Questions & Mysteries Who is the traitor?
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Next to all those criterias the traitor has to fit in (knowing that Raizo is on Zou etc.) , the traitor has to be a freaking calculating and cold hearted bastard. He's basically acting so well, that his "comrades" do not even have clue that he's actually betraying them. He presumably even backstabbed Ashura Douji.
He will not end up as an honorable guy who just wasn't a friend of Oden's dream.
After the reveal we will probaly experience a 180°turn in his personality. Similiar to the "the usual suspect" twist. He is next to other things, primarily responsible for Orochi's success afterall.
And guess who's the best to do it with? Right, Kanjuro. The colorful and quirky guy. With over the top reactions and not much relevance story wise, who does not feel very threatening or powerful right now.
Narrative wise, it's the coolest you can pull out of this traitor plot tbh. His background is also the creepiest. Dude was a total weirdo back then already. Oda could go full psycho with him w/o it getting inauthentic. Something he couldn't really do with anyone else imo.
Additionally his ability is tailormade for it.
He can send information to anywhere he wants (those birds right after the time jump for example) pretty much instantly and together with the personality change he suddenly could turn into Picasso. Which would also make him much more powerful and threatening.
The anime opening tells the whole story, basically.
He will not end up as an honorable guy who just wasn't a friend of Oden's dream.
After the reveal we will probaly experience a 180°turn in his personality. Similiar to the "the usual suspect" twist. He is next to other things, primarily responsible for Orochi's success afterall.
And guess who's the best to do it with? Right, Kanjuro. The colorful and quirky guy. With over the top reactions and not much relevance story wise, who does not feel very threatening or powerful right now.
Narrative wise, it's the coolest you can pull out of this traitor plot tbh. His background is also the creepiest. Dude was a total weirdo back then already. Oda could go full psycho with him w/o it getting inauthentic. Something he couldn't really do with anyone else imo.
Additionally his ability is tailormade for it.
He can send information to anywhere he wants (those birds right after the time jump for example) pretty much instantly and together with the personality change he suddenly could turn into Picasso. Which would also make him much more powerful and threatening.
The anime opening tells the whole story, basically.
I get your aguments but personally it's hard for me to imagine Kanjuro is the traitor for few reasons :
- first, the point i previously mentioned on how he helped the crew to climb up Zou... without him they wouldn't have been able to reach the top, so i dont see why he helped them if he was the traitor
- second, and i think it's the major point, he has been way too much involved with the straw hat since Dressrosa imo and helped them destroy the smile factory and basically damage Kaido's business... i seriously doubt the traitor would go to that extent just to pretend to be a good guy
- third, Orochi mentioned once about how he cant believe / never saw some people timetraveled 20 years from the past... for me that automatically makes Kan, Kin and Raizou innocent
- first, the point i previously mentioned on how he helped the crew to climb up Zou... without him they wouldn't have been able to reach the top, so i dont see why he helped them if he was the traitor
- second, and i think it's the major point, he has been way too much involved with the straw hat since Dressrosa imo and helped them destroy the smile factory and basically damage Kaido's business... i seriously doubt the traitor would go to that extent just to pretend to be a good guy
- third, Orochi mentioned once about how he cant believe / never saw some people timetraveled 20 years from the past... for me that automatically makes Kan, Kin and Raizou innocent
The thing is, if you argue the way, that everyone of them had certain scenes that makes them unlikely to be the traitor, we would have to conclude that there's no traitor at all, even though we know someone's snitching.
It's not like I can't see certain holes in that Kanjuro argument.
I mean all of them were in for some boiling for example, but someone still sent Kaido the info that they are on their way to kill him. And someone still seemingly backstabbed Ashura during that fight.
I think we are at a point where we have to argue about who's the likeliest irrespective of certain scenes which doesn't make a 100% sense. Those will be on Oda to explain.
It's likely that he will not even be able to close all holes of the traitor plot.
With that said, most of them technically can't be it anymore iirc. And Kanjuro definitely is the likeliest candidate.
His df ability makes a pretty underrated aspect about that whole traitor plot a lot less complicated btw- information transfer. This would be difficult to explain if another would be the traitor.
That's not to say that I can't understand your point or anything.
It's not like I can't see certain holes in that Kanjuro argument.
I mean all of them were in for some boiling for example, but someone still sent Kaido the info that they are on their way to kill him. And someone still seemingly backstabbed Ashura during that fight.
I think we are at a point where we have to argue about who's the likeliest irrespective of certain scenes which doesn't make a 100% sense. Those will be on Oda to explain.
It's likely that he will not even be able to close all holes of the traitor plot.
With that said, most of them technically can't be it anymore iirc. And Kanjuro definitely is the likeliest candidate.
His df ability makes a pretty underrated aspect about that whole traitor plot a lot less complicated btw- information transfer. This would be difficult to explain if another would be the traitor.
That's not to say that I can't understand your point or anything.
Definitely agreed with those 2 first paragraph! Frankly i think Oda is doing a great job at portraying every candidates as unlikely as possible~
That being said I still think Kanjuro has done way too much of damage to Kaido's business to be the real traitor! And he could have killed Momo anytime since he was always by his side... His DF imo is just a bait by Oda to make him look more likely. After the obvious Kyoshiro = Denjiro, i doubt and hope he will come up with a more unexpected reveal for that plot ^^
That being said I still think Kanjuro has done way too much of damage to Kaido's business to be the real traitor! And he could have killed Momo anytime since he was always by his side... His DF imo is just a bait by Oda to make him look more likely. After the obvious Kyoshiro = Denjiro, i doubt and hope he will come up with a more unexpected reveal for that plot ^^
Yeah...like...Zou can easily be reached and honestly you can't not notice that giant elephant when you are a little closer to that. And Raizou being there could have also been something Doffy somehow heard. And about the VC...Neko and Inu lost their limbs and there were nails on them, so that is easy VC creation.
Basically I doubt there is a traitor.
Basically I doubt there is a traitor.
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