the manga after 20 years he is the strongest living being/creature
that dude who posted that here random implies that there must be a box but there must not be box to have title in some boxes you have introduce other characters as pirates but ther 99% who doesnt have a box but there still pirates that example is not good he just wants to make Kaido useless in the SBS
Oda said:" that a mother is even stronger than Kaido
mother is generally the strongest creature ".
If Oda needs to write down everything he wouldnt even end the manga after 20 years he is the strongest living being/creature
I don't want to use this as "proof" yet, but in the official translation of Kaido's intro, the narrator called him a "man."
Narrator: (The man claimed…)
Later…
Narrator: (To repeat, this is a man who challenged the Navy and Four Emperors and was caught 18 times—and endured over a thousand tortures.)
Narrator: (The man claimed…)
Later…
Narrator: (To repeat, this is a man who challenged the Navy and Four Emperors and was caught 18 times—and endured over a thousand tortures.)
Its his epithet like Red-Hair or Whitebeard
Its like Big Mom called him a thing
He looks like a human and behave like one but he is apparently a being that is not human who knows
King of the beasts is like I wrote it he is the apex predator in the world thats prob he got his epithet
The trash he got from defeating Oden
lol Kaido lost 7 times against unknown persons he wasnt the strongest and he belongs to the newer generation so 20 years ago he was prob still young or late young not his prime the Kaido now is the different
Also Oden got one shot at an unprepared Kaido
Kaido got one shot at an unprepared Oden
Kaido knocked him out the same as Jozu and Kuzan
Jozu made him bleed a little but Kuzan destroyed him
Its like Big Mom called him a thing
He looks like a human and behave like one but he is apparently a being that is not human who knows
King of the beasts is like I wrote it he is the apex predator in the world thats prob he got his epithet
The trash he got from defeating Oden
lol Kaido lost 7 times against unknown persons he wasnt the strongest and he belongs to the newer generation so 20 years ago he was prob still young or late young not his prime the Kaido now is the different
Also Oden got one shot at an unprepared Kaido
Kaido got one shot at an unprepared Oden
Kaido knocked him out the same as Jozu and Kuzan
Jozu made him bleed a little but Kuzan destroyed him
No, as I said you just repeated a wall of filler. And you are doing it again.
Nope. Kaido has never been referred to as the actual WSC. It's all literally there. I even circled the parts. You just had to click on the picture and see it. Alas, I'll post it again.
Raw Japanese contains the quotation marks as well
Oda went out of his way to make it such. There's no panel in the manga where Kaido is introduced as the WSC. Only hearsay and rumors.
'People say' 'It is said' 'is often called' etc
The same rumors like Luffy being a monster who is 25 foot tall
Irrelevant.
Kaido possesses no title. That's the whole point.
Covered this above. It never says that he is the WSC.
Nope. That's just an editor comment and it does not appear in the Viz.
That's why I said you wrote a wall of filler. Before you quote me please read what I wrote.
Roger wanted to meet Oden.
He wanted him on his crew. He even begged WB to allow Oden to come with him.
Roger didn't have killing intent there. Oden was in awe when he saw Roger and WB go at it.
From the above we can infer that Roger was testing Oden and didn't go all in against him, as opposed to Kaido, who was fighting for his life.
The manga states that when Oden comes back to Wano he grew stronger in his voyages.
He met Roger on his 4th year of travelling.
He then travelled with Roger for a year. And after that he returned to Wano. He mainly searched for poneglyphs so it is possible he peaked by the time he clashed with Roger, or just grew marginally stronger while searching for poneglyphs and dancing for 5 years.
That was to illustrate that Oden on guard can fight base Kaido.
Nope. Kaido has never been referred to as the actual WSC. It's all literally there. I even circled the parts. You just had to click on the picture and see it. Alas, I'll post it again.
'People say' 'It is said' 'is often called' etc
The same rumors like Luffy being a monster who is 25 foot tall
Irrelevant.
Kaido possesses no title. That's the whole point.
Covered this above. It never says that he is the WSC.
Nope. That's just an editor comment and it does not appear in the Viz.
That's why I said you wrote a wall of filler. Before you quote me please read what I wrote.
Roger wanted to meet Oden.
The manga states that when Oden comes back to Wano he grew stronger in his voyages.
That was to illustrate that Oden on guard can fight base Kaido.
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