Powers & Abilities So does everyone agree Enma not a power up now.

[Finalbeta]

Enma plus his training = 1 level powerup

In the fight another powerup = beats King

I don't think he needs a power up to beat King. Now with the training he should be able to beat him without even resorting to his Asura mode.

 

[Drachenblut]

Of course it is a power up 🤦‍♂️
A normal sword compared to a o wazamono... having one of the best swords in the world has of course a meaning, which is a power up.

Shusui and enma are in the same category but while enma can get an upgrade (become black and becoming possibly a higher tier sword) shusui is already black, meaning it has reached its peak.


So potential wise it is absolutely a power up, but right now?
I believe it is, because of its feat to suck up haki, meaning it is highly likely that the attack power of enma is higher than that of shusui.


But that is okay, I mean why are people getting mad and denying that, just so that zoro seems to be working harder and achieving his power only through training? As if that makes him better 🤦‍♂️

Swords are a power up, which is absolutely ok.
If swords wouldn't be a power up, zoro would have used some nameless swords.

 

[Jack]

Lets look at it this way, say once zoro has completed his training and switches enma back with shusui. Does that mean it's a downgrade? No.

 

[Finalbeta]

Lets look at it this way, say once zoro has completed his training and switches enma back with shusui. Does that mean it's a downgrade? No.

Yes. It's funnily an upgrade.

People underrate how strong Ryuma's imprinted haki is.

 

[Drachenblut]

Lets look at it this way, say once zoro has completed his training and switches enma back with shusui. Does that mean it's a downgrade? No.

Yes it does and there is nothing wrong with that 🤷‍♂️

 

[Jack]

Yes it does and there is nothing wrong with that 🤷‍♂️

You're saying shusui is a downgrade, once zoro completes his training with enma? In the possibility he switches back.

 

[Enma]

Yes it does and there is nothing wrong with that 🤷‍♂️

It's not downgrade, why should it be? They are the same class.

 

[Drachenblut]

You're saying shusui is a downgrade, once zoro completes his training with enma? In the possibility he switches back.

Yes, exactly.
Right now most likely only the attack power of enma is higher than that of shusui while the other aspects like durability etc isn't that much different.
Which at the end will change (imo).

 

[Jack]

Yes, exactly.
Right now most likely only the attack power of enma is higher than that of shusui while the other aspects like durability etc isn't that much different.
Which at the end will change (imo).

It's attack is higher shown because it's using Zoro's haki at max. Once zoro gets that under control he can do the same damage with Shusui

 

[Enma]

Seems like i must post it here again

For fuck's sake. The thread is about "Is Enma power-up ITSELF or not" IT'S NOT. Power-up is better CoA (and physical stats because it's training after all) through TRAINING with Enma. Enma is a tool that helps Zoro get a power-up, which is better CoA.
After training, take away Enma from Zoro and give him Shusui, it's not gonna change anything. His Haki, DC, Skill, PS would be the same, just like with Enma.

 

[Jack]

Seems like i must post it here again

This is what I was trying to say, but mine was dumbed down for people.

 

[Zowo]

Yes, exactly.
Right now most likely only the attack power of enma is higher than that of shusui while the other aspects like durability etc isn't that much different.
Which at the end will change (imo).

if zoro gets rid of enma right now and takes shusui back his ap will be the same

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Which one as the best hype Enma or Shusui ?
Enma for sure. Why will Oda give a better hype for a sword which is just a training tool ?
It make no sense. Shonen are made to be easy and follow easy rules. When something is more hyped than an other one is better.
Why do you think Shusui will be the only exceptions in all Shonen ?





I know what Enma does. It sucks you CoA to cuts deeper. So those attack are stronger than zoro normal's attack. It's not CoA zoro doesn't Want. Maybe It's CoA zoro can't use.



Just no. When did the other sword was introduced 3 chapter before is first appearance ? Where is the chapter it get at his own name ? And so on
I guess every Warlord has the same power since they are at the same rank.



If you have Just read what I wrote. I said Enma is a two part PowerUp. Enma is better than shusui and trains Zoro to control his CoA better. Like Luffy with gear second or 3rd, First you earn a boost with drawbacks and after you gets a second boost when you master it. But you just dont read.



Have you a power level scanner ?

Neither has better hype. Thats BS and stuff you made up. Better hype would be higher rank. Shisui isn't a exception. Shisui has the same hype has Enma. You still haven't explained how Ame sword is less hyped than Enma.

Bro i don't want your Maybe. Your headcannon. Its Sucks Zoro Haki. Don't give me your Maybe headcannon.

Enma is not better than Shisui. Noting in the story says that. Literally noting. Same rank Sword sword. He did not earn a boost with drawback. The Sword uses Zoro freaking Ryou.

I want to know because appearly Zoro gets weaker with Shisui.

 

[Finalbeta]

This is what I was trying to say, but mine was dumbed down for people.

The Grandmaster would never rely his strenght on his swords, most of his strenght is featured by his own body.

Give Current Grandmaster a knife and he would cut a yonko commander in no time my friend.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Seems like i must post it here again

It´s still something that puts him in a position of powerup which he might not have without it, so it´s untrue to completely say Enma is not part of the powerup at all. It´s obviously, highly different than Sanji´s powerup which immediately gave him a boost, but both powerups only applies to them and can only be acquired by them, but also both can only be acquired through the tools themselves as well.
Sanji is the only one who can use because of his heritage (hence why many actually disliked it, not to forget him swearing to never use it), and Zoro gets a tool that helps him grow his CoA, which probably would not have happened as quickly as it did/will do now, but is also something he can acquire due to his prior skill, so it feels earned compared to Sanji.

Just from sword attributes overall it might be equal to Shushui, but it puts him into a state of gaining more power, so it´s part of it.

 

[Garps tekkai]

It's a training wheel not a power up. The power up will be the far greater haki use he will show, so the fruits of his training. Powered up Zoro=Post Enma training Zoro.
If he would now switch the sword with one of the same grade, the only thing that would be eliminated is that "drawback afflicted"- all out Enma slash.
If people think of that uncontrolled and not willingfully performed mechanism, so it's actual drawback, as a PU, then feel free to do so. I think that no one truly believes that tho. I feel like it's just brought up for the sake of arguing against the "swordbois", which in most cases might be the right thing to do lol, but here it's really non sensical imo.
Like @Enma says, no one would consider sea stone handcuffs a power up aswell. Enma, sea stone handcuffs, the hyperbolic time chamber, gravity chambers.. Those are all training wheels.

Is the quirk of Enma solely there for him to power up mid arc, tho? Yes. Might it feel "somewhat cheap" for some? Perhaps, tastes are different afterall. Enma on itself is still a training wheel tho, which is what the thread is all about.

 

[M944]

Neither has better hype. Thats BS and stuff you made up. Better hype would be higher rank. Shisui isn't a exception. Shisui has the same hype has Enma. You still haven't explained how Ame sword is less hyped than Enma.

I didnt write this manga. Hype isn't a question of rank. I told you. You dont read.
Which sword has it own chapter Name between those three sword ?
Isn't Enma.
Which one was introduced 3 chapter between his first appearance ?
Enma again.

Hell even luffy's gear weren't introduced 3 chapter before they appearance (except g3 I guess).
How could you have more hype than this.
Why do you avoid all those stuffs Oda has staged ? Is it because it doesn't follow your opinion.

Bro i don't want your Maybe. Your headcannon. Its Sucks Zoro Haki. Don't give me your Maybe headcannon

Headcannon=/ hypothesis.

Enma is not better than Shisui. Noting in the story says that. Literally noting. Same rank Sword sword. He did not earn a boost with drawback. The Sword uses Zoro freaking Ryou.

The whole staging of Enma puts him higher than Shusui. Same with Warlord.
We know which one is stronger than another one because of how Oda staged them.
It's a basis in Shonen. You should really read more shonen. It will help you to understand what I said.
So know Enma sucking Zoro ryou isn't a drawback ? Lmao.

I want to know because appearly Zoro gets weaker with Shisui

Headcannon. How do you know if Zoro become weaker or not when he let down Enma.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

The whole staging of Enma puts him higher than Shusui

What do you mean by higher? It's not higher in rank. It's not higher in prestige since it was brought up as just a replacement for Shusui and nothing more. It's not even higher in actual feats since the haki draining doesn't matter when Oden uses it to cut Kaido.

What is "higher" about it?

 

[Guymieux]

-İf swords/blades are not power up then why Zoro changed swords several times so far?

He changed swords because he had too, both of his sword broke in the fight between Mihawk and he replaced them in Logue town. He replaced yubashiri because it was broken, he replaced shuisui because the hiyori wanted it back since it's a national treasure, he was offered Enma in exchange for it. You see what I'm getting at? He didn't change swords because he needed a power up, he did it cause he had no choice.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

I didnt write this manga. Hype isn't a question of rank. I told you. You dont read.
Which sword has it own chapter Name between those three sword ?
Isn't Enma.
Which one was introduced 3 chapter between his first appearance ?
Enma again.

Hell even luffy's gear weren't introduced 3 chapter before they appearance (except g3 I guess).
How could you have more hype than this.
Why do you avoid all those stuffs Oda has staged ? Is it because it doesn't follow your opinion.




Headcannon=/ hypothesis.



The whole staging of Enma puts him higher than Shusui. Same with Warlord.
We know which one is stronger than another one because of how Oda staged them.
It's a basis in Shonen. You should really read more shonen. It will help you to understand what I said.
So know Enma sucking Zoro ryou isn't a drawback ? Lmao.



Headcannon. How do you know if Zoro become weaker or not when he let down Enma.

Bro your the one saying he gets weaker without Enma. Raid Suit is a power up. When Sanji takes it off, He losses Speed,Durability, Attack power, and conserving his energy flying. I think when Zoro picks up Shisui he the same strength. None of his stats change. Anything he can do with Enma he can do with Shisui because Enma is not the stronger Sword.

I know you didn't write the manga lol rank can be a part of hype. You don't read. Having a chapter nane after you doesn't mean anything regarding strength .
Enma was talked about 1st because thats the Sword Zoro was getting. Then when we actually see the Swords, they hype both swords together. They both literally did the exact sane thing. Literally noting puts it above. Stop with your headcannon nonesense.

No thats your headcannon i don't want no "maybe"

Noting in the story says Enma is above Shisui. In fact Wano citzens have Shisui in a higher regard then Enma. I read Shonen and it seems your using your headcannon with no proof whatsoever.