Future Events Please enlighten me why ZKK won't happen

[Mr.9000]

They have nothing really other than just that, "cant outshine Luffy because hes the MC" lol That only has real weight in the last major arc, Oda can do anything he wants before then. He gave you guys Luffy vs Kaido, where Kaido dominated most of the fight. Now its time for true mc of Wano makes his return.

 

[Rootbeer]

zoro is an outsider who is also a samurai.

the people of wano may not accept an outsider as their savior unless that outsider is also like a samurai

Just like Luffy they are disguised as Samurai but they are not..

"After all also Ryuma was an one eyed samurai", said by Kawamatsu, a samurai.

Keyword here is "also".
And note that he used the samurai term specifically, not swordsman, not warrior or whatsoever

That implies that Zoro is a one eyed samurai too

The scar on Zoro's eye is tiny there's no way it cut his eye.. Here's how it goes after all the training with MihawK he forgot to reopen it..

Tashigi is not Kuina's sister and Zoro is not Samurai he has ancestry from Wano who were Samurai maybe but he's born in East blue and not a Samurai.. He's a Swordsman

 

[uyuu]

Just like Luffy they are disguised as Samurai but they are not..



The scar on Zoro's eye is tiny there's no way it cut his eye.. Here's how it goes after all the training with MihawK he forgot to reopen it..

Tashigi is not Kuina's sister and Zoro is not Samurai he has ancestry from Wano who were Samurai maybe but he's born in East blue and not a Samurai.. He's a Swordsman

...wait...he forget how to open his eye? This is a topic way more interesting than ZKK

 

[Rootbeer]

...wait...he forget how to open his eye? This is a topic way more interesting than ZKK

Goes along with getting lost, Zoro trained so long the left eye closed he forgot to open it..

 

[serkeara]

Do we really need to discuss whether Zoro is a samurai or not?

This is a very desperate attempt to counter my point

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They have nothing really other than just that, "cant outshine Luffy because hes the MC" lol That only has real weight in the last major arc, Oda can do anything he wants before then. He gave you guys Luffy vs Kaido, where Kaido dominated most of the fight. Now its time for true mc of Wano makes his return.

It is funny that most answers in this post just prove my point. I am not sure if they realize it...

 

[Rootbeer]

Do we really need to discuss whether Zoro is a samurai or not?

This is a very desperate attempt to counter my point

He's not Samurai to me.. lrish imigrants came to America and their child was born on US soil and as such he's American.. Zoro might not even be ShimotsuKi..

 

[m0nst3Rx]

Luffy is the MC

Zoro is unconscious

if zkk happens would you accept zoro as the MC not luffy?

 

[serkeara]

He's not Samurai to me.. lrish imigrants came to America and their child was born on US soil and as such he's American.. Zoro might not even be ShimotsuKi..

I am speechless

 

[Rootbeer]

I am speechless

That's not an argument.. Zoro didn't even have Knowledge of Wano before coming there.. He was trained in the art of the sword(Kendo) not the art of the Japanese warrior(Bushido)..

 

[nik87]

Honestly, I try to wear the opposing hat but I can't find any reason to justify the following

• Why Oda makes Kaido only dodge Flying Dragon Blaze, the identical move with Ryuma
• Why Zoro Asura is so underwhelming and Kaido has never acknowledged Zoro. If it's the end of Zoro vs Kaido, why not just let Kaido acknowledge him as a strong samurai. It will be perfect ending for Zoro vs Kaido.
• "There will never be a strong samurai as Oden again". If the fight has already ended, this Kaido's statement will become true. There is no way Oda would let Kaido to be correct about this.
• Toki's prophecy. The dawn and 9 shadows stuff haven't happened yet and it fits Zoro's Asura perfectly.
• Grim Reaper. Why bother drawing this if it contributes to nothing.
• Black blade. It is likely that Zoro will turn black blade this arc. What is the best situation for him to turn black blade if the war is already ended?
• Nidai. Why introduce Nidai. Just to introduce Tenguyama ancestor? It is likely that Tenguyama will ask Zoro to use Nidai and Zoro needs to impress him somehow
• Why Zoro was compared to Ryuma by Kawamatsu and Hyugoro. If Zoro's role is already ended, there is no way Wano samurais will acknowledge Zoro and why hype Zoro as the potential next Ryuma at the first place?

ZKK scenario will perfectly resolve all plot discrepancies above.

The are many Anti-ZKK but I fail to find any rational argument to justify the plots above. Even if they have argument, all of them are "Zoro can't outshine Luffy, the MC", which is the absolute dump. You guys are better than this. Please enlighten me why ZKK should not happen. I really want to switch side but can't find compelling reason to do so...
:cheers:

Anti-ZKK folks are willingly dumbing themselves down and closing their eyes to the biggest build-up in the history of One Piece.
They dont know what to do with it, they are aware it is coming but they dont want to admit that they were unable to see the obvious for several years and they choose to sink with the copium cargo.

because zoro can't outshine luffy in the most important arc till date

He absolutely can. Luffy has done nothing in the whole arc except stall Kaido and collect Ls. No plot points revolving around him.

There are many reasons why it would not happen..

- Zoro is still unconscious
- Oda changed his mind
- He already slayed a Dragon and gave Kaido a scar
- Zoro is not a Samurai
- Zoro has reached his endurance and stamina limits
- Zoro does not have AdCoC required to kill Kaido
- An unknown Legendary Wano Samurai will slay Kaido( maybe Yamato kill her father with 2 sword style)
- The Marines show up and imprison Kaido to lmpel down or Kizaru kills Kaido

- Unconscious until he isnt
- Oda wont change his mind on something this big
- Neither of those accomplish what Oda is going for with ZKK
- Yeah, he is a ballet dancer
- Limits are there to be surpassed and there is Ice Oni virus as well
- Zoro is the only one in the whole world whose power is strong enough to kill the unkillable
- No samurai is capable of killing Kaido, neither are non-samurai capable of doing it
- Kizaru cant kill him and imprisonment worked so well so far

All the nonsense debunks itself but as I said, y'all are willingly performing mental gymnastics because you cant believe Luffy will be outdone by Zoro several times over. Funny considering that Oda gave you a taste of it on the rooftop.

 

[Rootbeer]

- Unconscious until he isnt
- Oda wont change his mind on something this big
- Neither of those accomplish what Oda is going for with ZKK
- Yeah, he is a ballet dancer
- Limits are there to be surpassed and there is Ice Oni virus as well
- Zoro is the only one in the whole world whose power is strong enough to kill the unkillable
- No samurai is capable of killing Kaido, neither are non-samurai capable of doing it
- Kizaru cant kill him and imprisonment worked so well so far

- He is though, you expect Zoro to magicly appear in front of Kaido and the rest off screened?
- You don't know that, he canceled the whole lnuNeko and Jack plot thread from Zou or Kid going after Kaido
- What Oda is going for is not you telling me what Oda is going for
- That's mental gymnastic
- Unless Zoro really reached his limits but Damn i want to see lce Oni virus Zoro, that is a great idea
- Your assumption
- Again your assumption
- Pretty sure Kizaru can kill a non moving Kaido, yeah imprisoned by fodders usually don't really do well

Thing is you can't debunk an opinion without undenial proof of the contrary..

 

[Violent Sanji]

Honestly, I try to wear the opposing hat but I can't find any reason to justify the following

• Why Oda makes Kaido only dodge Flying Dragon Blaze, the identical move with Ryuma
• Why Zoro Asura is so underwhelming and Kaido has never acknowledged Zoro. If it's the end of Zoro vs Kaido, why not just let Kaido acknowledge him as a strong samurai. It will be perfect ending for Zoro vs Kaido.
• "There will never be a strong samurai as Oden again". If the fight has already ended, this Kaido's statement will become true. There is no way Oda would let Kaido to be correct about this.
• Toki's prophecy. The dawn and 9 shadows stuff haven't happened yet and it fits Zoro's Asura perfectly.
• Grim Reaper. Why bother drawing this if it contributes to nothing.
• Black blade. It is likely that Zoro will turn black blade this arc. What is the best situation for him to turn black blade if the war is already ended?
• Nidai. Why introduce Nidai. Just to introduce Tenguyama ancestor? It is likely that Tenguyama will ask Zoro to use Nidai and Zoro needs to impress him somehow
• Why Zoro was compared to Ryuma by Kawamatsu and Hyugoro. If Zoro's role is already ended, there is no way Wano samurais will acknowledge Zoro and why hype Zoro as the potential next Ryuma at the first place?

ZKK scenario will perfectly resolve all plot discrepancies above.

The are many Anti-ZKK but I fail to find any rational argument to justify the plots above. Even if they have argument, all of them are "Zoro can't outshine Luffy, the MC", which is the absolute dump. You guys are better than this. Please enlighten me why ZKK should not happen. I really want to switch side but can't find compelling reason to do so...
:cheers:

If the Luffy and Kaido fight ends like this it would be trash. Maybe Luffy loses again and gets help from zoro and sanji. And zoro eventually kills him in a group effort where he gets the last shot. I’m not fully against zkk some zoro fans are just insufferable.

 

[centurion]

this will be a very long two weeks break huh...

 

[nik87]

- He is though, you expect Zoro to magicly appear in front of Kaido and the rest off screened?
- You don't know that, he canceled the whole lnuNeko and Jack plot thread from Zou or Kid going after Kaido
- What Oda is going for is not you telling me what Oda is going for
- That's mental gymnastic
- Unless Zoro really reached his limits but Damn i want to see lce Oni virus Zoro, that is a great idea
- Your assumption
- Again your assumption
- Pretty sure Kizaru can kill a non moving Kaido, yeah imprisoned by fodders usually don't really do well

- Whether he shows up magically or Oda spoonfeeds you how he shows up doesnt change the outcome that he shows up
- I do know that. It's like Oda changing his mind on Luffy becoming PK, he simply wont.
- Oda has been telling you what he is going for since last 4 years but you pretend you dont see it
- Suffering is welcome on the path of carnage, limits cant stop the future strongest in the world
- Kaido is literally presented as unkillable so once Zoro does it, it no longer is my assumption
- check above
- check above above

 

[Jailer]

 

[Nikuzi]

If Zoro is revealed to be a Shimotsuki (which is all but confirmed), then he is a samurai

Actually i forgot that is true.

 

[stealthblack]

Because zoro is not the villain.

 

[style]

The scar on Zoro's eye is tiny there's no way it cut his eye.. Here's how it goes after all the training with MihawK he forgot to reopen it..

Tashigi is not Kuina's sister and Zoro is not Samurai he has ancestry from Wano who were Samurai maybe but he's born in East blue and not a Samurai.. He's a Swordsman

Honestly I don't know what to say given your answer.

It has nothing to do with my point.

 

[BleakAsh]

if it happens it happens if it doesn't it doesn't.

thats the case atm.. most of the theories are just bias justifications and some aren't even narratively emphasized

- Zoro's "vindication"

- OnePiece mags

- Color pages with dragons on em

- Black blades

- Monster Samurai

- Tangential lores

basically people justifying ZKK through these even tho there is barely any relational development story wise between Zoro and Kaido..

so buncha reverse-engineering through those and minimal from canon story itself.

for all we know oda never even hinted towards Zkk before it happens

and its odd coz oda labeled Zoro's fruit as Kaiod's fruit that shouldn't bolster the theory but should highlight their glaring similarities
-Zoro's ideals regarding being the strongest

-Death and the way of samurai

- Move and skills based on dragons

- and blue eastern dragon being the quintessential symbol of strength and courage (a certain marimo is reminded I'm sure)

- the story of how the coy fish swam through the waterfall becoming the dragon is a proper analogy of the meaning what zoro and Mihawk mean by a big frog in a small pond...explains zoro's journey as a whole someone who is meant to be like the dragon, the epitome of strength and courage.

"coy is also associated with samurai".. noting animus here just similarities ... soooo zkk? idk

If oda wanted zoro to kill Kaido he would have given a very obvious hint with obviously further detailed explanations than just "omg people intoxicated with smiles and yasui died i should be the one to kill Kaido VAMOSS", more justified is what i saying narratively,and after introducing the geography of wano Oda could have had Shimotsuki live in the west hence their guardian deity being the tiger

Wano's whole geography is vased upon the 5 elemental guardians..
-Eastern(Onigashima) Seiryu : spring
-Western (Kibi) Tiger
-Southern (Kuri) Suzaku the Virmillion bird : summer
-Northern (Ringo) Genbu the black warrior :Winter

Ringo could have represented the tiger (west) but it doesn't instead Kibi does.

This whole Tiger being the arch nemesis of Dragon is not what these 4 (or 5 if you include the yellow dragon in the center making the flower capital ) guardian deities represent to my knowledge matter the fact .. this rivalry in general is used to represent
yin and yang (link for more info)

and if you claim that zoro and Kaido have a yin and Yang (Naruto and Sauske esc) relationship... then damn the story has been lacking in ghat department


All in all it might happen but the evidence that gets suggested is meh misconstrued, misrepresented, and fan bias plot(?) or narrative,...but zoro can still execute Kaido...

@Franosuke @Finalbeta @Chrono @nik87 @kumae @KiriNigiri @Bango🍅

 

[stealthblack]

You can't enlighten a moss. Only good for eating