General & Others Ace’s Novel : Part 2

[HPsyche]

I like how you highlighted strongest creature but not the rest, you know. AMONG ALL LIVING THINGS. As far as i know humans are living things. This shows how biased you are and just how baseless your entire argument is when alll you are doing is using headcanon. When the fuck did they say that they only refer to him as the strongest creature because they do not know his race? Oh wait, nowhere.
You keep making stuff up. You gotta stop.

Yes and the cheetah is the fastest, its faster than humans and faster than anything else. I dont get your point?

You obviously don't understand how the word "Creature" is used.

• If you go on google and type: "how many humans exist", you get the answer 7.8 billion.
• If you google "how many creatures exist", you get the answer 8.7 million

Simple maths here given that billion is bigger than millions, but according to your logic, there should be 7.8 billion creatures because there are 7.8 billion humans.

• Thing is you don't understand how the word creature is used.

Creature is not a term that identifies any individual. It's a term that identifies "Characteristics" or "Types" of animals.

There may be 7.8 billion Humans, but that is just 1 Type of Creature or Animal. Not 7.8 billion Creatures or Animals. Humans are just 1 of 8.7 million creatures.

T-Rex is a type of creature (that btw do not exist), but it identifies anything that has specific characteristic consistent with the T-Rex.

Creature is simply a label for anything that fits certain characteristic.

Whatever Creature Kaido identifies as which is unknown, it's the strongest in terms of physical durability. Whatever Creature kaido belongs to is identified for their durability.

Not that he is the strongest individual.

End of the day, if he were the strongest fighter, he'd be known as the strongest Pirate if the above is something you don't quite understand.

 

[Fujishiro]

Sure, Luffy could get help, but he's doing the major bulk work on taking down Kaido. And after this arc, will be seen as a proper Emperor.

Again, my argument about not all arc villains being comparable still stands.

That is pure speculation, a lot of players from the new gen are either in or coming into wano. For them to stand as equals to luffy and be seen as legit rivals to get the one piece, then some of them need to put about as much work than luffy. The emperor system is gonna be done after this arc, shanks is fallling to teach and big mom and kaido are fallling this arc i garentee it. This sage is called vs yonko saga and it started 10 years ago. The young gen will overhtrow the old and move on.

 

[Valtiel]

You obviously don't understand how the word "Creature" is used.

• If you go on google and type: "how many humans exist", you get the answer 7.8 billion.
• If you google "how many creatures exist", you get the answer 8.7 million

Simple maths here given that billion is bigger than millions, but according to your logic, there should be 8.7 billion creatures because there are 8.7 billion humans.

• Thing is you don't understand how the word creature is used.

Creature is not a term that identifies any individual. It's a term that identifies "Characteristics" or "Types" of animals.

There may be 8.7 billion Humans, but that is just 1 Type of Creature or Animal. Not 8.7 billion Creatures or Animals.

T-Rex is a type of creature (that btw do not exist), but it identifies anything that has specific characteristic consistent with the T-Rex.

Creature is simply a label for anything that fits certain characteristic.

Whatever Creature Kaido identifies as which is unknown, it's the strongest in terms of physical durability. Whatever Creature kaido belongs to is identified for their durability.

Not that he is the strongest individual.

End of the day, if he were the strongest fighter, he'd be known as the strongest Pirate if the above is something you don't quite understand.

 

[Fujishiro]

Never said he was Luffy's end goal.



Kaido preferred to turn the other way around. The only reason they're incomparable is because one goes against your confirmation bias.



No.



You mean like Big Mom > Roger?

They are incomparable because the only thing we know there is that shanks stopped him from reaching marineford. We dont know the context. If they show what happened and kaido just backed down without shanks offering him something or bargaining with him, and kaido was with his crew and not alone then ill agree with you. Until then we know nothing.

 

[Fujishiro]

Never said he was Luffy's end goal.



Kaido preferred to turn the other way around. The only reason they're incomparable is because one goes against your confirmation bias.



No.



You mean like Big Mom > Roger?

I never once said Big Mom> Roger. Either debate me properly or stop quoting me.

 

[HPsyche]

So, Kaido has been confronted by both:

• Big Mom
• and Shanks

Yet, in both scenarios, he didn't get his way.

Shanks didn't let him go to Marineford and he had to turn around; Big Mom didn't just leave, fought with him to a stalemate and he settled with having drinks with her.

Doesn't exactly give off the impression he's stronger than every other Pirate.

1 on 1 with Big Mom who wasn't even with all her Homies.

 

[Fujishiro]

You obviously don't understand how the word "Creature" is used.

• If you go on google and type: "how many humans exist", you get the answer 7.8 billion.
• If you google "how many creatures exist", you get the answer 8.7 million

Simple maths here given that billion is bigger than millions, but according to your logic, there should be 7.8 billion creatures because there are 7.8 billion humans.

• Thing is you don't understand how the word creature is used.

Creature is not a term that identifies any individual. It's a term that identifies "Characteristics" or "Types" of animals.

There may be 7.8 billion Humans, but that is just 1 Type of Creature or Animal. Not 7.8 billion Creatures or Animals. Humans are just 1 of 8.7 million creatures.

T-Rex is a type of creature (that btw do not exist), but it identifies anything that has specific characteristic consistent with the T-Rex.

Creature is simply a label for anything that fits certain characteristic.

Whatever Creature Kaido identifies as which is unknown, it's the strongest in terms of physical durability. Whatever Creature kaido belongs to is identified for their durability.

Not that he is the strongest individual.

End of the day, if he were the strongest fighter, he'd be known as the strongest Pirate if the above is something you don't quite understand.

I just sent you a link of kaidos japanese name, it reverse to strongest living thing, organism. You wanna jump through hoops and say that they meant to say strongest race, thats on you. If it was strongest race then they would just say that.

 

[HPsyche]

I just sent you a link of kaidos japanese name, it reverse to strongest living thing, organism. You wanna jump through hoops and say that they meant to say strongest race, thats on you. If it was strongest race then they would just say that.

If you use a dictionary:

Living Organism means Creatures which also means Species.

Terms that describe characteristic and not individuality.

His characteristic is an almost impenetrable body or incredibly powerful flesh. That's really it.

 

[Fujishiro]

So, Kaido has been confronted by both:

• Big Mom
• and Shanks

Yet, in both scenarios, he didn't get his way.

Shanks didn't let him go to Marineford and he had to turn around; Big Mom didn't just leave, fought with him to a stalemate and he settled with having drinks with her.

Doesn't exactly give off the impression he's stronger than every other Pirate.

Sigh.. I think youre under the impression that if you are the strongest you just mid diff everyone. Whereas no one ever said that. Akainu is stronger than aokiji right? Yet it still took 10 days of fighting to determine the victor, what makes you think that 1-2 days of fighting between big mom and kaido was enough to give on the edge over the other? Your definition of strongest is flawed. As for shanks, we dont know the context of what happened there so lets stick to what we know please.

 

[Fujishiro]

If you use a dictionary:

Living Organism means Creatures which also means Species.

Terms that describe characteristic and not individuality.

This is a SHOUNEN, for young boys you know. Oda is writting things as simply as possible. Hes not doing this overly complex thing you claim kaidos epiteth to be. It just means that he is the strongest living thing at the moment. They even go on to say before this that out of everyone, land sea or air he is thee strongest living thing. And you wanna tell me it means strongest race? Come on man. try harder.

 

[Fujishiro]

The dude thinks oda isnt writting this for regular kids who read manga. The easiest way to convey something is the simplest.

 

[HA001]

The dude thinks oda isnt writting this for regular kids who read manga. The easiest way to convey something is the simplest.

So mihawk > all swordsman right including the yonko and admiral swordsmen...

 

[Fujishiro]

So mihawk > all swordsman right including the yonko and admiral swordsmen...

I agree with you, mihawk should be stronger than all top tiers who rely on swords only!
I never once denied that, mihawk is a beastly man. Did you know that he was supposed to have the title claivoyant? Maybe his observation haki works like violas df?

 

[HPsyche]

Sigh.. I think youre under the impression that if you are the strongest you just mid diff everyone. Whereas no one ever said that. Akainu is stronger than aokiji right? Yet it still took 10 days of fighting to determine the victor, what makes you think that 1-2 days of fighting between big mom and kaido was enough to give on the edge over the other? Your definition of strongest is flawed. As for shanks, we dont know the context of what happened there so lets stick to what we know please.

Nope, just quite clear he's not the strongest.

No one could claim that Big Mom would have lost or won, we just know it was an even match.

Kaido's title is simply referring to his flesh's sturdiness and nothing more.

Even with medication, he's still referred to as the strongest man. Convenient to forget Kaido is also a man.

And as stated, Whitebeard was regarded as the one closest to being Pirate King simply for being the strongest. Kaido hasn't meaning he's not the strongest Pirate.

In Marineford:

1. Akainu said he's the ruler of the sea (something Kaido's not been said to be)
2. RA refer to Whitebeard as the strongest pirate in the world and greatest.
3. Sengoku saying him to be the strongest man (convenient to forget Kaido is also a man).

Kaido is and has always been the strongest creature because of his race which bestows him with incredibly defensive physique. That's it.

 

[Fujishiro]

Nope, just quite clear he's not the strongest.

No one could claim that Big Mom would have lost or won, we just know it was an even match.

Kaido's title is simply referring to his flesh's sturdiness and nothing more.

Even with medication, he's still referred to as the strongest man. Convenient to forget Kaido is also a man.

And as stated, Whitebeard was regarded as the one closest to being Pirate King simply for being the strongest. Kaido hasn't meaning he's not the strongest Pirate.

In Marineford:

1. Akainu said he's the ruler of the sea (something Kaido's not been said to be)
2. RA refer to Whitebeard as the strongest pirate in the world and greatest.
3. Sengoku saying him to be the strongest man (convenient to forget Kaido is also a man).

Kaido is and has always been the strongest creature because of his race which bestows him with incredibly defensive physique. That's it.

You keep repeating the same stuff and i keep providing you with arguments, this is going in circles. Have a good day, obviously i cant change your warped mind.

 

[HPsyche]

You keep repeating the same stuff and i keep providing you with arguments, this is going in circles. Have a good day, obviously i cant change your warped mind.

I just have evidence for my points and your points are based on feeling.

The idea that Luffy's defeating the most powerful Pirate in the series in his first fight against an Emperor is really illogical to say the least.

Evidence also doesn't change, it's always the same things.

It's like me saying Zoro is a Swordsman, you say he's not and what else besides Zoro with a Sword can I show you to prove so? Using the same evidence is not proof of being wrong. Evidence is just limited.

Your entire argument is more or less based on a misunderstanding of what creature means, what it's referring to and why his status is strongest creature and not strongest man.

Simply put, if he were the strongest man, he'd be called the strongest man. He's not.

 

[Fujishiro]

I just have evidence for my points and your points are based on feeling.

The idea that Luffy's defeating the most powerful Pirate in the series in his first fight against an Emperor is really illogical to say the least.

Evidence also doesn't change, it's always the same things.

It's like me saying Zoro is a Swordsman, you say he's not and what else besides Zoro with a Sword can I show you to prove so? Using the same evidence is not proof of being wrong. Evidence is just limited.

Your entire argument is more or less based on a misunderstanding of what creature means, what it's referring to and why his status is strongest creature and not strongest man.

Simply put, if he were the strongest man, he'd be called the strongest man. He's not.

Are you serious? Feeling? Your only evidence you keep spaming is whitebeards title which ive never disputed, and the quotes on marineford from people who clearly werent aware that wbs health was that far in the gutter. I keep referring to multiple chapters, the latest one being 957 in which sengoku clearly fucking says that kaido rose to yonko status thanks to sheer invidual might alone.
You talk about feeling and all you do is try to convince us that kaidos title is only referring to race where nowhere was it said. The one relying on feeling here is zoro.
The misunderstanding is on you mate, the print is clear. Heck the original ( japanese) says living thing. How does that translate to whatever it is you want it to be?

And also youre using buggy quoting whitebeard, a man he last saw as far as we know back during his clash with roger, and quote from garp who hasnt seen whitebeard in ages as valid. Yet when i use the ace novel's thatch, you know the guys whos a yonko commander and living WITH whitebeard, who says that kaido is stronger as non valid? Come the fuck on.

 

[Deleted member 83]

ace novel's thatch...who says that kaido is stronger as non valid?

Just you know, it’s not Thatch who said that

 

[HPsyche]

and the quotes on marineford from people who clearly werent aware that wbs health was that far in the gutter.

Yet there's a caption box that titles him the strongest despite being the fact he's conspicuously wired with medication.

Irony.

Illness has nothing to do with being the strongest.

Being the strongest is ability to win fights.

Whitebeard remained superior despite the fact he was ill because of you know, medication that kept him medically stable and fit.

957 in which sengoku clearly fucking says that kaido rose to yonko status thanks to sheer invidual might alone.

Wrong actually.

Just says he earned the respect of subordinates through his strength.

Doesn't mean he's the strongest.

It's also something that can be said of any Emperor, their strength is partly why they're followed.

Also, we're told Kaido defeated most of his subordinates which led to them becoming his subordinates. Doesn't mean he's the strongest.

You talk about feeling and all you do is try to convince us that kaidos title is only referring to race where nowhere was it said. The one relying on feeling here is zoro.

Not trying to convince you of anything nor do I need to.

Facts speak for themselves.

You don't understand the nuance of the word creature nor what it refers to.

Feeling has not relation with convincing. Just telling you the facts.

Heck the original ( japanese) says living thing.

If you speak to someone who understand Japanese, the word they used there is a term used for Species/Creature which more or less means what I said.

And also youre using buggy quoting whitebeard, a man he last saw as far as we know back during his clash with roger, and quote from garp who hasnt seen whitebeard in ages as valid.

Irrelevant. Just because they said it doesn't make it any less valid. Their statements are valid unless it's contradicted which is not the case.

Yet when i use the ace novel's thatch, you know the guys whos a yonko commander and living WITH whitebeard, who says that kaido is stronger as non valid? Come the fuck on.

The Ace Novel isn't more Canon than the Manga assuming you're not aware. The Manga is the number one source for information and everything else is meant to be consistent with it.

And Nope, no where do they state Kaido is stronger than Whitebeard. Where was that explicitly stated? I'm certain you're making this up.

Convenient for you to ignore where it's stated that:

-It is said that Kaido is the WSC because of his apparent immortality and that he is a ferocious fighter

It doesn't say Kaido is the strongest creature because Whitebeard died or anything people like to make up, it's simply because his body is almost immortal in effect.

All that's said is Kaido's the strongest creature due to his body and every-time that's stated, they always talk about how he comes across as immortal because of his durability, not how he's the best fighter.

 

[Fujishiro]

Just you know, it’s not Thatch who said that

Oh yeah it was Deuce, my bad man! Thanks! Still, how is deuces claim any less valid than buggys?