Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1049 Spoilers Discussion

[Peenix]

How could WB's gura punches harm Akainu's magma body then?

Imbue them with haki and has yami as a bonus, more than enough means. And especially if he awakens both df's.

Because haki lets you come into physical contact with logias, so the Gura Gura would hurt Akainu
But Luffy is made of rubber. He's not a logia. A hit from the Gura, even with haki, would just make him harmlessly vibrate

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Darkness fruit cancels out your ability btw.

So he needs to actually grab Luffy to hurt him
You see the problem here bro?

 

[Jailer]

Because haki lets you come into physical contact with logias, so the Gura Gura would hurt Akainu
But Luffy is made of rubber. He's not a logia. A hit from the Gura, even with haki, would just make him harmlessly vibrate

Haki works against his rubber body too, that's how haki was beating him down with blunt force, and how rayleigh with blunt force harmed Luffy using haki.

 

[Peenix]

The portrayal and feats show otherwise.

She was irrelevant in this raid. If not for Kid or Law she would be reduced to O-Lin plot again.

Nothing suggests they are equal. Kaido doesn't even see her on the pedestal he has Oden, Shanks and etc.

"muh portrayal" doesn't mean shit outside of headcanon. Fans put more thought into this than the author does
If the story says they're equal then they are

 

[JoNdule]

Featwise comparison between Kaido and Big Mom

- Kaido fought the 9 scabbards, 5 SN(including Kid and Law) who were more focused on Kaido, a stronger Luffy than the one who was fighting with the other SN, Yamato, an even stronger Luffy with mastered Adcoc and was still fighting ready

- Big Mom attacked 5 SN who were more focused on Kaido and ultimately lost to Kid and Law(with bomb plot) and the only difference between rooftop Kid and Law and current Kid and Law being their awakening

That was until Big Mom was defeated

Then his opponent(Luffy) got even stronger, awakening his fruit

While Kaido got even more feats:
- Powered states in drunk mode
- More adcoc control
- Future sight
- Island scale power and lethality in his dragon-magma state

Featwise Big Mom struggles to push Kaido to mid diff

BM powerup got fulgora and used bigger mom mode
Feats wise kaido didn't fight anyone that can hurt BM except Luffy , yamato and Zoro
None of the people kaido fought will push bm past mid diff coz they can't even hurt her

It is a damn shame the whole fandom is really on drugs these days

 

[Paperchampion23]

Because haki lets you come into physical contact with logias, so the Gura Gura would hurt Akainu
But Luffy is made of rubber. He's not a logia. A hit from the Gura, even with haki, would just make him harmlessly vibrate

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So he needs to actually grab Luffy to hurt him
You see the problem here bro?

That depends if Luffy can escape the gravity when he tries to grab him. I'm also sure his zoan will be broken, if he has one

 

[Franosuke]

"muh portrayal" doesn't mean shit outside of headcanon. Fans put more thought into this than the author does
If the story says they're equal than they are

But where in the story was it said they are equal? The story said Kaido is the WSC

 

[Blackbeard]

Ndule, the chad that always goes against the tides.

 

[DJOMOLO]

To me Big Mom never learned to fight properly (maybe because she a natural born monster), she has the raw power but don't use correctly. Now idk if Oda did it on purpose or that just bad writing from him.

I think it's both probably. Even Kaido said that she became useless back in chapter 1009 or 1010

 

[Peenix]

Haki works against his rubber body too, that's how haki was beating him down with blunt force, and how rayleigh with blunt force harmed Luffy using haki.

Kaido, with a full hit of AdCoC, failed to cause any serious injuries to Gear 5 Luffy

 

[JoNdule]

@Echizen_Jo_Ndule told you

You told me nothing

Bogarde is in the same boat as you
"Feat wise"
Kaido couldn't beat base bm , was forced into alliance
But he's gonna mid diff her coz he used fs and drunk mode
Let us forget Bigger Mom + BM being a counter to his abilities

 

[MonsterKaido]

Featwise comparison between Kaido and Big Mom

- Kaido fought the 9 scabbards, 5 SN(including Kid and Law) who were more focused on Kaido, a stronger Luffy than the one who was fighting with the other SN, Yamato, an even stronger Luffy with mastered Adcoc and was still fighting ready

- Big Mom attacked 5 SN who were more focused on Kaido and ultimately lost to Kid and Law(with bomb plot) and the only difference between rooftop Kid and Law and current Kid and Law being their awakening

That was until Big Mom was defeated

Then his opponent(Luffy) got even stronger, awakening his fruit

While Kaido got even more feats:
- Powered states in drunk mode
- More adcoc control
- Future sight
- Island scale power and lethality in his dragon-magma state

Featwise Big Mom struggles to push Kaido to mid diff

Speaking facts

As always quality post

 

[Jailer]

Kaido, with a full hit of AdCoC, failed to cause any serious injuries to Gear 5 Luffy

He clearly says there it hurts tho, and that's Luffy as an awakened zoan as gorosei noted he becomes overall stronger like those jailer beasts that are more resilient.

Before that what happened when Kaido was smacking Luffy out of G4 almost.

And in awakening in many instances he is getting harmed by his haki attacks still, less than G4 but point stands

 

[Peenix]

That depends if Luffy can escape the gravity when he tries to grab him. I'm also sure his zoan will be broken, if he has one

But that raises the question of why retcon Luffy's fruit into a zoan to begin with. Nothing it has shown would be impossible with a Paramecia Awakening.
But if you consider that Blackbeard might steal his fruit to get a full set, then it makes a lot more sense

But where in the story was it said they are equal? The story said Kaido is the WSC

The fact that they fought for 3 days suggests they're on par bro

 

[Formerly Seth]

"muh portrayal" doesn't mean shit outside of headcanon. Fans put more thought into this than the author does
If the story says they're equal then they are

Big Mom's portrayal is trash ever since her debut. She has nothing that puts her on Kaido's level.

That man doesn't even consider her in his shadows of Legends.

End of discussion. Try harder next time.

 

[park_min young]

BM lost to yonko level Law, it’s not her fault

 

[JoNdule]

Nah BM didn't power up tho

Apparently base kaido vs base Linlin is stalemate
But full powered kaido vs full powered bM is mid diff

Yet their CoC is equal to split the skies
Make it make sense

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BM lost to yonko level Law, it’s not her fault

Law couldn't KO her even for 5 seconds

Law and kid can't beat her 2v1 unless they have nukes or someone else helping them.

BM never lost the fight to them like kaido lost to Luffy

 

[Peenix]

Big Mom's portrayal is trash ever since her debut. She has nothing that puts her on Kaido's level.

That man doesn't even consider her in his shadows of Legends.

End of discussion. Try harder next time.

My guy, "portrayal" doesn't mean shit. Did you not read what I said?

The five characters that Kaido say aren't meant to be his top 5 strongest and we know this to be true because
1. Mihawk wasn't there
2. Shanks is implied to be weaker than Kaido and Big Mom because he has a lower bounty than them (and yes, bounties are meant to be a soft-powerlevel system)

 

[Franosuke]

The fact that they fought for 3 days suggests they're on par bro

It doesn't matter how close you think they are though, Kaido is canonically the stronger of the two

Like I don't see many people having a problem with Akainu being stronger than Aokiji even though they fought for 10 days

 

[Formerly Seth]

My guy, "portrayal" doesn't mean shit. Did you not read what I said?

The five characters that Kaido say aren't meant to be his top 5 strongest and we know this to be true because
1. Mihawk wasn't there
2. Shanks is implied to be weaker than Kaido and Big Mom because he has a lower bounty than them (and yes, bounties are meant to be a soft-powerlevel system)

 

[Peenix]

He clearly says there it hurts tho, and that's Luffy as an awakened zoan as gorosei noted he becomes overall stronger like those jailer beasts that are more resilient.

Before that what happened when Kaido was smacking Luffy out of G4 almost.

And in awakening in many instances he is getting harmed by his haki attacks still, less than G4 but point stands

My point is that Kaido was barely causing any significant damage to Gear 5 Luffy. Kaido himself even says later on that Luffy's real weakness is cutting attacks
But anyway, I do think that with BB's fascination with fate that it would just make the most sense for him to steal Luffy's fruit