General & Others Ace’s Novel : Part 2

Yet there's a caption box that titles him the strongest despite being the fact he's conspicuously wired with medication.



Irony.

Illness has nothing to do with being the strongest.

Being the strongest is ability to win fights.

Whitebeard remained superior despite the fact he was ill because of you know, medication that kept him medically stable and fit.



Wrong actually.



Just says he earned the respect of subordinates through his strength.

Doesn't mean he's the strongest.

It's also something that can be said of any Emperor, their strength is partly why they're followed.

Also, we're told Kaido defeated most of his subordinates which led to them becoming his subordinates. Doesn't mean he's the strongest.



Not trying to convince you of anything nor do I need to.

Facts speak for themselves.

You don't understand the nuance of the word creature nor what it refers to.

Feeling has not relation with convincing. Just telling you the facts.



If you speak to someone who understand Japanese, the word they used there is a term used for Species/Creature which more or less means what I said.



Irrelevant. Just because they said it doesn't make it any less valid. Their statements are valid unless it's contradicted which is not the case.



The Ace Novel isn't more Canon than the Manga assuming you're not aware. The Manga is the number one source for information and everything else is meant to be consistent with it.

And Nope, no where do they state Kaido is stronger than Whitebeard. Where was that explicitly stated? I'm certain you're making this up.

Convenient for you to ignore where it's stated that:


It doesn't say Kaido is the strongest creature because Whitebeard died or anything people like to make up, it's simply because his body is almost immortal in effect.

All that's said is Kaido's the strongest creature due to his body and every-time that's stated, they always talk about how he comes across as immortal because of his durability, not how he's the best fighter.
-It is said that Kaido was above WB in term of strength (Rivaille's note: it is not said if it is Primebeard or Oldbeard but i thin that they are talking of the WB of the novel)

Then that claim is valid too as it was not contradicted either.
 
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Yet there's a caption box that titles him the strongest despite being the fact he's conspicuously wired with medication.



Irony.

Illness has nothing to do with being the strongest.

Being the strongest is ability to win fights.

Whitebeard remained superior despite the fact he was ill because of you know, medication that kept him medically stable and fit.



Wrong actually.



Just says he earned the respect of subordinates through his strength.

Doesn't mean he's the strongest.

It's also something that can be said of any Emperor, their strength is partly why they're followed.

Also, we're told Kaido defeated most of his subordinates which led to them becoming his subordinates. Doesn't mean he's the strongest.



Not trying to convince you of anything nor do I need to.

Facts speak for themselves.

You don't understand the nuance of the word creature nor what it refers to.

Feeling has not relation with convincing. Just telling you the facts.



If you speak to someone who understand Japanese, the word they used there is a term used for Species/Creature which more or less means what I said.



Irrelevant. Just because they said it doesn't make it any less valid. Their statements are valid unless it's contradicted which is not the case.



The Ace Novel isn't more Canon than the Manga assuming you're not aware. The Manga is the number one source for information and everything else is meant to be consistent with it.

And Nope, no where do they state Kaido is stronger than Whitebeard. Where was that explicitly stated? I'm certain you're making this up.

Convenient for you to ignore where it's stated that:


It doesn't say Kaido is the strongest creature because Whitebeard died or anything people like to make up, it's simply because his body is almost immortal in effect.

All that's said is Kaido's the strongest creature due to his body and every-time that's stated, they always talk about how he comes across as immortal because of his durability, not how he's the best fighter.
The ace novel is canon, meaning that whatever is written there is word from Oda and what he believes. Whitebeard being considered the strongest man at the time doesnt detract from kaido's title at all. As is englobes the entirety of that lives. I understand the nuances mate,but this is a shounen. Oda is directing his work towards teens not some aspiring philosophs alright? In his intro:

It is quite clear that it refers to a singular being, not a species or race

And it doesnt say hes the most durable or whatever, so please stop with that.

Also you keep spaming that intro of whitebeard from way back then where he was introduced as the worlds strongest man, yet notice how when he shows up in marineford no such intro box is there. In that same war whitebeard says that he cant be the strongest forever.
 
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Oh yeah it was Deuce, my bad man! Thanks! Still, how is deuces claim any less valid than buggys?
Uhhh sorry but you’re still wrong, that information is from Skull, what Deuce said is that Newgate’s no longer at his prime.

And as for your question, you were using “a YC said this about his own captain” to support your claim, so I thought I should correct you that he didn’t
 
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and the quotes on marineford from people who clearly werent aware that wbs health was that far in the gutter.
Sengoku confirmed that he was indeed the strongest in chapter 594 that is placed several months after MF arc (in real time)



He witnessed him at MF and yet didn't change his mind, to Sengoku he was the strongest even if WB was old and sick.

Kaido is the strongest now that WB is gone, but back then WB was the very top
 
Sengoku confirmed that he was indeed the strongest in chapter 594 that is placed several months after MF arc (in real time)



He witnessed him at MF and yet didn't change his mind, to Sengoku he was the strongest even if WB was old and sick.

Kaido is the strongest now that WB is gone, but back then WB was the very top
The greatest doesnt mean the strongest, and he didnt specify that he was the strongest during marineford. You cant seriously be thinking that he was mate.
 
Uhhh sorry but you’re still wrong, that information is from Skull, what Deuce said is that Newgate’s no longer at his prime.

And as for your question, you were using “a YC said this about his own captain” to support your claim, so I thought I should correct you that he didn’t
Who's skull? From the summary it only says it is said that kaido is stronger than whitebeard. Thats it.

-It is said that Kaido was above WB in term of strength (Rivaille's note: it is not said if it is Primebeard or Oldbeard but i thin that they are talking of the WB of the novel)

Im talking about this, from rivaille's post i dont see mention of skull or anything. Just the quote.
 
That is pure speculation, a lot of players from the new gen are either in or coming into wano. For them to stand as equals to luffy and be seen as legit rivals to get the one piece, then some of them need to put about as much work than luffy. The emperor system is gonna be done after this arc, shanks is fallling to teach and big mom and kaido are fallling this arc i garentee it. This sage is called vs yonko saga and it started 10 years ago. The young gen will overhtrow the old and move on.
After WCI ended, Luffy, with a grand fleet under him and a newly acquired territory, was ALMOST recognized as an Emperor. Blackbeard and Shanks made allusions to him being ALMOST "there" (Emperor). All this before the arc where Luffy was promised a legendary battle with Kaido (and EVEN Big Mom). King and Queen, Kaido's strongest, show the obvious tell-all signs of being Zoro's and Sanji's opponents. Yet for some reason, Luffy being recognized as an Emperor is "pure speculation," and everything points to irrelevant worst gen pirates being equals to Luffy well near the series's end game.
 
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A rough translation
“Why is he the strongest is a hard question. This is not some childish stuff that was determined by running, arm wrestling, or the rankings based on your test scores.
Based on pirate maniac Skull’s knowledge, talking purely about strength, in an one on one fight Kaido should win......that’s what is said.
Although these discussions of strongest are just like snacks to go with alcohol, but it is said that Kaido is the ‘Strongest Creature’ that cannot die even if you try to kill him, Big Mom is the ‘Strongest Family”, and Edward Newgate is the ‘Strongest Pirate” for the way he lives.”
 
A rough translation
“Why is he the strongest is a hard question. This is not some childish stuff that was determined by running, arm wrestling, or the rankings based on your test scores.
Based on pirate maniac Skull’s knowledge, talking purely about strength, in an one on one fight Kaido would probably win......that’s what is said.
Although these discussions of strongest are just like snacks to go with alcohol, but it is said that Kaido is the ‘Strongest Creature’ that cannot die even if you try to kill him, Big Mom is the ‘Strongest Family”, and Edward Newgate is the ‘Strongest Pirate” for the way he lives.”
And in this very moment Eten gave all the wankers a big fat slap to the face, lol. So basically nothing changed. Random hearsay
 
After WCI ended, Luffy, with a grand fleet under him and a newly acquired territory, was ALMOST recognized as an Emperor. Blackbeard and Shanks made allusions to him being ALMOST "there" (Emperor). All this before the arc where Luffy was promised a legendary battle with Kaido (and EVEN Big Mom). King and Queen, Kaido's strongest, show the obvious tell-all signs of being Zoro's and Sanji's opponents. Yet for some reason, Luffy being recognized as an Emperor is "pure speculation," and everything points to irrelevant worst gen pirates being equals to Luffy well near the series's end game.
Luffy's emperor fluff is purely on fake news morgans hyping him up beyond what he actually did. The Government didnt recognize him as such, blackbeard said it was too soon for him ( so how is that an allusion to him being almost there fam?) and shanks did say he will see him soon based on said fake news. Oda had kidd in mind even before adding in other supernovas as a rival to luffy, then he added in law and made those 3 walk out of the slave auction and portrayed them as rivals( kidd moreso), so now you wanna tell me that law who orchestrated the alliance with the goal of taking down kaido. And kidd who has even more of a grudge to actually take down kaido than luffy, and some other supernovas who are being built up to be future navy powers like drake will not have a huge if not equal part in taking kaido down? Come on man. The story is about luffy becoming pirate king but hes got to have rivals or else the story will become stale. All of those guys will grow during wano and once wano is over. The old gen will be done( shanks,kaido big mom) and make way for the new( kidd,law,blackbeard,luffy,etc) those are the ones who will shape up the future of onee piece.
 
Didn't Oden almost kill Kaido though.

And what about the fact that Shanks became infamous through Mihawk? Imagine Shanks becoming infamous through duels with Vista.
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Except when kaido fell down, oden yelled never come back to wano to him while charging him. Thats not something you say to someone youre about to kill you know, and given the fact that in the split second it took for oden to turn around to look at momo, kaido got up and covered all that ground and hit him. So whats telling you he wouldnt have blocked that next attack? Its all left so vague to make the fight look inconclusive and unsatisfying. Just as it felt for kaido because of the old hag's interference.
 
Yeah, but unless you have them and can read them, you’re just reading summaries and interpretations from another person, which I don’t think is the best source of evidence
I can read french, but i dont have them true. I wonder if i can get my hands on it? Maybe amazon, then i could share screenshots and such.
 
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