Powers & Abilities So does everyone agree Enma not a power up now.
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No it doesn't. Kuwabara literally could not do anything without that sword.
Zoro can cut a random cliff any time he wants with any sword. The only difference is that he didn't want to cut the cliff but that the sword forced him to
People don't understand that INTENT is the most important thing in OP swordsmanship. Oda spells this out in the flashback with Koushirou and he has been repeating this at least four times already since the start of the series but no one seems to get it
Zoro FAILED when he used Enma. He was only supposed to cut a tree but he ended up FAILING and he cut the cliff too. That's poor swordsmanship. That's some ass tier swordsmanship. Zoro looked cool and it was impressive that he didn't get knocked out from the haki drain BUT HE STILL FAILED.
The sword taking Zoro's haki without his consent is NOT A GOOD THING.
Zoro can cut a random cliff any time he wants with any sword. The only difference is that he didn't want to cut the cliff but that the sword forced him to
People don't understand that INTENT is the most important thing in OP swordsmanship. Oda spells this out in the flashback with Koushirou and he has been repeating this at least four times already since the start of the series but no one seems to get it
Zoro FAILED when he used Enma. He was only supposed to cut a tree but he ended up FAILING and he cut the cliff too. That's poor swordsmanship. That's some ass tier swordsmanship. Zoro looked cool and it was impressive that he didn't get knocked out from the haki drain BUT HE STILL FAILED.
The sword taking Zoro's haki without his consent is NOT A GOOD THING.
Enma is just a training tool, get that in your head people.
We could say that Rayleigh was the same for Luffy since he helped him training, not sure if I'm explaining myself.
Enma's attacking power is not stronger than the other o wazamono's thus far, nothing implies that much.
All it can do was to help Zoro with his haki empowering training.
We could say that Rayleigh was the same for Luffy since he helped him training, not sure if I'm explaining myself.
Enma's attacking power is not stronger than the other o wazamono's thus far, nothing implies that much.
All it can do was to help Zoro with his haki empowering training.
Right now, Zoro fans in his FC are debating that he demonstrated advanced versions of all three forms of Haki, CoO, CoA and CoC Pre TS.
I can't understand why people will believe that, when there's no shred of evidence to backup these claims. But, at the same time they can't agree that Enma is a PU, although Oda made it but obvious...
I can't understand why people will believe that, when there's no shred of evidence to backup these claims. But, at the same time they can't agree that Enma is a PU, although Oda made it but obvious...
This is simple it is a power up as it unlocks a way to make zoro stronger. Any ability that makes a character stronger is a power up idk why people try to argue what defines a power up. Haki , new sword, df, new mode, RS, etc are all power ups cuz they make characters stronger and/or unlock ways to get stronger. Enma forces you to have better CoA so you will get stronger using it. It's simple zoro with enma > zoro without enma, zoro himself says mastering emna will make him stronger.
Its not the same. geez
Zoro can already produce all the energy the sword forces out of him. Zoro could already do that on his own. Kuwabara COULD NOT produce that energy without that sword
Get it?
Enma doesn't exist to draw out Zoro's energy. Zoro can already do that. Enma exists to task Zoro's energy to force him to learn haki control under the strain of a sword than trying to drain him as far as possible
Zoro can already produce all the energy the sword forces out of him. Zoro could already do that on his own. Kuwabara COULD NOT produce that energy without that sword
Get it?
Enma doesn't exist to draw out Zoro's energy. Zoro can already do that. Enma exists to task Zoro's energy to force him to learn haki control under the strain of a sword than trying to drain him as far as possible
For fuck's sake. The thread is about "Is Enma power-up ITSELF or not" IT'S NOT. Power-up is better CoA (and physical stats because it's training after all) through TRAINING with Enma. Enma is a tool that helps Zoro get a power-up, which is better CoA.
After training, take away Enma from Zoro and give him Shusui, it's not gonna change anything. His Haki, DC, Skill, PS would be the same, just like with Enma.
After training, take away Enma from Zoro and give him Shusui, it's not gonna change anything. His Haki, DC, Skill, PS would be the same, just like with Enma.
Technicalities like that are just unneccessary and confusing for some. The title is claiming Enma is not a power up when it still is. Every sword Zoro has gotten was treated one so how come Enma is different? Zoro AP increased when he got Shusui and he commented that he needs to tame it to control the power output.
Zoro got Enma, we saw his AP increase and he says he needs to tame it.
Zoro got Enma, we saw his AP increase and he says he needs to tame it.
And without this tool excessively extracting his Haki he won't be able to intensely train himself and get much stronger than he already is. You can't compare Shusui's inferior growth with Enma's superior potential to simply say Zoro will get rid of Enma after training with it, Hitetsu said Enma would even reach the supreme grade once blackened, while blackened Shusui is stuck at the great grade
This is ludicrously oversimplified by Oda. Enma is a masterpiece which yields tremendous strength and potential, it's quality not only worthy enough to replace blackened Shusui but also it's a blade which not even Oden could blacken. it's not only unlocking new heights for Zoro in this arc, but soon will reach the same status as Yoru itself when blackened and will play a role in Zoro's strength even at end of story.
This is ludicrously oversimplified by Oda. Enma is a masterpiece which yields tremendous strength and potential, it's quality not only worthy enough to replace blackened Shusui but also it's a blade which not even Oden could blacken. it's not only unlocking new heights for Zoro in this arc, but soon will reach the same status as Yoru itself when blackened and will play a role in Zoro's strength even at end of story.
Shusui was in higher grade than Zoro's last sword + it's a black blade. Shusui is a power-up, because it's directly increasing his AP, take it away and he'd be weaker. Enma in the same tier as Shusui and is not a black blade, so i don't see why it is a power-up. Enma takes away Zoro's own Haki to make his slash stronger without him wanting it (it's actually a nerf). If Enma was giving Zoro additional Haki, then yes. But it isn't