Roe vs Wade Overturned?

[Bob74h]

Did you even read what I said? My point is that it doesn't matter if you call it a baby because its still okay to kill a fetus since it has sub animal levels of consciousness.

My argument was never about the morality of it, I only addressed the facts surrounding the matter and certainly the fetus as your calling it at least would have the ability to recognize vocal patterns as it can hear which 18 weeks as proven before

Animal level iq means nothing as different animals have different levels of intelligence like do you think that chimps routinely noted for high iq are stupider then say a stag beetle?

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And also, your ideas aren't as original as you think. I deadass had no idea what you wrote until you pointed it out.

I dont mind, your taking what was a small critique of your statement and making some huge point of it
Originally even made some joke about it so i dont mind really

I just said, you should put more thought into things, I was giving you advice never was anything else other then that at least with regards to this comment.

 

[Hamlette]

All this talk about Abortion laws and people are missing where the actual discussions should be had, you know where the solution sits.....do people even care about that?. Abortion is the last act in a series of bad decisions, decisions which were influenced by this overly sexual and irresponsible society that's been built; fact is people are going to have children they can't afford to take care of nor provide with a good life and talking about the fate of these children while important does nothing to address the real issue. Peoples idea of relationships have been warped with this, "free sex", "express yourself", "explore", "experiment with your body" and "no time for marriage" culture and until THIS problem is rectified, abortion will continue to be rampant.

Men and Women want to have sex, but they don't want to be parents, they want meaningful relationships, but they don't want to commit to each other'; how can anything reasonable exist in such a contradiction?. I don't care about the details of a persons burial....I care about why and how they were killed and I want to stop it from happening again, this should be the mentality, not all this political waste.

 

[Bob74h]

All this talk about Abortion laws and people are missing where the actual discussions should be had, you know where the solution sits.....do people even care about that?. Abortion is the last act in a series of bad decisions

I kinda agree to some sense, there are birth control pills and other means to control pregnancy such getting their tubes tied
So yea, plenty of ways so to prevent the issue though the right is not that keen on teaching people that even though it would realistically lower abortion rates, funny that

this overly sexual and irresponsible society

Society has been sexual forever, you could look at porn back in the day though before you had to pay for it so there was some barrier to it. Even if you look at media from the 90s, you could see characters and what not which are very clearly explicit take mortal kombat as a example

Men and Women want to have sex, but they don't want to be parents, they want meaningful relationships, but they don't want to commit to each other';

Well the traditional forms of things are still in practice like men paying for dates and standard ideas of couples, Which just does not mend itself well with the whole sphere of things like the idea behind men paying only worked in function as women could not work so the man needed to provide for them obviously.
It just seems like women want the positives of a traditionalism but none of the cons associated with such.


Not all men are wanting sex, Honestly my hand does the same job without the nagging,stress and financial burden. There are women who are good and arent that way meet like 3 myself but my personality does not lend itself well to relationships anyway coupled with me not being attractive. I likely was never going to get anything out of the hookup culture as it's called so could care less about it's existence or how that could affect others.



traditionism was never a stable model to begin with, Having a lifetime partner has routinely lead to physical violence and abuse on the part of both parties not only that but humans change with time so even if you were attached as teens or whatever, That same interest which were there would fade as you and your partner's have grown out of what originally brought you together.

fact is people are going to have children they can't afford to take care of nor provide with a good life

Generational wealth is apart of that problem not to mention college is non viable as a option due to it's cost and it's very nature as a specialist course
Women at least have the option of marrying someone richer then them so to advance in social status that same sort of option does not exist for men so you left with men as wealthy as women and women as always wanting to marry up while also wanting equality

 

[Bob74h]

Okay lets say i agree with you, but is that hardness enough to justify taking a human life?

Human lifes have been taken before, You are acting like the death penalty was never a thing nor was any case of self defense
Humans having value is merely some moral grandstanding, nobody seriously thinks that human lifes are sacred. it's just some right wing talking point to justify their position like if you think life is so sacred then why arent you helping the homeless or endangered species of animals? Is life not sacred for them or would it only be sacred when their within the womb where they could easily die of a miscarriage as a example.

Also people have different values. not all of us born in leftist liberal propaganda regime. And surprise surprise we can't control where we are born and what values we have due to that.

You can easily control, your values.
You are acting as if atheists were not majorly former christans or that mgtow guys were not formerly traditionalists.
People change with time as they learn new things and grow up, It's why most who have friends in high school dont as a adults as the interests and personality which brought both together would no longer exist as the similarities which bonded them fase away.

But at the end of the day most women are killing their babies out of inconvenience. So is it possible to stop that . i doubt it as it would just go underground.

People have always killed out of convenience just slaughter anything that annoys or remotely gets within our way. European settlers did the same thing to the animals and native americans who originally lived in north america
the reason that we are the most dominate species on this planet would be that we are the most brutal, We developed nukes to genocide our own fellow man all because of raw hatred for others yet humans often preach of their kindness as they stand on land which conquered and gained by literally slaughtering and enslaving kids,women and men.



Humans think hunting down an entire species to literal death is not worth batting an eye at but somehow killing a couple humans out of the trillion that exist is a big deal. The lunacy of this species never ceases to amaze me



point being here, humans have always killed out of convenience or malice. it's literally nothing new and people care about their own interests as history tells us which is why, things like the crusades happened and what not however you are free to believe that people are not self centered as they deny all information which hurts their subjective viewpoints. Debating on these sort of sites never changed anyone's mind as this is just a past time that people do for fun

 

[Ballel]

We developed nukes to genocide our own fellow man all because of raw hatred for others yet humans often preach of their kindness as they stand on land which conquered and gained by literally slaughtering and enslaving kids,women and men.



Humans think hunting down an entire species to literal death is not worth batting an eye at but somehow killing a couple humans out of the trillion that exist is a big deal. The lunacy of this species never ceases to amaze me

Sadly this is so true

 

[Bob74h]

Having better sex education and better access to things like condoms,birth control,etc could easily lower abortion rates
Nobody on the right wants to hear that though as they want their sexless conservative society and dont care about the positions had whatsoever, If they did then they would donate money to help teen pregnancies or advocate that parents better raise their kids so such unwanted pregnancies dont occur.

Conservatives, You see we value the sanctity of life and wish things not to die
Also consevatives, Not willing to spend a dime to help with any causes preventing the loss of life such as suicide prevention,support for third world nations. People are selfish by nature and obviously dont care about such problems as such but it does come off as a major hypocrisy in their position

 

[Ballel]

Having better sex education and better access to things like condoms,birth control,etc could easily lower abortion rates
Nobody on the right wants to hear that though as they want their sexless conservative society and dont care about the positions had whatsoever, If they did then they would donate money to help teen pregnancies or advocate that parents better raise their kids so such unwanted pregnancies dont occur

But when getting raped women should "Lie back and enjoy it".

 

[Bob74h]

But when getting raped women should "Lie back and enjoy it".

The worse some guy said here was that they should of known better or something as if the definition of rape itself does not mean non consensual sex

Stuff like that are why people opt out of politics and dont care, Too heated and too stupid.

I try to listen to both sides unlike some others but as you point out, The right does not have a problem with blatant denial of reality within favor of fantasies eg flat earthers and evolustist denialists

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Having better sex education and better access to things like condoms,birth control,etc could easily lower abortion rates
Nobody on the right wants to hear that though as they want their sexless conservative society and dont care about the positions had whatsoever, If they did then they would donate money to help teen pregnancies or advocate that parents better raise their kids so such unwanted pregnancies dont occur.

Conservatives, You see we value the sanctity of life and wish things not to die
Also consevatives, Not willing to spend a dime to help with any causes preventing the loss of life such as suicide prevention,support for third world nations. People are selfish by nature and obviously dont care about such problems as such but it does come off as a major hypocrisy in their position

There needs to change in election . Removing electoral college is best thing its outdated system and Republicans have used every mean to put out crazy laws and favorite judges in their courtroom.

All i can say is people to vote in every election .

 

[Bob74h]

There needs to change in election . Removing electoral college is best thing its outdated system

I disagree, Average people are just not educated enough to make the hard choices as this thread surely proves

people seriously voted for clinton in 16 when she verbatim was fine with causing war with russia over her stupid no fly zone policy.
trump was only a placeholder, Until they got a moderate democrat willing to follow along with the positions had.

Republicans have used every mean to put out crazy laws and favorite judges in their courtroom.

Yea stacking the courts to fill only people liked by them has routinely been a problem on both sides. It certainly leads to biased judgment but that's many reasons why the two party system has been a failure as it's only worrying about advocating for the interests of those fringe politically minded people rather then your average joe.

It's also becomes an issue when you consider that people have voted with opposition to bills just because it was supported by the opposing side as the recent case with the dont say gay bill. Which verbatim is just about not having sexual material being shown to minors before grade 3
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF

And even then, Teachers are allowed to withhold information about sexual matters if it's a possible danger to the kid's heath as that could of been an issue


Anyways the point being, People need to think more about things rather then just doing what amounts to cheering for your favorite sport team.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1521314538708082688

George carlin was such a legend, He made such great points and arguments such as with his religion takes

 

[AlcheAsh]

Imagine genuinely getting heated at these debates even though at the end of the day you aren't gonna care about the fuckin babies life anyways lol. Just let them abort the damn baby and get over yourselves, abortion and whether or not someone should do it is entirely up to them. Mind your own damn business.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I disagree, Average people are just not educated enough to make the hard choices as this thread surely proves

people seriously voted for clinton in 16 when she verbatim was fine with causing war with russia over her stupid no fly zone policy.
trump was only a placeholder, Until they got a moderate democrat willing to follow along with the positions had.




Yea stacking the courts to fill only people liked by them has routinely been a problem on both sides. It certainly leads to biased judgment but that's many reasons why the two party system has been a failure as it's only worrying about advocating for the interests of those fringe politically minded people rather then your average joe.

It's also becomes an issue when you consider that people have voted with opposition to bills just because it was supported by the opposing side as the recent case with the dont say gay bill. Which verbatim is just about not having sexual material being shown to minors before grade 3
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF

And even then, Teachers are allowed to withhold information about sexual matters if it's a possible danger to the kid's heath as that could of been an issue


Anyways the point being, People need to think more about things rather then just doing what amounts to cheering for your favorite sport team.

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George carlin was such a legend, He made such great points and arguments such as with his religion takes

Not true Republicans have used unfair means to win electoral college. This is not right thread for it. Imo system in America is broken.

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Imagine genuinely getting heated at these debates even though at the end of the day you aren't gonna care about the fuckin babies life anyways lol. Just let them abort the damn baby and get over yourselves, abortion and whether or not someone should do it is entirely up to them. Mind your own damn business.

Abortion is not football game . Woman goes through emotional process .

Most opt for it because of health issues or victim of assault .

 

[Bob74h]

you aren't gonna care about the fuckin babies life anyways lol

Let's presume their right and it's wrong or whatever, You think being correct on some internet forum will change the minds of people.
People will do what they want regardless of what others think, Flat earthers will think the earth is flat regardless of evidence and people will smoke regardless if they know it's bad for them or not

Life exists with or without me, it's just the reality and alot of people on both sides expect the world to conform to them as if the world is within a bottle for them to move around as they see fit. like let's just say abortion is banned right what do you think women who are so adamant about it going to do if they cant get it normally? All that's going to happen would be that under the table doctors will take the place of the more trained ones that are giving out these operations

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Not true Republicans have used unfair means to win electoral college. This is not right thread for it. Imo system in America is broken.

I hear both sides whine about unsupported claims of unfairness whenever things dont go their way, The every election is rigged thing is a prime example

It was rigged in 16 as the russia hackers
it was rigged in 20 as the dems faked the votes.

when are we going to accept that both sides just make up reasons to excuse why they failed at gaining seats??

Most opt for it because of health issues or victim of assault .

Not all abortions are cases of sexual assault, that's both clearly wrong and a unsupported assumption at that. If a woman does not have the finances to raise a child then she will likely abort the baby due to not being able to care for it and if a woman of islam had sex before marriage what do you think she would do just keep it and get ostracized from her family?

There's plenty of scenarios that certainly do happen which would have women opt for a abortion so to act like only victims have abortions is quite fraudulent

 

[Ballel]

Bump

 

[Banchi]

It's just another act to keep us dumb and on our toes. Don't let it deter you. It's never been your choice anyway

 

[King D WIldfire]

Imagine genuinely getting heated at these debates even though at the end of the day you aren't gonna care about the fuckin babies life anyways lol. Just let them abort the damn baby and get over yourselves, abortion and whether or not someone should do it is entirely up to them. Mind your own damn business.

Why aren’t you supporting literal infanticide if your not going to meet the child

George carlin was such a legend, He made such great points and arguments such as with his religion takes

*tips fedora*

 

[AlcheAsh]

Why aren’t you supporting literal infanticide if your not going to meet the child

I'm just saying it genuinely does not matter if the fetus is aborted, like at all. If a woman wants to let her it's not really your business in the first place

 

[King D WIldfire]

I'm just saying it genuinely does not matter if the fetus is aborted, like at all. If a woman wants to let her it's not really your business in the first place

By that logic if a women wants to bury her child alive, let her it’s not really your business the first place

 

[AlcheAsh]

By that logic if a women wants to bury her child alive, let her it’s not really your business the first place

I mean not really. A fetus up to a point has no conscientiousness and isn't really a person yet, so it doesn't really matter. I don't see a problem with giving people the option to have an abortion, it doesn't mean you have to do it.

Also no, a woman doing that would not be my business you are correct. It would be the business of the people involved, which I am not.

 

[AL sama]

by that logic we men shouldn't jerk off for pleasure either