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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Your question can be simplified into this:
If Vergo and Pica don't look cool, how can it be Haki?

Purpose of Haki is not to be cool, it's to make the user more powerful defensively and offensively.

Furthermore, you're yet to explain why Rayleigh's hands aren't black despite the fact he's actually using Advanced Haki here.



Admirals are obviously... using Advanced Armament here. No black shading. If Haki were literally black, this panel would be Black.
Lmfao.
Thats not an answer bud.
G4 is it just luffy blowing himself up no black haki visible ?
 
So youre telling me g4 just looks like normal luffy but fat like gomu gomu no balloon to the people of the one piece world ?
So, you're telling me that One Piece is not a series where the author tries to portray the main character as hilarious and absurd looking? Joker was laughing at him.

Seems the problem you're having is not the theory, but rather, Luffy wouldn't look cool in black. Looking cool is not the purpose of Armament Haki.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Didn't say that. Just said no proof or evidence he's the best Armament user in the series.
No proof that he isnt the best in CoA either. In fact, Kokuto points otherwise, that he actually is.
He is best in something, something all those others couldnt achieve. That something could easily be CoA.
Zoro wouldn't have to wonder about how blades become black.
Zoro wonders because Mihawk didnt tell him the exact process while he could have. The story benefits from Zoro not knowing it yet.
Can assure you, you're wrong.



Doesn't say he fought them singlehandedly, that's be quite unrealistic. Wano is a country of Samurai. More likely he lead the Samurai, but doesn't mean he did it all alone. No one is so powerful that they can defeat an entire army especially without abilities like Whitebeard.
Even Mihawk couldn't defeat the entire WG.
Why are you assuring me that I am wrong when that panel literally says "but One Man stood fast and mighty against these enemies..."? Well you are talking about a Sword God, nothing says he was helped by anyone, it says One Man.

Quite wrong.
400 years between Ryuma and Oden. There would have been plenty powerful in-between.
What is wrong? You know other names or what? And where did you get the 400 years gap?

Nope, no where does it state or hint Armament makes a blade black. It's not stated anywhere.
Mihawk talks about Armament in the same panel where he talks about Kokuto.
Black blades are extremely hard. What is Hardening doing? Making blades harder... How many hints do you need?

Like I said, "Hint". Mihawk has told Zoro not to acquire nicks on his blade and he's training Zoro towards the route of challenging him as a worthy opponent implying that's a hint.
Nonetheless hasn't said anything about Haki determining whether a blade becomes black.


All we're told is Ryuma's sword was forged through countless battles. This is literally the one fact we know about Black blades.
But he didnt tell him to not acquire nicks, he told him to treat every nick as a mark of shame.
Through countless battles, at some point, Ryuma could have achieved unparalleled level of CoA and got a Kokuto...
That absolutely doesnt dismiss the Haki as main ingredient.

Easy, Haki users can sense Haki.
Shanks was able to sense Ace's Haki.
Bellamy was also able to sense Luffy's Haki at the Colosseum.
Blackbeard was able to sense Luffy's Haki too.
No. All you had to say is anime isnt canon...
So what if they can sense it? There is no difference between using Hardening just on one arm and using it on entire body.
Quality is not better, only the amount used is covering larger surface.

Most of your arguments are based on pre-TS lack of Hardening, you keep showing haki blasts, that is not Hardening.
Can your arguments work with post-TS only?
 
No proof that he isnt the best in CoA either. In fact, Kokuto points otherwise, that he actually is.
Nope, it doesn't.

That's just what you want to believe.

He is best in something, something all those others couldnt achieve. That something could easily be CoA.
No proof it is.

Why are you assuring me that I am wrong when that panel literally says "but One Man stood fast and mighty against these enemies..."? Well you are talking about a Sword God, nothing says he was helped by anyone, it says One Man.
Doesn't mean he fought alone.

It just means he stood out as a fighter; he was their strongest warrior. Not that he was the only one who fought.

You're definitely wrong because the Samurai are people with code and honour. They wouldn't cower and let one man handle everything.

But he didnt tell him to not acquire nicks, he told him to treat every nick as a mark of shame.
Entire point of telling him it's a shame to acquire nicks is so he would make sure he didn't.

Think that should be pretty obvious.

What is wrong? You know other names or what? And where did you get the 400 years gap?
Seems you're not aware Ryuma died 400 years ago.

Oden was 25 years ago.

That's according to mathematics, a 375 year gap - roughly 400.

Those were not the only 2 people that made Wano feared; Wano is known for its warriors. There would definitely have been powerful people over the course of years and many would have tried to come to Wano over those 400 years.

Mihawk talks about Armament in the same panel where he talks about Kokuto.
Pretty irrelevant.

Entire point he was making was: Black blades are hard and Haki makes a blade hard essentially making it like Kokuto, not that it literally becomes Kokuto.

If that were the case, then Zoro wouldn't be wondering about anything and would know how to create his own Kokuto and he doesn't, so you're clearly wrong.

Through countless battles, at some point, Ryuma could have achieved unparalleled level of CoA and got a Kokuto...
Nothing is mentioned about acquiring the strongest Haki.

If that were the case, Zoro would just be told to acquire the strongest Armament Haki if it were that straight-forward.

Most of your arguments are based on pre-TS lack of Hardening, you keep showing haki blasts, that is not Hardening.


If you claim this is not Haki, then you're definitely wrong.



It's like claiming what Sentomaru did here isn't Haki either.



You lose all credibility when you claim this not to be Haki even though Luffy brought it up in his memory as Haki. Hands aren't black either btw.
 
Most of your arguments are based on pre-TS lack of Hardening, you keep showing haki blasts, that is not Hardening.
Again, quite clear you're wrong.



According to your logic, pre-skip we didn't see Rayleigh use Hardening to remove Caimie's chains, but post-skip, we get a flashback indicating Hardening was used.

All Haki blasts as have been revealed post-skip were performed with Hardening.



As both Rayleigh and Hyogoro indicate (and Luffy included), advanced Haki techniques require Hardening.

Until we see that's not the case, to claim otherwise is pretty much lacking any evidence.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
You just dismiss things which dont fit your imagination... I know the drill, we have gone through this years ago so I will stop here.
Seems you're not aware Ryuma died 400 years ago.
Indeed I am not. Where is that info from?
If you claim this is not Haki, then you're definitely wrong.
It's like claiming what Sentomaru did here isn't Haki either.
Read again what I said before saying I lose credibility.

Again, quite clear you're wrong.
You are again mixing pre-TS when Oda didnt have a clear plan for Haki...
Is there definitive evidence post-TS that people cant see Hardening as black?
 
Yeah, it was confirmed that Oda's using the black hardening as visuals to show that haki users use a superior version of invisible armor; their hardening is just more concentrated on certain body parts.

@HPsyche provided panels of advanced CoA users using hardening: Their hands weren't black when using advanced CoA but on Post-TS Oda consistently draw their hands black on every single panel whenever they used hardening alongside their haki shockwaves.
 
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